sealadaigh
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I'm glad you brought this topic up again. I vividly remember the event, and did not understand at the time why the United States did not take more decisive action. This was not like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where all the evidence of attack on U S naval units turned out to be false. thirty four Americans dies and 171 were wounded.I would like to deal with it in an adult manner, that does not mean that I do not want good, healthy, strong and honest debate, it means that I want to deal with it without all of the garbage !!! In order that I cannot be accused of flying under a false flag I should state that in my opinion The Liberty was deliberty attacked by the Israelis.
While there is a lot of debate, the official reports and document lead me to agree that the attack was premeditated and intentional. My best guess is that at that point in the Six Day War, the Israelis were preparing for a last ditch nuclear attack if their lines broke and felt they had to protect that operation at all costs, even from the United States. I believe they had some fear that with an American carrier in the area, the United States might decide to intercept such an attack if the United States deemed the target too sensitive (like Cairo or Damascus). The Liberty was certainly a potential threat to their communications security. This is the only motive that makes sense to me for taking such a risk, and explains the subsequent behavior of both the American and Israeli governments. The Israeli's claimed it was a case of misidentification (an incredulous claim given the crew's testimony) and offered financial compensation. LBJ accepted the explanation with unseemly haste.
I'm sure this is going to be debated for decades more, but I don't think there is much evidence which will come out to make it any clearer.
All of the official reports concluded that attack was a case of mistaken identity, although some concluded it was caused by culpable negligence.
A US Naval Court of Inquiry concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity."
CIA memorandums stated, "The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence."
Clark Clifford, LBJ's special representative on this issue, after reviewing all available information stated, "The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished."
In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, stated, "I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel."
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Years later in his memoirs, McNamara stated he still held that opinion.
The captain of the Liberty, William L. McGonagle told the Naval Court he had believed the attack was not an intentional attack, but an error by the Israelis.
The only member of the government that believed that it was an intentional attack on a US ship was Secretary of State Dean Rusk, but he admitted he had never read any of the investigative reports so it is not clear what he based his opinion on.
and...some of the part you left out...
The Liberty Veterans Association (composed of veterans from the ship) states that U.S. congressional investigations and other U.S. investigations were not actually investigations into the attack; but, rather, reports using evidence only from the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, or investigations unrelated to culpability that involved issues such as communications. In their view, the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry is the only actual investigation on the incident to date. They claim it was hastily conducted, in only 10 days, even though the courtÂ’s president, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, said that it would take 6 months to conduct properly. The inquiry's terms of reference were limited to whether any shortcomings on the part of the Liberty's crew had contributed to the injuries and deaths that resulted from the attack.[47] According to the Navy Court of Inquiry's record of proceedings, four days were spent hearing testimony: two days for fourteen survivors of the attack and several U.S. Navy expert witnesses, and two partial days for two expert U.S. Navy witnesses. No testimony was heard from Israeli personnel involved.
The National Archives in College Park, Md., includes in its files on casualties from the Liberty copies of the original telegrams the Navy sent out to family members. The telegrams called the attack accidental. The telegrams were sent out June 9, the day before the Navy court of inquiry convened.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
sounds like a cursory investigation and a lot of rubber stamping going on...with a presidential elction looming and the president mired in aan increasingly unpopular war.
aren't full congressional investigations the norm in cases like this?