The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

Radio waves, particularly this in the GHz range of cell phones skip around and are reflected, refracted, and diverted in all directions, even directly outside of their antenna propagation design.

Cell towers aren’t designed to provide the strongest signal in an upward direction, but signal can and do propagate up and calls can be made.
Cell towers were designed for users on the ground. Yes, even in the old analog days cell phone calls could be made from aircraft flying low and slow, but they never lasted more than a few minutes or less, even in the low and slow helicopter I was flying in those days. Yes, you might connect, but in our case, if you were above 1500 feet the phones displayed NO SERVICE.

Fast high flying jets could not make calls.
 
Cell towers were designed for users on the ground. Yes, even in the old analog days cell phone calls could be made from aircraft flying low and slow, but they never lasted more than a few minutes or less, even in the low and slow helicopter I was flying in those days. Yes, you might connect, but in our case, if you were above 1500 feet the phones displayed NO SERVICE.

Fast high flying jets could not make calls.
All of the planes were below 1500 feet when they crashed. You could also make calls on an intermittent basis at altitude.
 
i just found this site by accident. I am sure you know all about this demolition expert who when shown footage of bld 7 the crux of the 9/11 coverup that explosives indeed brought the towers down when not knowing it was a bld in new york or that it happened on 9/11 he said that it indeed had the earmarks of a controlled demolition which is supported by witness testimonys as well. he of course died conveinetely a few months later after doing a public speaking engagement after he said that,

“It starts from below… They have simply blown away columns.”

“This is controlled demolition.”

“A team of experts did this.”


These startling words, spoken by controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko in 2006, ignited an international discussion over the destruction of WTC Building 7, and added to the professional voices at AE911Truth who have challenged the official explanation. As we mourn Jowenko’s tragic death on July 16, we look back at how his impromptu interview shed light onto one of the greatest mysteries of the 9/11 catastrophe.

Jowenko was the owner of Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie, a controlled demolitions company headquartered in the Netherlands. He had over 30 years of building demolition experience, and his knowledge of explosives was so respected that he was sought as a contributor to the ImplosionWorld production of “A History of Structural Demolition in America”.

In September 2006, Jowenko was interviewed by a Dutch filmmaker, who presented him with footage of the destruction of WTC Building 7. It only took a few moments for Jowenko to conclude that it was the result of a controlled demolition. “This is professional work, without any doubt,” he said.

When Jowenko was told that the building was brought down on 9/11, he sat in amazement. “Are you sure it was the 11th?”, he skeptically asked. “That can’t be.”




this is a great thread to add to this thread of yours as well which also backs you up with some excellent information in it also.:thup:

the paid shills are desperately calling their handlers asking them what they want them to post on your thread now.:abgg2q.jpg:


the paid shills like admiral rockwell,candyass and the NON person computer BOT soupnazi,they can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey trolls they are.:auiqs.jpg:
Trollboy stryder CONSTANTLY proves in spades he is incapabale of standing toe to toe in a debate that demolitions brought down the towers the fact he does this- :scared1:EVERYTIME when challenged to debunk the two links here i posted in this thread of credible witnesses saying they heard explosives as well as a VERY EXPERIENCED demolition expert saying bld 7 had the footprints of a controlled demolition.
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i had HOPES he would stop acting like a a child by dismissing these facts as fake news and try and disprove them like the trollboy he is sense unlike candyas and admiral rockwell is not a paid shill from langley like those two are, soupnazi doesnt count though him not even being a person the fact he is a bot.

should have known better,only an idiot would STILL all these years dimiss these pesky facts on mass murderer reagan how he was the president who got the ball rolling for the destruction of america,cant reason with the reaganut worshippers so they are as impossible to deall with as langley trolls like candyass and admiral rockwell are.
 
Review the photographs entered into evidence in the Mousaui (sp?) case. Pictures of the debris you're looking for were presented by federal prosecutors to the jury..

Bodies:
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Wheel Assemblies:
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Another body:
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Flight 93 Wheel assembly:
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Again, all of this was used in the 20th hijacker's trial. If you're going to question the veracity of the photos, good luck. You'll fail...as you have for 25 years now. That must suck.

Now be a good boy and answer my questions about the light poles.
No,... It doesn't suck at all. And that "boy",..... You'll find in your pants. Maybe You could sue somebody for the "Genetic Deficiency"?

Those parts were questioned
, but I'll get to it later.

"Boy",....Let's start with how an Air liner allegedly hit the building, & instead of the Plane's wings, & engines having made visible damage to the face of the building to the left & right of the Naval Intelligence Office,.... Everything just folded up on impact & entered the area of the Naval Intelligence Office only.

Again, I'm having issues getting my "Favorites"/Folders straightened out, and upon accomplishing that, I'll be able to provide a huge amount of data about 9-11. But I did find these pics. Point out to me Obvious damage from the Wings & Engines.

By the way,..... If Physics, & Engineers prove that Air Liners upon impact do not fold up in to their selves, ..... Then any "Evidence" presented from inside of the building would be "Planted Evidence" wouldn't it?:





he way I see it,.....
 

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A Massive amount of Data, from many, many sources, absolutely shows what The American people, & The World, were told about what happened on "9-11", was, & is a Horrific Lie, that led to Undeclared, & Unceasing War, Countless numbers of lives lost, & injured, "Trillions of Dollars Wasted", as well as the empowerment of "The Police State" in America, and many other nations.

I'm starting this post out with what the "New York Fire Commissioners" presented to The Public. Which The First Trump Administration "stonewalled", via Attorney General Barr, over "Procedural matters".


Ya'll, Jet Air Liners do not disintegrate upon impacting buildings such as the Pentagon, nor when crashing in to the ground!

The Plane to Ground, Cell phone call, which brought about the famous "Let's Roll!", was not possible until several years after 9-11.

No Plane crashed in to Building Seven, nor did WTC1, nor WTC2 collapse on it.

British News showed "Building 7" collapsing minutes before it actually did.

These are just a few examples of the Data that I will be posting herein. And I say again,.... The American People & The World were lied to.

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New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: “Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives”​

Date: July 30, 2019

"
History was made this month in regard to 9/11
ir
as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”


On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department serving a hamlet of 30,000 residents just outside of Queens, New York, became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11, according to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.


The resolution calling for a new investigation was drafted by Commissioner Christopher Gioia and it was immediately and unanimously approved by the five commissioners."


The government (whether run by Demicans or Republicrats) is very good at one thing and one thing only. Lying! They all feel a need to lie about anything and everything. I don't know if there's ever been a transparent and honest American government since George Washington took office.
 
TruthSeeker112125 ; you'll have to forgive LA Ram ***; I've kicked his ass up one side and down the other of two message boards now.

But here is his chance to explain the light poles...

what brought them down if it wasn't AA77?

Why would the plotters include them when they didn't have to?

Why would they bother with one hitting Lloyd Englande's cab when they didn't need to do that either?

He'll hurl more half baked obscenities and allegations but he'll never answer the question. Put bluntly; he's not man enough to do it.
Candycorn, for the moment I'll not get deeply involved in the relationship that You & LA RAM are having.

As far as the "Light poles", there are many means to bring one, or many down, & it doesn't necessarily have to be a Jet Air Liner Problem is what are the Engineering Specifications for those "Poles"? What are they made of? What is the shear point for those "Poles"/ Then consideration has to be given to the "Plane",....Judging from the alleged ability of the plane to collapse into itself, & then Tunnel into the Pentagon,.. How many light poles were bent to at least a 45 degree angle?
 
The twin towers were built before the PC-Personal Computer boom occurred. Hence the electrical supply was under-built. PCs upped the electrical demand way beyond electric calculators and type-writers, so there was constant upgrade, rewiring, additional transformers and junction boxes, etc.Why workers were often seen carrying in "boxes" and "cable"; electrical gear, not explosives.:rolleyes:

Many conspiracy buffs pedal this as being explosives for demolition purpose. (Place for a "fake news" if ever) It was electrical overloading from damage done by the aircraft impacts and resulting fires that started to set of/explode some of the transformers and junction boxes. As the buildings began to collapse there are various energy forces from compression that will also set off "banging~exploding" sounds.

Outer steel framing carried much of the structural load of the towers. Once fires produced enough heat to soften that steel and it started to bend outward under weight load, the shelf tabs that the slab floors rested on pulled away and no longer were there to hold the floors up. Once a floor falls onto the one below, the domino effect goes into play as weight and momentum via gravity does it's thing. The outer steel support frame also starts to peel away.

All the buildings shared a common foundation and basement floors so they were structurally linked. Collapse enough basement under one and the others will also be stressed, lose support, and collapse.

NOTE:, this board only allows two negative response to posts, "fake news" and "disagree" and often neither would be correct or desired, but are the only ones available. I don't feel completed to explain negative reps anymore than I do positive ones (for which there are at least five choices), nor will I repeat myself too often, especially when so few will likely read anyway.

The crying baby at end of your post suits your content and temperament correctly.

If you want more response out of me, my pay rate is $100 per hour, two hour minimum, cashier check or money order, paid in advance; I'll post after the funds clear the bank.
" The twin towers were built before the PC-Personal Computer boom occurred. Hence the electrical supply was under-built. PCs upped the electrical demand way beyond electric calculators and type-writers, so there was constant upgrade, rewiring, additional transformers and junction boxes, etc"
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The National Electrical Codes drastically changed after the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire in 1977, & that applied to Residential, Commercial, & Industrial. All Places of "Public Assembly" were & are required to have at least 3 sets of Blue Prints, that specify every detail involved in any Electrical, Plumbing, & HVAC Work performed, & that Work has to be Inspected from the 'Rough-in Stage" to the "Final Stage"

Perhaps You can provide the Series of Permit Numbers, as well as the Noted Inspections regarding these Workers carrying in tool boxes etc.?
 
The government (whether run by Demicans or Republicrats) is very good at one thing and one thing only. Lying! They all feel a need to lie about anything and everything. I don't know if there's ever been a transparent and honest American government since George Washington took office.
AMEN SAXON!!
 
Please document in incontestable evidence this claim of Building 7 "collapsing a short time before it actually did".

BBC Reported Building 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell​

by theshowpodcast.com

Publication date 2007 Topics infowars,theshow,showpodcast,theshowpodcast,news,911,wtc7,building7,building 7,bbc Item Size 247.0M


Revealing, shocking video shows reporter talking about collapse with WTC 7 still standing in background, Google removes clip

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet
Tuesday, February 27, 2007 (UPDATED 5:36AM CST)


RELATED: After This Fiasco, How Can We Trust Anything They Told Us About 9/11?

An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.

Minutes before the actual collapse of the building is due, the feed to the reporter mysteriously dies.
 

A Massive amount of Data, from many, many sources, absolutely shows what The American people, & The World, were told about what happened on "9-11", was, & is a Horrific Lie, that led to Undeclared, & Unceasing War, Countless numbers of lives lost, & injured, "Trillions of Dollars Wasted", as well as the empowerment of "The Police State" in America, and many other nations.

I'm starting this post out with what the "New York Fire Commissioners" presented to The Public. Which The First Trump Administration "stonewalled", via Attorney General Barr, over "Procedural matters".


Ya'll, Jet Air Liners do not disintegrate upon impacting buildings such as the Pentagon, nor when crashing in to the ground!

The Plane to Ground, Cell phone call, which brought about the famous "Let's Roll!", was not possible until several years after 9-11.

No Plane crashed in to Building Seven, nor did WTC1, nor WTC2 collapse on it.

British News showed "Building 7" collapsing minutes before it actually did.

These are just a few examples of the Data that I will be posting herein. And I say again,.... The American People & The World were lied to.

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New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: “Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives”​

Date: July 30, 2019

"
History was made this month in regard to 9/11
ir
as New York area fire commissioners called for a new investigation into the tragic events that unfolded that day. The resolution called for a new investigation due to the “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”


On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department serving a hamlet of 30,000 residents just outside of Queens, New York, became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11, according to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.


The resolution calling for a new investigation was drafted by Commissioner Christopher Gioia and it was immediately and unanimously approved by the five commissioners."


It has been a while since i last posted, but let me give you a couple of theories on why 9/11 happened.
Lets go back to Aug 1987 where i was in the 1st Tac Ftr Wing and had to go to the most northern tip of Denmark, as this was practice for a Soviet Invasion. Fast forward to Apr 1988, where suddenly my wing was practicing a new tactic for desert warfare. WTF. We werent having a war in any desert at the time, but right after that, i left the Air Force with 9 1/2 years. Fast forward to 1991 first jets to touch down in Dahran for Gulf War 1 was my unit from the 1st Tac. George Bush, establshment republican and friend of Saddam Hussain through the CIA and war with Iran, allowed Saddam to invade Kuwait because that country used to be part of Iraq, but told Saddam do not invade Saudi Arabia. Saddam seeing George as weak, went into Saudi and this gave George an excuse to use our new tanks, jets and other war machines, finding out many were not set up for desert warfare. So after two weeks the US was at the borders of Iraq, ready to blow Bagdad to smitherines, yet the UN told George to back off. End of Gulf War 1. Now the really evil plan by his son George the 43. The war machine was hungry, it was 10 years since the last time the US was in battle and with the modifications to the tanks, jets and other war machines, they needed to be tested once again. So George 43 brought the Royal Family to the US, and with the help of the CIA brought down the towers in NY and the attack on the pentagon, all because what are a few lives, for the advancement of progressivism, This one picture says it all, about Establishment Republicans and Democrats, they arent our friends.

Just keep smiling and waving, they will never find out.
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Please document in incontestable evidence this claim of Building 7 "collapsing a short time before it actually did".
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How Did They Know? Examining the Foreknowledge of Building 7's Destruction​

Dennis McMahon November 1, 2012
WTC Building 7, also known as the Salomon Brothers Building or WTC 7, was a 47–story skyscraper that was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, Building 7 would have been the tallest high–rise in thirty–three of our United States. Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker,” along with several major financial institutions.

Building 7, which was 100 yards from the Twin Towers, was not hit by an airplane on September 11, 2001, and suffered only minimal damage from debris falling from the North Tower. Several fires began burning on a few floors, and the entire building completely collapsed – almost into its own footprint – at 5:20 p.m. Numerous eyewitnesses, including members of the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) and other first responders, and multiple news sources, made statements that indicate that there was foreknowledge that WTC 7 was going to come down, despite the fact that no skyscraper in history had ever completely collapsed due to fire.

Where foreknowledge of an extremely unusual event is demonstrated, the possibility must be considered that the foreknowledge derived directly or indirectly from those who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself. Thus, if foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7 can be shown, this would be a strong indication that Building 7 was subjected to controlled demolition, and that advance warning of Building 7’s demise derived ultimately from those who intended to bring the building down. Thus, foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7 is not only consistent with, but supportive of, the controlled demolition hypothesis.

Certainty

To worry that a damaged building might collapse in some fashion is one thing. But to be certain that it will collapse is another. A detailed study of the FDNY accounts by 9/11 researcher Graeme MacQueen shows that more than half of those who received warnings of WTC 7’s collapse (where a degree of certainty can be determined from the reports) were certain or were told with certainty that Building 7 was coming down. (The figures calculate to 31 out of 58. See MacQueen’s report “Waiting for Seven…” at page 4.)

Early

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The FDNY spent the afternoon of 9/11 waiting for WTC 7's collapse.

If someone were observing the fires in WTC 7 and able to determine, in the last few moments of the building’s existence, that a peculiar set of circumstances was beginning to threaten the building, that would be one thing. But to receive warnings of the building’s collapse well before this set of circumstances arose raises suspicion. Yet, a detailed study of the FDNY reports shows that of the thirty-three cases where the time of warning can be determined, in ten cases warnings were received two or more hours in advance, and in six cases warnings were apparently received four or more hours in advance. (See MacQueen’s “Waiting for Seven…” at page 4.) In other words, the warnings came long before the unique set of circumstances had allegedly come together to cause the building’s collapse.

Precise warnings of collapse​

If the collapse warnings were derived from vague worries and concerns, as claimed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the warnings would not have been precise. A complete collapse, such as happened to WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 on 9/11, was unknown – unless the building was being brought down by controlled demolition. That is why FDNY member James McGlynn could say on 9/11, in reference to one of the Towers, “Any time I’ve heard of a collapse, it was never an entire building like this turned out to be.” (See MacQueen’s “Waiting for Seven‚” at page 21.) Nevertheless, somehow, many people knew in advance that WTC 7 would suffer an unprecedented collapse. Which begs the question, “How did they know?” Consider the following exchange from the FDNY oral histories:

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WTC 7 is seen from the north, where a safety zone was established in anticipation of the collapse.

Q. “Were you there when building 7 came down in the afternoon?”
A: “Yes”
Q. “You were still there?”
A. “Yes, so basically they measured out how far the building was going to come, so we knew exactly where we could stand.”
Q. “So they just put you in a safe area, safe enough for when that building came down?“
A. “Five blocks. Five blocks away. We still could see. Exactly right on point, the cloud stopped right there.”(See MacQueen’s “Waiting for Seven,” at page 8.)

It is quite remarkable that a debris cloud estimate could be so precise for a collapse that was supposedly caused by unforeseen and unplanned events. Had Building 7 “tipped over,” which would have been more realistic, given the structural damage that was supposed to be the reason for its collapse, the building could actually have ended up crushing several other tall buildings, creating a destruction zone much farther away from the building.

Building 7’s collapse reported​

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BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the destruction of WTC 7 before it collapsed – even though the building was still standing behind her.

In this BBC video, correspondent Jane Standley reports that Building 7 has collapsed; meanwhile, a fully intact Building 7 can actually be seen — still standing — behind her. Who fed this information to Standley? Apparently, someone who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, released that information to the media prematurely.

In another news clip, while Building 7 is seen standing fully erect and showing no signs of impending trauma, CNN’s Aaron Brown gives the following report: “We are getting information now that one of the other buildings, Building 7, in the World Trade Center complex, is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing…” Who is he “getting information” from? Again, it appears to be from someone who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, and who released that information to the media prematurely. Only such an individual could have expected Building 7 to come down.

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CNN’s Aaron Brown searches for WTC 7 in the New York skyline after reporting that it had collapsed an hour early.

In sum, both CNN and BBC did not merely report that WTC 7 was damaged or that it might collapse. Instead, they prematurely announced the actual collapse of Building 7. No satisfactory explanation has been given about these premature announcements, which were obviously based on data fed to the announcers, apparently by an unknown person or persons who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, and who bungled matters by releasing that information to the media prematurely.

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How did construction workers and police on the scene of WTC 7 that afternoon know that “The building is about to blow up”?

More evidence of foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7 is preserved in this video where an eyewitnesses can be heard saying: “Keep your eye on that building. It’ll be coming down soon.” And “The building is about to blow up. Move it back.” And also, “We are walking back. The building is about to blow up.”

These reports were later corroborated by first responder Indira Singh, who, in a radio interview about Building 7, revealed that the FDNY had stated that “We’re going to have to bring it down.“





Countdown…​

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First responder Kevin McPadden has provided key eyewitness evidence regarding the foreknowledge of WTC 7’s destruction.

The testimony of Kevin McPadden, an emergency medical technician and 9/11 first responder, is even more shocking. In a taped interview, McPadden indicated that there was an actual countdown preceding Building 7’s collapse:

“The Red Cross rep was like, he goes over and he says [to us], ‘You gotta stay behind this line because they’re thinking about bringing the building down.’…He goes over and he asks one of the…firefighters what was going on…He came back over with his hand over the radio and [you could hear] what sounded like a countdown. And, at the last few seconds, he took his hand off [the radio] and you heard ‘three-two-one,’ and he was just saying, ‘Just run for your life! Just run for your life!’ And then it was like another two, three seconds, you heard explosions. Like, BA-BOOOOOM! And it’s like a distinct sound…BA-BOOOOOM! And you felt a rumble in the ground, like, almost like you wanted to grab onto something. That, to me, I knew that was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind…”

NIST’s response to WTC 7 foreknowledge​

NIST has tried to evade the issue of foreknowledge of WTC 7’s collapse in its report on the building’s destruction by implying:

  1. that the FDNY, on the scene, saw the damage to the building caused by the collapse of WTC 1 and rationally concluded that WTC 7 might collapse; and
  2. that an engineer, early in the day, saw the damage to the building and concluded it might collapse passing on this assessment to others (as per NIST Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder, in a discussion with Graeme MacQueen on CKNX Radio, Wingham, Ontario, on Aug. 25, 2008).
It is true that damage to WTC 7 was directly witnessed by some firefighters and, apparently, led a few (about seven) of them to worry that the building might collapse. However, the great majority (approximately fifty) who were worried about collapse did not base this worry on the physical damage but on what they were told. (See MacQueen’s “Waiting for Seven,” at page 5.) Moreover, while an engineer may have communicated his opinion, early in the day, that the building might collapse, neither this communication nor communications from the FDNY is sufficient to explain all of the collective evidence indicating foreknowledge of Building 7’s collapse.

Individually, each of the factors discussed above indicates the possibility of foreknowledge of Building 7’s collapse: the certainty of Building 7’s impending collapse as expressed and memorialized in the FDNY oral histories, the early announcements made by the FDNY, the precise nature of the early announcements, CNN’s and the BBC’s premature reporting of Building 7’s collapse, and the actual countdown to Building 7’s demise. Collectively, these factors provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that this foreknowledge is most readily explained by the fact that Building 7 was brought down in an explosive controlled demolition carefully planned months in advance.


 
It has been a while since i last posted, but let me give you a couple of theories on why 9/11 happened.
Lets go back to Aug 1987 where i was in the 1st Tac Ftr Wing and had to go to the most northern tip of Denmark, as this was practice for a Soviet Invasion. Fast forward to Apr 1988, where suddenly my wing was practicing a new tactic for desert warfare. WTF. We werent having a war in any desert at the time, but right after that, i left the Air Force with 9 1/2 years. Fast forward to 1991 first jets to touch down in Dahran for Gulf War 1 was my unit from the 1st Tac. George Bush, establshment republican and friend of Saddam Hussain through the CIA and war with Iran, allowed Saddam to invade Kuwait because that country used to be part of Iraq, but told Saddam do not invade Saudi Arabia. Saddam seeing George as weak, went into Saudi and this gave George an excuse to use our new tanks, jets and other war machines, finding out many were not set up for desert warfare. So after two weeks the US was at the borders of Iraq, ready to blow Bagdad to smitherines, yet the UN told George to back off. End of Gulf War 1. Now the really evil plan by his son George the 43. The war machine was hungry, it was 10 years since the last time the US was in battle and with the modifications to the tanks, jets and other war machines, they needed to be tested once again. So George 43 brought the Royal Family to the US, and with the help of the CIA brought down the towers in NY and the attack on the pentagon, all because what are a few lives, for the advancement of progressivism, This one picture says it all, about Establishment Republicans and Democrats, they arent our friends.

Just keep smiling and waving, they will never find out.
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Mike, I first want to Thank You for Your Service to Our Country Sir!!!!

Secondly, I became a "Battered & Confused Republican" after the "Iran Contra-Affair", & especially when the Barracks of Marines stationed in Beirut Lebanon, as Peacekeepers was blown up, with POTUS Ronald Reagan basically doing nothing, & pulling Our Forces out the Peacekeeping Force.
Being a Veteran also, I wanted REVENGE, but that didn't happen. When I heard Bush Sr. give a speech before a joint session of Congress, where he invoked the "New World Order",..... I "Lost it", & Quit being a "Republican", but I became even more Conservative.

Mike,... I Absolutely Agree with All that You've Stated, & I say this "That War Machine is hungry again"!
 

Former Congressman Curt Weldon Resurfaces With Explosive Claims About 9/11 “Coverup”​


by Paul Dragu April 16, 2025

Former Congressman Curt Weldon Resurfaces With Explosive Claims About 9/11 “Coverup”
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Article audio sponsored by The John Birch Society



A former high-ranking congressman has resurfaced with explosive allegations about 9/11.

Curt Weldon, who represented the seventh district of Pennsylvania for two decades and served as the vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and the House Homeland Security Committee, claims that U.S. intelligence knew about terrorists’ plans to commit 9/11 a year prior and torpedoed his political career after learning that he was going to tell the public.

Weldon has appeared in multiple interview shows over the last few days, including Tucker Carlson’s, where the episode has garnered more than five million views as of Wednesday just on social-media platform X.







So either 9/11 was a scam or people knew about it beforehand? You’re a ******* loser man
 
My uncle owned a demolition company. I worked for him a while after I discharged from the army. I watched both buildings fall. I knew it was a lie from the get go. cellphone calls from 30,000 feet, kerosine melting steel, falling straight down, explosions going off in the buildings, bomb sniffing dogs pulled off three weeks before 9/11. Bush speech he gave on anyone who questioned his story saying, "you are either with us or against us". How every piece of evidence was hauled away and destroyed. I could write another couple of pages on the reasons it was in total bull shit. With all these democrats you can be sure a lot of Americans are too stupid to believe in science or their own eyes.
You’re an idiot.
 
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So either 9/11 was a scam or people knew about it beforehand? You’re a ******* loser man
First Tyrion234,...... I'm not gonna lower myself waaaay down to the level where You are, where it's common to use Vulgar Language to get a point across.

Secondly,..... Are You Illiterate, or is it that You just don't have time to Read Data,so instead You just run with the Common Narrative?

Or worse yet,..... You can't handle The Truth?
 
"Debris was found at both locations."

Identify that "Debris" candy.

Every Jet Air liner crash, prior to, and after 9-11 exhibited easily identifiable wreckage, and I'm speaking of Wings, Engines, Wheels/Wheel Assemblies, fuselage remnants, luggage and bodies.

No "Identifiable Wreckage" was found at the Pentagon, nor the Pennsylvania crash site.
Wrong

Ppenty of identifiable wreckage was found at both

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Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel​

Adam Taylor March 1, 2012
Popular Mechanics (PM) next turns to the issue of the plane impacts and fire damage and their roles in the WTC event.

Though PM acknowledges that the fires in the buildings could not have become hot enough to melt steel, the magazine nonetheless rehashes the argument from other defenders of the official story—namely, that the steel did not need to melt to cause collapse. According to PM, the steel only had to be weakened by the fires just enough to cause collapse.

PM argues that “When the planes hit the buildings and plowed into their centers, a large section of the exterior load-bearing columns as well as some crucial core columns were severed” (pg. 37-38). Though this may be true, the collapse of the Towers appears to have actually started at floors that had minimal structural damage.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">1</a>

PM also discusses the theory from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that “the impact stripped fireproofing insulation from the trusses that supported 80,000 square feet of floor space” (pg. 38).

This assertion, however, is greatly flawed, as noted by UL whistleblower Kevin Ryan:

[NIST's] test for fireproofing loss, never inserted in the draft reports, involved shooting a total of fifteen rounds from a shotgun at non-representative [structural steel] samples. . . . t's not hard to see that these tests actually disproved their findings. One reason is that there is no evidence that a Boeing 767 could transform into any number of shotgun blasts. Nearly 100,000 blasts would be needed based on NIST's own damage estimates, and these would have to be directed in a very symmetrical fashion to strip the columns and floors from all sides. However, it is much more likely that the aircraft debris was a distribution of sizes from very large chunks to a few smaller ones, and that it was directed asymmetrically.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">2</a>

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Photo from Ground Zero shows a portion of the airplane fuselage, which contradicts the framework of NIST's “shotgun test” for fireproofing loss in the Twin Towers.Ryan's assertion that “. . . aircraft debris was a distribution of sizes from very large chunks to a few smaller ones” is well grounded, as photographs show that large portions of the planes exited the Towers, and eyewitnesses who escaped from the Towers reported seeing intact portions of the plane in the building.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">3</a>

PM next goes on to discuss NIST's assertions that the fires in the buildings were sufficient to weaken the steel to the failure point. However, NIST's own tests show no evidence of this. While PM asserts in their book that “[steel] loses roughly 50 percent of its strength at approximately 600 degrees Celsius (1,100 Fahrenheit)” (pg. 38), NIST cites no evidence that the steel in the Towers sustained temperatures anywhere near this range. The highest temperatures NIST estimated for the steel samples was only 250 °C (482 °F), according to the metallographic paint tests they performed on WTC core column specimens.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">4</a>

PM attempts to make a case that the combination of the aircraft impacts and the ensuing fires were sufficient to cause both of the structures to collapse.

Conspiracy theorists point to other high-rise fires, such as the one in 1991 at the 38-story Meridian Plaza hotel in Philadelphia, as proof that fire alone cannot bring down a skyscraper. And, in a sense, they are right: Fire alone did not bring down the towers (pg. 40).

It is important to note that the term “conspiracy theorists” is a derogatory term used here to discredit the forensic evidence of controlled demolition brought forward by technical professionals. The experts at AE911Truth do not speculate on possible theories regarding who brought down the WTC skyscrapers.

In the case of Building 7, the NIST report tells us that structural damage played no role in initiating the collapse of the building, and that its collapse was due to “normal office fires.”<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">5</a>&nbsp;One then has to wonder why PM does not consider the 9/11 Truth Movement “in a sense right” about Building 7.

But that aside, it is important to quantify how the structural damage played a role in the collapse of the Towers. We previously noted that the collapse of the Towers started on floors with less damage than other floors. In the case of the North Tower, the collapse started at the 98th floor,<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">6</a> which had the least amount of structural damage out of all the damaged floors.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">7</a> Not only that, but the upper section of the North Tower started to collapse on the side of the building opposite to where the plane impacted.

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Impact zone of the North Tower (shown from the north side)
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Initiation of collapse of the North Tower (shown form the south side)

But PM notes other issues regarding the Towers' collapses, quoting structural engineer Jon Magnusson as saying:

[T]he impact struck out sprinklers and fireproofing, and the fire elevated the temperature of steel. Then you start to weaken the steel by heating it up (pg. 40).

As we have already seen, NIST has not provided evidence that demonstrates that the fires were hot enough to cause structural failure and collapse — nor that the fireproofing was widely dislodged. As for the sprinklers being “knocked out,” NIST doubts that the sprinklers would have done much to fight the fires.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">8</a>

PM provides the One Meridian Plaza building as an example that members of the 9/11 Truth Movement cite to demonstrate that fires have never brought down a steel-framed high-rise, but they provide very little information on the specifics of the incident. The One Meridian Plaza building burned for 18 hours over eight floors. This is a vastly more severe fire than the fires that would have existed in the Towers. (Remember that NIST acknowledges that the jet fuel was burned up after only about 10 minutes.) What's more, the Meridian building was also constructed similarly to the Twin Towers and Building 7, having a core and perimeter “tube within a tube” columnar structural system.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">9</a> This was also the case for the First Interstate Bank, a 62-story building in California, which burned for nearly four hours but did not collapse.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">10</a>

Melted Steel​

PM next addresses physics professor Dr. Steven Jones' findings regarding molten metal in the debris at Ground Zero, which Jones calls evidence of melted steel and/or iron. To counter his contention, PM's asserts that the fires in the debris piles cooked the steel and other metals to the point where they melted. They quote Jon Magnusson as saying:

When we're talking about the debris pile and the insulating effect, the fires down there are completely different than the factors [affecting the steel] in the building (pg. 41).

However, the idea that the molten metal could have somehow formed in the debris afterwards is actually addressed in Jones' paper:

Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to subterranean fires after the collapses.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">11</a>

PM provides no technical analysis in their book to show that the fires could have become hot enough to melt steel in the debris piles. The temperatures that existed in the debris piles were vastly hotter than what any sort of natural fire could have produced. In fact, the temperatures were evidently high enough:

  • To form Fe-O-S eutectic (with ~50 Mol % sulfur) in steel [1,000 °C (1,832 °F)]
  • To melt aluminosilicates (spherule formation) [1,450 °C (2,652 °F)]
  • To melt iron (III) oxide (spherule formation) [1,565 °C (2,849 °F)]
  • To vaporize lead [1,740 °C (3,164 °F)]
  • To melt molybdenum (spherule formation) [2,623 °C (4,753 °F)]
  • To vaporize aluminosilicates [2,760 °C (5,000 °F)]<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">12</a>
  • To melt concrete [1,760 °C (3,200 °F]
The conditions at Ground Zero simply could not have produced these types of temperatures.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">13</a> However, the extreme heat in the piles is indeed consistent with thermitic reactions.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">14</a>

In PM's next attempt to undermine the case for molten metal in the debris, they cite the analysis of Alan Pense, a professor of metallurgical engineering at Lehigh University. They quote Pense saying:

The photographs shown to support melting steel are, to me, either unconvincing . . . or show materials that appear to be other than steel. One of these photos appears to me to be mostly of glass with unmelted steel rods in it. Glass melts at much lower temperatures than steel (pg. 41).

First off, it is not clear from this statement which photograph Pense is referring to, though it's likely the popular “crane shot.”

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Regardless of whether the obvious molten material shown above is molten steel, iron, or even glass, its color indicates temperatures exceeding 2,300°F. The jet fuel and office fires in the Twin Towers never reached such temperatures.

Second, we have already seen that there were metals that were either melted or evaporated at temperatures well above the melting point of steel and iron.
Third, even if the crane photo did show molten glass, it would still need to have been heated to extremely high temperatures, since glass does not begin to give off any visible light until it approaches temperatures of 2240 ºF.<a href="Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel">15</a>

PM next takes issue with Steven Jones' claim that the molten metal can be accounted for by incendiaries that could have been used to destroy the buildings. They counter this claim by quoting Controlled Demolition, Inc. president Mark Loizeaux as saying the explosives used in demolitions do not produce molten metal, noting that the heat from the explosives would not last long. While this may be true for conventional explosives, the use of thermate and nanothermite based devices could certainly account for the molten metal. Molten iron is the main byproduct of a thermite reaction, and the reaction can produce extreme heat that lasts longer than conventional explosives. Nanothermite is a very high tech variation of thermite, and could account for all of these phenomena.<a href="https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...ebunking-the-real-9-11-myths-part2#footnote16">16</a>

In fact, both the USGS and RJ Lee, an environmental consulting firm, found ubiquitous, previously-molten iron microspheres in all of the WTC dust samples. These, like the thermite, can only be the result of temperatures reaching 2,800°F. Up to 6% of some of the dust samples recovered in the nearby skyscraper, the Deutsche Bank building, are composed of these iron spheres — most of which are only the size of the diameter of a human hair.

It is quite evident that PM has failed to explain away the extreme heat and molten metal that clearly existed at Ground Zero. They have also failed to show the temperatures inside the buildings were sufficient to cause collapse.

Part 3: Collapse Times of the Twin Towers


1 See: http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/FentonWTCInitiationFloors.pdf

2 Quoted from: What is 9/11 Truth? — The First Steps, by Kevin Ryan, pg. 2-3 http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_1_Ryan5.pdf

3 See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwNJmQw1MY

4 See: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#exaggeration

5 “The debris from WTC 1 caused structural damage to the southwest region of WTC 7—severing seven exterior columns—but this structural damage did not initiate the collapse. The fires initiated by the debris, rather than the structural damage that resulted from the impacts, initiated the building's collapse after the fires grew and spread to the northeast region after several hours.” Quoted from: http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm

6 According to NIST NCSTAR 1, pg. 87: “First exterior sign of downward movement of building at floor 98.”

7 Although it is true that the NIST report never specifically states that the 98th floor was the least damaged, the information provided in their report clearly demonstrates this. The 98th floor had only five perimeter columns severed, and one need only look through the table provided in NCSTAR 1-2, pg. 205 to see that NIST does not list floor 98 as having any of its core columns severed.

8 “Even if the automatic sprinklers had been operational, the sprinkler systems—which were installed in accordance with the prevailing fire safety code—were designed to suppress a fire that covered as much as 1,500 square feet on a given floor. This amount of coverage is capable of controlling almost all fires that are likely to occur in an office building. On Sept. 11, 2001, the jet-fuel ignited fires quickly spread over most of the 40,000 square feet on several floors in each tower. This created infernos that could not have been suppressed even by an undamaged sprinkler system, much less one that had been appreciably degraded.” Quoted from: http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_faqs_082006.cfm

9 See: http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/meridienplaza.html

10 See: http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/big_fires1.html

11 Quoted from: Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse? by Dr. Steven Jones, pg. 5 http://www.journalof911studies.com/...rldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

12 See: http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf

13 For a detailed discussion of the high temperatures at Ground Zero, see:
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dreger/GroundZeroHeat2008_07_10.pdf

14 See: http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

15 See: http://wiki.naturalfrequency.com/wiki/Colour_temperature

16 A detailed explanation of aluminothermic technology is given here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/thermitetech.html


 
Candycorn, for the moment I'll not get deeply involved in the relationship that You & LA RAM are having.
He’s gum on the bottom of my shoe.
As far as the "Light poles", there are many means to bring one, or many down, & it doesn't necessarily have to be a Jet Air Liner Problem is what are the Engineering Specifications for those "Poles"? What are they made of? What is the shear point for those "Poles"/ Then consideration has to be given to the "Plane",....Judging from the alleged ability of the plane to collapse into itself, & then Tunnel into the Pentagon,.. How many light poles were bent to at least a 45 degree angle?
Okay...what brought them down? Couldn’t have been a missile; they don’t zig-zag.

Why would the plotters even bring them into the equation? You don’t necessarily have downed light poles at the site of an airplane crash. So why would the plotters even add that to their inbox?

Please explain why they would have a cab hit by one on top of everything else (if you’re going to say “they were planted”)?

I’ve seen all of these move by conspiratards before...you’re nowhere near unique.

Unless you can explain the light poles...you can’t seriously say 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy.
 
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