The Left made a tragedy about race

[X.Onasis]

Maybe you need to start over?

Explain the 'logic' behind your comment. Thanks

What's your problem? Post the entire exchange and it'll sort itself for you.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

You just posted an economic metric that INCLUDES Blacks.
This to prove "...any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not." ??
Seriously?

LOL. Not getting it eh? You do see that Blacks historically..and right now...make less money and have accumulated far less wealth? Thus, in general, they are excluded from high-dollar spending on non-essentials...like camp.
I'll be kind and assume you are unable to parse the stats.

"...any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not."

Slowly--if a white family is making 80k and a black family is making 50k--which family is more likely to fork out 8k for girl's camp?

Perhaps you're lost in some perceived 'absolutism' in my argument? That a Black family that really, really, really wanted their girl to attend a White, Conservative, Christian girls camp could fork out the money and get in?
Despite the lengthy waiting lists? The legacy-driven admissions policy?

Yet....a brief look at Camp Mystic would show you that over a hundred years, the number of non-white attendees is in the single digits....and most of those recently...and Hispanic.

Again, my contention is that this is driven by economics, legacy admissions, and yes, Texas elitism.

 

[X.Onasis]

LOL. Not getting it eh? You do see that Blacks historically..and right now...make less money and have accumulated far less wealth? Thus, in general, they are excluded from high-dollar spending on non-essentials...like camp.
I'll be kind and assume you are unable to parse the stats.

"...any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not."

Slowly--if a white family is making 80k and a black family is making 50k--which family is more likely to fork out 8k for girl's camp?

Perhaps you're lost in some perceived 'absolutism' in my argument? That a Black family that really, really, really wanted their girl to attend a White, Conservative, Christian girls camp could fork out the money and get in?
Despite the lengthy waiting lists? The legacy-driven admissions policy?

Yet....a brief look at Camp Mystic would show you that over a hundred years, the number of non-white attendees is in the single digits....and most of those recently...and Hispanic.

Again, my contention is that this is driven by economics, legacy admissions, and yes, Texas elitism.

LOL
You're trying to make me use a silly emoji aren't you?

I get your contention. What I don't get is why you can't understand that a statement like "...any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not." cannot be proven with a metric that includes people of color.

That is all.

 

[OldFlame]

What's your problem? Post the entire exchange and it'll sort itself for you.

I don't have a problem, but apparently you do. Are you incapable of going back to read the exchange? I mean, you worked hard to twist it off the topic in the last attempt, trying to do the same this time as well isn't going to work either.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

LOL
You're trying to make me use a silly emoji aren't you?

I get your contention. What I don't get is why you can't understand that a statement like "...any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not." cannot be proven with a metric that includes people of color.

That is all.

Ahh..I see yer kerfuffle..Let me fix it for you-

"any economic metric excludes people of color historically from attending Camp Mystic--like it or not."

I hope this clarifies your confusion.
I would have thought that you could have derived my meaning from context...but no worries.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

More than you think.

No where near the amount that owned them pre integration.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Integration caused a decline in Black-owned businesses??? Is that what you are saying?

That's exactly what I am saying, do I need to explain it for you.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

How many Black Conservative Christians live in the area ? Do you have those statistics ?

You loons love to brag about how much of the Black community the left controls. Using big percentage numbers of support from blacks every time whatever democratic party politician is running for office.

You do not give two poops about this subject. GTFOOH

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

fruity? LMAO. Is that some sort of slur used in Bangladesh?

not the way it works fruitcake

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Your little dance looks sillier each time you perform it.

You want me to defend what she, AND the camp were thinking?

I'm not asking you to defend anything, I'm asking you to not be a hypocrite. You criticize me for thinking she's racist for saying the camp is exclusive to whites with zero evidence but you won't criticize her for thinking the camp is exclusive to whites with zero evidence.

That is hypocritical to say the least.

You don't have to agree with me that it was a racist thing to say but for Christ's sake, at least acknowledge she had no basis to make the claims she did.

I'm taking issue with what YOU say. You provided proof that racism requires a suggestion of superiority while calling her a ******* racist.

I also provided proof that 1.) The definition also says that racism is a "belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities" and that this also applies, and 2.) That she accuses the camp of being exclusive to whites with zero evidence.

I'm asking YOU where she claims superiority over the White, Christian conservatives

Why do you even ask this question when you know people are being called racist for much less?

OR the media for ignoring the abduction and coverage of many more Hispanics without due cause.

That's a separate issue. I don't give a shit about her beef with the media attention.

Your moonwalk away from that point continues its pitiful stumble.

Your moonwalk away from her words that clearly accuse the camp of racist policies with zero evidence continues its pitiful stumble.

 

[X.Onasis]

I'm not asking you to defend anything, I'm asking you to not be a hypocrite. You criticize me for thinking she's racist for saying the camp is exclusive to whites with zero evidence but you won't criticize her for thinking the camp is exclusive to whites with zero evidence.

That is hypocritical to say the least.

You don't have to agree with me that it was a racist thing to say but for Christ's sake, at least acknowledge she had no basis to make the claims she did.


I also provided proof that 1.) The definition also says that racism is a "belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities" and that this also applies, and 2.) That she accuses the camp of being exclusive to whites with zero evidence.


Why do you even ask this question when you know people are being called racist for much less?


That's a separate issue. I don't give a shit about her beef with the media attention.

Your moonwalk away from her words that clearly accuse the camp of racist policies with zero evidence continues its pitiful stumble.

From Merriam Webster: A belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Notice, if you can grok it, that the bolded word is "and" and not "or."

YW.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

From Merriam Webster: A belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Notice, if you can grok it, that the bolded word is "and" and not "or."

YW.

You're belaboring a moot point. The woman accused the camp of racist practices with no evidence. What do you have to say about that?

 

[X.Onasis]

You're belaboring a moot point. The woman accused the camp of racist practices with no evidence. What do you have to say about that?

No, she didn't.

I asked you to show how what she said had met your repeatedly stated definition, and all you keep claiming is what you think she meant.

If you can't do that, I find you and your nonsense no longer worth thinking about.
Feel free to take your final shot.

 

[LeftofLeft]

That's exactly what I am saying, do I need to explain it for you.

Why is Integration a bad thing and why and how did it result in Black owned businesses? So, during Segregation, and pre-Civil Rights Legislation, Black Businesses thrived yet when Civil Rights passed and Integration replaced Segregation, Black Businesses declined.

How is that possible? I don’t think you can explain that.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

No, she didn't.

You know damn well she did. Once again:

"The parents of these children who are choosing - and it is a choice, in 2025, it is definitely a frickin' choice - to go into east goddamn Texas to make an all-white enclave. Exclusionary, just for white people, with all the black people in east Texas, all the Hispanic people in east Texas, somehow, some way, you have carved out an all white, whites-only enclave in east Texas for your white children."

I asked you to show how what she said that met your repeatedly stated definition, and all you keep claiming is what you think she meant.

I didn't "repeatedly" state the definition, I posted it once because you asked me to you ******* idiot. You're the one that's been hung up on it over the superiority aspect of it in spite of the fact that you know damn well that many whites are called racist all the time without them ever saying a word about whites being superior. It's being done right here, right now as we speak in this very discussion.

Don't insult my intelligence by pretending this doesn't happen every day. You probably think I'm racist.

If you can't do that, I find you and your nonsense no longer worth thinking about.
Feel free to take your final shot.

You expect me to prove she's racist when you outright deny that she accuses the camp of being "Exclusionary, just for white people..." with no evidence, even though that is exactly what she said.

You are pathetic.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

shitty behavior to put a camp on a river that is known to flood and kill people

10 children at a nearby camp were swept to their deaths in 1987

That's just bad luck, bad judgement at worst. Great job exposing your stupidity, though.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Why is Integration a bad thing and why and how did it result in Black owned businesses? So, during Segregation, and pre-Civil Rights Legislation, Black Businesses thrived yet when Civil Rights passed and Integration replaced Segregation, Black Businesses declined.

How is that possible? I don’t think you can explain that.

Check it out for yourself genius, look at Black Wall Street for starters.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

not the way it works fruitcake

Oh, I get it now. Fruity means ga,y and you figured you would go with that skool yard taunt because you have nothing else.

You guys are so sad.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Without taking a side..some facts to consider:
Camp Mystic is a 100 year old Texas Tradition---it is undeniably an upper-crust camp that has shaped Texas women for generations.
Families put their girls on the Camp Mystic waiting list at birth, in many cases.

Here's a look at women—some well-known, others lesser-known—who attended or were connected to Camp Mystic across its history:

Historic & Political Connections​

• Laura Bush – Before becoming First Lady, she was a drama counselor at Camp Mystic during her time at SMU Wikipedia+14NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth+14New York Post+14.
• Jenna Bush Hager – Daughter of George W. Bush, she has spoken publicly about the deep impact and personal connection her family has had with the camp MySA+4People.com+4NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth+4.
• Lynda Bird and Luci Johnson – Daughters of President Lyndon B. Johnson; they attended as campers, and later their daughters and granddaughters continued the tradition Wikipedia+2The Daily Beast+2KPRC+2.
• Rosebud Baker – Comedian and writer (granddaughter of James Baker, Reagan-era Secretary of State); she’s a second-generation camper AP News+7The Daily Beast+7inkl+7.

Governors’ Daughters​

• Daughters of Texas Governors Price Daniel, Dan Moody, and John Connally attended Camp Mystic over several decades Public Radio+13The Daily Beast+13New York Post+13.

Notable Alumnae in Arts & Society​

• Mary Martin – Renowned Broadway actress; she was among the earliest celebrity campers SGT Report.
• Abigail Kapiolani Kawānanakoa & Lydia Liliuokalani Kawānanakoa – Hawaiian princesses who attended Mary Jobe Akeley’s original Camp Mystic in Connecticut San Antonio Express-News+14Wikipedia+14AP News+14.

Founding & Women’s Leadership​

• Mary Jobe Akeley – An explorer, author, and conservationist who founded the original Camp Mystic near Mystic, Connecticut, in 1916; she championed outdoor education for girls Wikipedia.

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My point is that the dividing line here is money, and Texas connections, in many cases.
This was not your usual YMCA or church camp.

Yes--any economic metric excludes people of color historically--like it or not.

It is clear that the camp was/is ultra-exclusive--and whether or not the intention was to make it racially homogeneous...the effect of their policies was to make it so.

We can't really say that either because it presupposes intent that their policies would make it racially homogeneous and we just don't know that.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Check it out for yourself genius, look at Black Wall Street for starters.

You are all over the place.