*The Mayflower Compact*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. What was done was *EVIL*.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. *Quick lets kill the son, and his inheritance will be all ours*
2. *EVIL* does this.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[The Irish Ram]

no ram, we've never been 4th century christians and as I already mentioned you will be hard spent proving your case using recorded history that is not written by your granddaddy and village priest ...

The clerk kept records, not granddaddy or the priest. The priest kept church records. And if the record said granddaddy Mayflower killed the Indian and stole his land, you would be all over it and the record's validity. You just don't like the fact that it goes against your bullshit narrative.

And, yes, bodecea the very same Pilgrims that signed the Compact being discussed in the OP...

 

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A people without a heritage are easily persuaded. ~Karl Marx

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. The USA heritage is land stealing.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Gemme more, more, more...
2. Indians out there ah hell kill em!
3. Or they can fucking leave the area.
4. Its another day of learning for most of you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Grumblenuts]

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[BreezeWood]

The clerk kept records, not granddaddy or the priest. The priest kept church records. And if the record said granddaddy Mayflower killed the Indian and stole his land, you would be all over it and the record's validity. You just don't like the fact that it goes against your bullshit narrative.

And, yes, bodecea the very same Pilgrims that signed the Compact being discussed in the OP...

what narrative is that ram, yours - how the early settlers bought land from the Indians - kumbaya ... and lived happily ever after.

 

[The Irish Ram]

What the hell are you talking about, BreezeWood? My information comes from the records of the time. It is THEIR narrative.
We are talking about the signers of the Mayflower Compact and its ramifications.

 

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You might want to start with William Bradford's diaries.

I lived next door to a Bradford family who were proud descendants of William.

 

[BreezeWood]

What the hell are you talking about, BreezeWood? My information comes from the records of the time. It is THEIR narrative.
We are talking about the signers of the Mayflower Compact and its ramifications.

You just don't like the fact that it goes against your bullshit narrative.

what narrative is that ram, yours - how the early settlers bought land from the Indians - kumbaya ... and lived happily ever after.

Over the course of nearly three centuries, the terms “removal,” “displacement,” and “cession” came to be used by European settlers. Native peoples were to be “removed” from the lands they had occupied, “displaced” to other lands, and their lands “ceded” to the newcomers. Finally, Indian tribes were forcibly “settled” on “reservations,” lands set apart.

the fancy relief for its cover is only as appealing till you read the first page, c bible - the same for those that have used it throughout history for one purpose or another and as history records never as an avenue to paradise.

history is not your calling, ram.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I lived next door to a Bradford family who were proud descendants of William.

Did they let you read old William's diaries?

 

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Sorry bout that,

1. Gemme more, more, more...
2. Indians out there ah hell kill em!
3. Or they can fucking leave the area.
4. Its another day of learning for most of you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Is this the playbook you are following?

1. de-MORALIZE
2. destabilize
3. crisis
4. normalization

You are on step #1.

 

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Did they let you read old William's diaries?

They didn’t say anything about it. WhT about the diary are you talking about?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They didn’t say anything about it. WhT about the diary are you talking about?

William Bradford writes extensively about the close friendly relationship the new settlers had with the natives. He and a native man named Squanto who spoke English became as close as brothers. Their relationship lasted throughout their lives. No one slaughtered the natives, nor stole their land.

While later arrivals did have confrontations, it was certainly not those that signed the Mayflower Compact.

 

[...]

William Bradford writes extensively about the close friendly relationship the new settlers had with the natives. He and a native man named Squanto who spoke English became as close as brothers. Their relationship lasted throughout their lives. No one slaughtered the natives, nor stole their land.

While later arrivals did have confrontations, it was certainly not those that signed the Mayflower Compact.

Yeah, I saw a documentary on that, you're right. The "clearances" came later.

 

[bodecea]

Just hate the truth don't you. Some white people show up in a ship and buy some land from the Indians and you intend to vilify them, because, you know, white. Sadly, the Indian my grandfather bought land from was butchered. By Indians.

Regards,
The Truth.

Do you sell air? Because to Native Americans, land was not sellable. Anytime they "sold" land to Europeans, they either didn't get the concept of now they couldn't "trespass" or else they thought they were swindling the Europeans.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

One of the main causes of conflict between the settlers and whites was the Indian practice of selling the tribal land of other tribes. The worst transgressors were the Iroquois who routinely "sold" the tribal land of other tribes. The settlers moved in assured of peace. The tribes who really had an interest in that land attacked to drive the trespassers out. The beginning of conflict. Much of this was settled by grumbling and paying twice, the rightful owners the second time.

Even with all this conflict going on, the serious atrocities didn't begin until the French Indian War of 1752. Both the British and the French paid Indian tribes to slaughter the people loyal to opposing crowns. Now you see whites massacre entire villages and forcing Indians off their land. As well as Indians wiping out white settlements. This is the wars that you are attributing to the earliest settlers,

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Anyway you look at it, in the end, the Indians get fucked over.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[The Irish Ram]

Over the course of nearly three centuries, the terms “removal,” “displacement,” and “cession” came to be used by European settlers. Native peoples were to be “removed” from the lands they had occupied, “displaced” to other lands, and their lands “ceded” to the newcomers. Finally, Indian tribes were forcibly “settled” on “reservations,” lands set apart.

the fancy relief for its cover is only as appealing till you read the first page, c bible - the same for those that have used it throughout history for one purpose or another and as history records never as an avenue to paradise.

history is not your calling, ram.

Reading must not be yours. Is this thread about the Mayflower Compact? Which of the signers forced Indians to move to a reservation?