The Kirk “Shooter”

[The Duke]

So the USA and Israel have to destroy their all offensive capabilities, their ability to fund and field proxies, and limit their ability to reconstitute all of that. . .




. . . and Iran wins by doing what the Taliban did, just surviving? And we are going to do all that w/o putting boots on the ground?

I don't think we are going to win TBH.

I think we and Iranians are. Their resolve is very strong. It's probably going to be a matriarchal nation. Like Golda Meir.

 

[buttercup]

I don't think we are going to win TBH.

Who's "we"? Americans didn't agree to this war. Most Americans don't want yet another M.E globalist war based on lies. It wasn't even declared, which makes it unconstitutional like most other wars these days. Plus, the WH pretty much admitted that Israel forced our hand. So the "we" would be our corrupt "leaders" who are apparently controlled by a foreign nation.

But the last couple pages are completely off-topic btw.

 

[MisterBeale]

Who's "we"? Americans didn't agree to this war. Most Americans don't want yet another M.E globalist war based on lies. It wasn't even declared, which makes it unconstitutional like most other wars these days. Plus, the WH pretty much admitted that Israel forced our hand. So the "we" would be our corrupt "leaders" who are apparently controlled by a foreign nation.

But the last couple pages are completely off-topic btw.

While it is true that the vast majority of Americans are against this, it is still our troops involved. It is still our government.

You'll never get me to slag this nation's people, even if the leadership is always, and continually, corrupt. lawless and misguided.



As far as being "off-topic," for a thread in the conspiracy theory sub-forum, there is no such thing. The moderation team takes looking after and enforcing those types of rule in this sub-forum about as seriously as doing so in the badlands.

No one really cares where the conversation meanders to, which, IMO, is a good thing.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think we and Iranians are. Their resolve is very strong. It's probably going to be a matriarchal nation. Like Golda Meir.

I'm a little bit curious what hard evidence you have read or seen to make you believe this?

 

[The Duke]

I'm a little bit curious what hard evidence you have read or seen to make you believe this?

Talking to Iranians, ok? For years. Well over a decade. If you look back, I've never condemned the Iranian people. A supermajority of Iranians are Christian or Zoroastrian.
IMO, Zoroastrian is based on like, the rules God set for this earth. They are tuned into it.

 

[buttercup]

While it is true that the vast majority of Americans are against this, it is still our troops involved. It is still our government.

You'll never get me to slag this nation's people, even if the leadership is always, and continually, corrupt. lawless and misguided.



As far as being "off-topic," for a thread in the conspiracy theory sub-forum, there is no such thing. The moderation team takes looking after and enforcing those types of rule in this sub-forum about as seriously as doing so in the badlands.

No one really cares where the conversation meanders to, which, IMO, is a good thing.

How did you get slagging the people out of what I said? I stand with the American people who as you agreed didn't sign up for this. And this might sound extreme, but I don't really consider it "my government." Our government was hijacked decades ago. I do stand with the constitution, bill of rights and the principles our country is supposed to stand for. That to me is America... as opposed to a subversive corrupt government that is controlled.

I was mostly kidding about the last couple pages being off topic.

 

[MisterBeale]

Talking to Iranians, ok? For years. Well over a decade.

How do you meet folks in a repressive regime. . . . and doesn't that cause your phones bills to be really expensive? Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to just e-mail them?

 

[The Duke]

How do you meet folks in a repressive regime. . . . and doesn't that cause your phones bills to be really expensive? Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to just e-mail them?

There's this thing called the internet.

Also there are Iranian-Americans..in America, or hadn't you noticed?
I'm in this worldwide group of people. People chime in from all around the world.
Daily.

 

[MisterBeale]

How did you get slagging the people out of what I said? I stand with the American people who as you agreed didn't sign up for this. And this might sound extreme, but I don't really consider it "my government." Our government was hijacked decades ago. I do stand with the constitution, bill of rights and the principles our country is supposed to stand for. That to me is America... as opposed to a subversive corrupt government that is controlled.

I was mostly kidding about the last couple pages being off topic.

Cautionary principle for me.

I'm a paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing coward. lol

Especially after that news about why the DoJ dropped Anthropic.

I am reasonably certain that everything written on-line, all that data is being crunched, collated, and made into actionable intelligence which Big Brother can use against us.

IN the 21st century, open defiance of Skynet is probably not wise.

 

[MisterBeale]

Also there are Iranian-Americans..in America, or hadn't you noticed?

Iranian Americans as a source of information and intelligence about Iran, to me, is a bit like Cubans in Miami commenting about what is going on in Cuba.

There are reasons why Cuban Americans are here, and Iranian Americans are here.

Asking them what their cousins in their home nations think, feel and believe is like asking a Democrat what Republicans think and believe, or an atheist about the wisdom of religions.

From a logic stand-point, it doesn't seem to be reliable metric.

I once dated a Welsh girl in college. Her parents grew up in Wales, still had the accent and everything, but after being here for a decade or so, their beliefs were more American than British.

 

[The Duke]

Iranian Americans as a source of information and intelligence about Iran, to me, is a bit like Cubans in Miami commenting about what is going on in Cuba.

There are reasons why Cuban Americans are here, and Iranian Americans are here.

Asking them what their cousins in their home nations think, feel and believe is like asking a Democrat what Republicans think and believe, or an atheist about the wisdom of religions.

From a logic stand-point, it doesn't seem to be reliable metric.

I once dated a Welsh girl in college. Her parents grew up in Wales, still had the accent and everything, but after being here for a decade or so, their beliefs were more American than British.

When they talk on the phone to their family?

 

[MisterBeale]

There's this thing called the internet.

 

[buttercup]

Cautionary principle for me.

I'm a paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing coward. lol

Especially after that news about why the DoJ dropped Anthropic.

I am reasonably certain that everything written on-line, all that data is being crunched, collated, and made into actionable intelligence which Big Brother can use against us.

IN the 21st century, open defiance of Skynet is probably not wise.

I hear ya. But I don't really have that fear. As of now, anyway. But I know things are going to get a lot worse.

In any event, when you know who you belong to (and it's the winning side)... you have peace. Look up Psalm 27:1

 

[MisterBeale]

When they talk on the phone to their family?

If you told me that they had told you that the folks their family talked to felt that way? Sure.

I don't think that is the case though.

When I read this, I had no illusions that this was representative of the feelings of the majority of the Iranian population.

PERSEPOLIS : Marjane Satrapi : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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But it is interesting how many folks desire a western style government.

It wouldn't surprise me, if most of those types are members of academia or Freemasonry like Marjane's father.

 

[The Duke]

If you told me that they had told you that the folks their family talked to felt that way? Sure.

I don't think that is the case though.

When I read this, I had no illusions that this was representative of the feelings of the majority of the Iranian population.

PERSEPOLIS : Marjane Satrapi : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

book topic: light comic.note: press the Zoom in and Zoom out buttons so that the writing is visible.see the front cover of the book here.read second book here.

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But it is interesting how many folks desire a western style government.

It wouldn't surprise me, if most of those types are members of academia or Freemasonry like Marjane's father.

Idk man, um, I'm in this worldwide group, and talk of things like that isn't allowed in the main chat, but we can PM each other too.
And we do. Real people. Not caricatures.
Some people are real characters, though.

 

[westwall]

How does the United States and Israel achieve victory?

Destroy the IRGC. They are the Praetorian Guard that run the country. Once they are eliminated, guide the Iranian people to a democratic form of government.

 

[westwall]

And how do the Iranians win this?

They don't

 

[The Duke]

They don't

Armed Kurds are moving in to get rid of the checkpoint dickweeds.
Battle-hardened Kurds that have been kicking ISIS and Turk ass for years.
Some are women.

 

[westwall]

Armed Kurds are moving in to get rid of the checkpoint dickweeds.
Battle- hardened Kurds that have been kicking ISIS and Turk ass for years.
Some are women.

Yes, why we haven't been helping Kurds is beyond me.

 

[MisterBeale]

Destroy the IRGC. They are the Praetorian Guard that run the country. Once they are eliminated, guide the Iranian people to a democratic form of government.

The only way to do that is to have boots on the ground.

Most of us have learned the lessons from Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan.