The "Make Billionaires Pay Act" by Crazy Bernie & Gruesome Gillibrand imposes a one-time 60% tax on wealth gains made by billionaires during corona

Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.

 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity

Roughly 3 out of 4 American billionaires have seen a rise in their net worths. Elon Musk alone has tripled his net worth during the pandemic.

So you are crying about taxing Elon Musk 27 billion? Are you retarded?

I'm a fan of Tesla but has Musk made a profit on anything yet?
Elon has tripled his net worth since Corona. TRIPLED. Wake up middle class Americ


You're fighting us liberals meanwhile the billionaires are WINNING.

Citizens United is another bad move towards the rich controlling our government with their influence. No one can defend this can they?
Apparently, Elon is a better salesman than you.
And Billionaires should be taxed more. I don't even think they care. Only you right wing cons want to protect/defend their fortunes. Even when that means eventually they'll have to raise your taxes and cut your social security/Medicare.
I like Bernie Sanders plan...
Tax business at 75% if they off-shore and/or use Business Visas.
Do you agree?
Yes

No. Typical lefty, taxation as punishment, not taxation as a funding source.
Business entities that contribute to US unemployment should be punished.

What about a government that contributes to unemployment by continuing to allow low skilled labor to flood the market?
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity

Roughly 3 out of 4 American billionaires have seen a rise in their net worths. Elon Musk alone has tripled his net worth during the pandemic.

So you are crying about taxing Elon Musk 27 billion? Are you retarded?

I'm a fan of Tesla but has Musk made a profit on anything yet?
Elon has tripled his net worth since Corona. TRIPLED. Wake up middle class Americ


You're fighting us liberals meanwhile the billionaires are WINNING.

Citizens United is another bad move towards the rich controlling our government with their influence. No one can defend this can they?
Apparently, Elon is a better salesman than you.
And Billionaires should be taxed more. I don't even think they care. Only you right wing cons want to protect/defend their fortunes. Even when that means eventually they'll have to raise your taxes and cut your social security/Medicare.
I like Bernie Sanders plan...
Tax business at 75% if they off-shore and/or use Business Visas.
Do you agree?
Yes

No. Typical lefty, taxation as punishment, not taxation as a funding source.
Ok then only give tax breaks to companies who don't offshore. Better?

How about instead of taxing everyone who doesn't vote, give a tax break to everyone who does?

How about we just tax X% of everyone's income and call it a day?
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity

Roughly 3 out of 4 American billionaires have seen a rise in their net worths. Elon Musk alone has tripled his net worth during the pandemic.

So you are crying about taxing Elon Musk 27 billion? Are you retarded?

I'm a fan of Tesla but has Musk made a profit on anything yet?
Elon has tripled his net worth since Corona. TRIPLED. Wake up middle class Americ


You're fighting us liberals meanwhile the billionaires are WINNING.

Citizens United is another bad move towards the rich controlling our government with their influence. No one can defend this can they?
Apparently, Elon is a better salesman than you.
And Billionaires should be taxed more. I don't even think they care. Only you right wing cons want to protect/defend their fortunes. Even when that means eventually they'll have to raise your taxes and cut your social security/Medicare.
I like Bernie Sanders plan...
Tax business at 75% if they off-shore and/or use Business Visas.
Do you agree?
Yes

No. Typical lefty, taxation as punishment, not taxation as a funding source.

What a cop out.

What cop out? It's a purely "we wants your monies" grab.

How about make the tax system here more fair so people won't legally try to avoid paying them via methods like this?

People aren't interested in a "fair" tax. They are interested in no tax. Just like Amazon.

Only an idiot would pay more than they have to, unless they are tipping and trying to impress some chick with a big rack.
 
Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.

Bezos earns his money; Gates does not.
Most of the billionaires off-shore and use Business Visas.
Those who employ US citizens don’t annoy me.
 
After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Elon Musk owns about $88 billion in Tesla stock.

Did he "take that out of the economy"? Did he impoverish the rest of us? How did he do it?
 
Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.


The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA),

Bullshit. Reagan didn't double the FICA tax.

and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Geez, I thought Hartmann was a moron, thanks for posting the proof.
Before Reagan, what was the Trust Fund invested in? DURR
 
Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.



Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they’re still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

Ummmm.....the top corporate tax rate in 1951 was 51% on income over $25,000.
In 1983, the top rate was 46% on income over $100,000.
Doesn't sound like they were "cut so severely", eh?

Why is Thom Hartmann such a twat?
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity

Roughly 3 out of 4 American billionaires have seen a rise in their net worths. Elon Musk alone has tripled his net worth during the pandemic.

So you are crying about taxing Elon Musk 27 billion? Are you retarded?

I'm a fan of Tesla but has Musk made a profit on anything yet?
Elon has tripled his net worth since Corona. TRIPLED. Wake up middle class Americ


You're fighting us liberals meanwhile the billionaires are WINNING.

Citizens United is another bad move towards the rich controlling our government with their influence. No one can defend this can they?
Apparently, Elon is a better salesman than you.
And Billionaires should be taxed more. I don't even think they care. Only you right wing cons want to protect/defend their fortunes. Even when that means eventually they'll have to raise your taxes and cut your social security/Medicare.
I like Bernie Sanders plan...
Tax business at 75% if they off-shore and/or use Business Visas.
Do you agree?
Yes

No. Typical lefty, taxation as punishment, not taxation as a funding source.

What a cop out.

What cop out? It's a purely "we wants your monies" grab.

How about make the tax system here more fair so people won't legally try to avoid paying them via methods like this?

People aren't interested in a "fair" tax. They are interested in no tax. Just like Amazon.

Only an idiot would pay more than they have to, unless they are tipping and trying to impress some chick with a big rack.

What they "have to" is what is in question.
 
Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.



Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they’re still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

Ummmm.....the top corporate tax rate in 1951 was 51% on income over $25,000.
In 1983, the top rate was 46% on income over $100,000.
Doesn't sound like they were "cut so severely", eh?

Why is Thom Hartmann such a twat?

What has happened to the debt is nice then?
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity

Roughly 3 out of 4 American billionaires have seen a rise in their net worths. Elon Musk alone has tripled his net worth during the pandemic.

So you are crying about taxing Elon Musk 27 billion? Are you retarded?

I'm a fan of Tesla but has Musk made a profit on anything yet?
Elon has tripled his net worth since Corona. TRIPLED. Wake up middle class Americ


You're fighting us liberals meanwhile the billionaires are WINNING.

Citizens United is another bad move towards the rich controlling our government with their influence. No one can defend this can they?
Apparently, Elon is a better salesman than you.
And Billionaires should be taxed more. I don't even think they care. Only you right wing cons want to protect/defend their fortunes. Even when that means eventually they'll have to raise your taxes and cut your social security/Medicare.
I like Bernie Sanders plan...
Tax business at 75% if they off-shore and/or use Business Visas.
Do you agree?
Yes

No. Typical lefty, taxation as punishment, not taxation as a funding source.

What a cop out.

What cop out? It's a purely "we wants your monies" grab.

How about make the tax system here more fair so people won't legally try to avoid paying them via methods like this?

People aren't interested in a "fair" tax. They are interested in no tax. Just like Amazon.

Only an idiot would pay more than they have to, unless they are tipping and trying to impress some chick with a big rack.

What they "have to" is what is in question.

Yeah, lets tax them 100% and make all the monies!!!!!

LOLOLGFY
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity
There just isn't that much wealth at the top. It would cost untold trillions to give free housing and healthcare to all and to implement the green new deal. You would only get a small fraction of that if you tried to confiscate ALL the wealth from the people at the top, and you could only do it once.

1. They would see it coming and move their money, and perhaps themselves, to another, friendlier nation that would welcome them and their wealth with open arms.
2. Once you've confiscated all the wealth, there's no more to confiscate and you're relegated to hitting the middle class, who always ends up getting hit anyway. This is the inevitable result of all socialistic schemes, they run out of other peoples' money, usually pretty quickly and poverty ensues for all but the Bernies at the top.
 
Meanwhile since this attitude (started with Reagan) our infrastructure is crumbling.

Which crumbling infrastructure should the feds repair, which should state and local governments fix?
States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure. But instead billionaires don't pay taxes anymore so now it's up to the people (you and me) to pay more taxes to fund the infrastructure.

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you, stupid.

States used to get money from the Federal Government to help with infrastructure.

Any specifics? All infrastructure?
A portion of the money? All of it?

So they shifted the tax burden from Musk to you

Musk doesn't pay taxes? Never ever?
He pays significantly less today than he did in 2015. Not enough. Clearly look at the debt.
Bezos has contributed to US and Global employment.
I don't give a fuck. That's just the right wing argument for why billionaires don't pay their fair share of taxes. I know you think they pay "plenty" of taxes. And they pay more taxes in a day than I will in a lifetime. So what? We need it.


After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.




JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe "Voodoo economics" candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan's tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.


The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA),

Bullshit. Reagan didn't double the FICA tax.

and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Geez, I thought Hartmann was a moron, thanks for posting the proof.
Before Reagan, what was the Trust Fund invested in? DURR
Who's lying you or Hartmann?



The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.



What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

I could either take your word for it or these sources. You've provided nothing.

The 1980s tax increases are less well-known, in part because they didn't involve increases in individual income tax rates. The biggest, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982, increased revenue mainly by tightening up rules on depreciation, leasing, contract accounting and investment tax credits. The Social Security Amendments of 1983 sped up planned increases in payroll tax rates, among other things. The Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 changed rules on interest exclusions, income averaging and such. The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 closed a few loopholes and extended a telephone excise tax. And the Tax Reform Act of 1986, while it lowered the top individual income tax rate to 28 percent from 50 percent, contained enough offsetting changes that, for the first two years after enactment, it raised tax revenue.
 
In 1983 Reagan instituted a payroll tax increase on Social Security and Medicare hospital insurance. In 1984 another bill was introduced that closed tax loopholes. According to tax historian Joseph Thorndike, the bills of 1982 and 1984 "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime".

With the help of Alan Greenspan, Reagan pulled off one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated against the American people.


Instead of being a proud day for America, April 20, 1983, has become a day of shame. The Social Security Amendments of 1983 laid the foundation for 30-years of federal embezzlement of Social Security money in order to use the money to pay for wars, tax cuts and other government programs.

The payroll tax hike of 1983 generated a total of $2.7 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue. This surplus revenue was supposed to be saved and invested in marketable U.S. Treasury bonds that would be held in the trust fund until the baby boomers began to retire in about 2010. But not one dime of that money went to Social Security.





I think it's you who's lying. Or ignorant.
 
Here’s how much these billionaires would pay under Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Make Billionaires Pay Act”:
-Jeff Bezos $42.8B
-Elon Musk $27.5B
-Mark Zuckerberg $22.8B


Stop saying “we can’t afford” Homes for All, Green New Deal or Medicare for All.

If we didn't spend trillions on endless wars and tax breaks for millionaires, we could afford to house our homeless, care for our seniors, and save our planet.

We suffer from greed, not scarcity
There just isn't that much wealth at the top. It would cost untold trillions to give free housing and healthcare to all and to implement the green new deal. You would only get a small fraction of that if you tried to confiscate ALL the wealth from the people at the top, and you could only do it once.

1. They would see it coming and move their money, and perhaps themselves, to another, friendlier nation that would welcome them and their wealth with open arms.
2. Once you've confiscated all the wealth, there's no more to confiscate and you're relegated to hitting the middle class, who always ends up getting hit anyway. This is the inevitable result of all socialistic schemes, they run out of other peoples' money, usually pretty quickly and poverty ensues for all but the Bernies at the top.
Bullshit. There are a lot of guys like my brother who make over $400,000 a year. And a lot of them don't mind a little tax hike. They're pretty confident people. But these broke Republicans make every argument why they should pay less not more. Meanwhile we're broke and need to fix our roads.
 
Right, like I should feel sorry for billionaires like Bezos who only get to keep $40 BILLION DOLLARS instead of something like $70 billion. Such poor poor poor billionaires!

Why do you think you' or anyone else is entitled to someone else's work and dreams?

This should be interesting

What makes you think you or anyone else is entitled to use and benefit from the infrastructures and markets of America, built by the blood and sweat of its citizens through over 200 years without paying your fair share of taxes?

What uneducated remark will you be coming back with? - This should be disgusting.

You nor anyyone else is entitled.

Embrace capitalism, make something of yourself instead of expecting to be taken care of. All those infrastructures and markets are available for you also....unless you're too stupid or lazy to make your own way

My guess is the stupid part

And dumb drooling idiots like you always fall back to the rhetoric spoon fed to you by the rich. Did a billionaire like ugly Trump work a 1000 times harder or a 1000 times smarter than an average plumber Joe? Of course not, that would be impossible. His wealth was entirely determined by how much his daddy gave him to start with. Wealth determines wealth, and dumb drooling working class Republicans don't see that they are being used as slaves.
TRUMP! employs thousands of people. Instead of being idle, he put the money he had to work paying people, building things and moving goods. If you don't like it that he made a lot of money by doing so, complain at the people he hired and paid to do constructive work. I prefer his approach to Paris Hilton's because he puts a lot of people to work, but I even like hers, because she can pump more money into the economy on a single shopping trip than I do in 6 months. And I begrudge neither for their wealth.
 

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