The Kennedy Files

[Soupnazi630]

1. Oswald was not an expert marksman. Most reports state he was a poor shooter
2. The 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle had a misaligned scope.
3. It was arguably the worst infantry rifle of its era and was used by arguably the worst army in Europe.
4. The bolt action was cumbersome and difficult. It requires the shooter to reacquire his target each time.
5. It is strange that Oswald’s aim gets increasingly better. He missed the first shot, hit Kennedy in the neck with the second shot and then made a head shot with the third shot. Logically, his first shot should have been the most accurate. Normally, a person would lift his head while working the rifle’s action and then reorient the sights. Logically, he should become more panicky and rushed with each shot — not a recipe for accuracy.

Wrong

No one said he was an expert and ALL reports state he was a sharpshooter whcih makes him a good shot

He did not need the scope he could and probably did use the iron sights

It was reliable and accurate as any modern rifle at ranges of 200 yards or less

You are ignorant and wrong about shooting. The first shot is statistically the most likely to miss and shooter always get more accurate as they fire

 

[gipper]

Wrong

No one said he was an expert and ALL reports state he was a sharpshooter whcih makes him a good shot

He did not need the scope he could and probably did use the iron sights

It was reliable and accurate as any modern rifle at ranges of 200 yards or less

You are ignorant and wrong about shooting. The first shot is statistically the most likely to miss and shooter always get more accurate as they fire

All lies from a CIA cuck.

 

[sparky]

Our government lied to us

~S~

 

[Soupnazi630]

All lies from a CIA cuck.

those are all proven facts dummy

 

[gipper]

those are all proven facts dummy

Only in your CIA controlled mind. Or is it Mossad?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Only in your CIA controlled mind. Or is it Mossad?

Nope I stated all FACTS you stupid fag

You are a liar and fool who knows nothing about this case and every tiem you post bullshit I correct it with facts and evidence

 

[Jarlaxle]

1. Oswald was not an expert marksman. Most reports state he was a poor shooter

Outright lie. By Marine standards, he was a fair shot. By the standards of the general public, he was an excellent shot.

2. The 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle had a misaligned scope.

And nobody has any idea how it was misaligned. Quite possibly, it happened when Oswald dropped the rifle AFTER shooting. Also note: the scope wasn't necessary at <100 yards. (Indeed, I would prefer iron sights at that range.)

3. It was arguably the worst infantry rifle of its era and was used by arguably the worst army in Europe.

Irrelevant distraction. A Carcano is perfectly capable of making a 200yd shot. The somewhat-underpowered 6.5mm wouldn't be my first choice, but it's adequate.

4. The bolt action was cumbersome and difficult. It requires the shooter to reacquire his target each time.

OK. Your point? Also note: LHO was left-handed. Shooting that way using a rest (which he did), it was certainly possible to keep a Mauser-action (which the Carcano is) rifle on target while cycling the bolt.

5. It is strange that Oswald’s aim gets increasingly better. He missed the first shot, hit Kennedy in the neck with the second shot and then made a head shot with the third shot. Logically, his first shot should have been the most accurate. Normally, a person would lift his head while working the rifle’s action and then reorient the sights. Logically, he should become more panicky and rushed with each shot — not a recipe for accuracy.

Abject nonsense. Also note: the first shot may not have missed, but rather been obstructed.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Outright lie. By Marine standards, he was a fair shot. By the standards of the general public, he was an excellent shot.



And nobody has any idea how it was misaligned. Quite possibly, it happened when Oswald dropped the rifle AFTER shooting. Also note: the scope wasn't necessary at <100 yards. (Indeed, I would prefer iron sights at that range.)



Irrelevant distraction. A Carcano is perfectly capable of making a 200yd shot. The somewhat-underpowered 6.5mm wouldn't be my first choice, but it's adequate.



OK. Your point? Also note: LHO was left-handed. Shooting that way using a rest (which he did), it was certainly possible to keep a Mauser-action (which the Carcano is) rifle on target while cycling the bolt.



Abject nonsense. Also note: the first shot may not have missed, but rather been obstructed.

Or he missed the first shot because he actually attempted to use the scope which was misaligned.

When he missed he called the shot and said screw it and went back to aiming with the open iron sights which he was trained to use

As I pointed out the idea that the first shot is the most accurate is bullshit created by Oliver Stone in his movie JFK. The first shot is typically the least accurate and most likely to miss. Snipers call it a cold bore shot and most of their training is dedicated to over come the tendency for the cold bore shot to miss.

As shooters warms up and settle into the weapon their accuracy improves. Either way the stupid claim made by Gipper is a lie and based on ignorance.


There was one and ONLY ONE man claiming he was a poor shot. This man was in the same company when Oswald went through boot camp. Anyone who has been a Marine will tellyou that you and your platoon mates will become very close. But not so much other trainees in the same company but different platoons. In other words this guy was not a credible witness. Oswalds official record stands unchallenged and he was an average marine shooter which by definition makes him a very good shot compared to the general population

 

[gipper]

Or he missed the first shot because he actually attempted to use the scope which was misaligned.

When he missed he called the shot and said screw it and went back to aiming with the open iron sights which he was trained to use

As I pointed out the idea that the first shot is the most accurate is bullshit created by Oliver Stone in his movie JFK. The first shot is typically the least accurate and most likely to miss. Snipers call it a cold bore shot and most of their training is dedicated to over come the tendency for the cold bore shot to miss.

As shooters warms up and settle into the weapon their accuracy improves. Either way the stupid claim made by Gipper is a lie and based on ignorance.


There was one and ONLY ONE man claiming he was a poor shot. This man was in the same company when Oswald went through boot camp. Anyone who has been a Marine will tellyou that you and your platoon mates will become very close. But not so much other trainees in the same company but different platoons. In other words this guy was not a credible witness. Oswalds official record stands unchallenged and he was an average marine shooter which by definition makes him a very good shot compared to the general population

Hey Allan, just a quick question. Has the CIA ever lied to congress or the American people?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Hey Allan, just a quick question. Has the CIA ever lied to congress or the American people?

Are you having a stroke?

 

[gipper]

Are you having a stroke?

Are trying to protect Allan?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Are trying to protect Allan?

Is Allan one of the voices in your head?

 

[gipper]

Is Allan one of the voices in your head?

Please don’t tell me your another doofus who thinks Oswald acted alone and the Warren Report got it right?

 

[gipper]

Is Allan one of the voices in your head?

So are you and Allan lovers?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Please don’t tell me your another doofus who thinks Oswald acted alone and the Warren Report got it right?

What you mean is someone smarter than your stupid ass

 

[gipper]

What you mean is someone smarter than your stupid ass

You two love birds will love this…


Consider a very simple point. If a president is struck down by an unknown group of conspirators, his successor would normally have had the strongest possible incentive to track them down lest he might become their next victim. Yet Johnson did nothing, appointing the Warren Commission that covered up the entire matter, laying the blame upon an erratic “lone gunman” conveniently dead. This would seem remarkably odd behavior for an innocent LBJ. This conclusion does not demand that Johnson was the mastermind, nor even an active participant, but it raises a very strong suspicion that he at least had had some awareness of the plot, and enjoyed a good personal relationship with some of the principals.

A similar conclusion is supported by a converse analysis. If the plot succeeded and Johnson became president, the conspirators must surely have felt reasonably confident that they would be protected rather than tracked down and punished as traitors by the new president. Even a fully successful assassination would entail enormous risks unless the organizers believed that Johnson would do exactly what he did, and the only means of ensuring this would be to sound him out about the plan, at least in some vague manner, and obtain his passive acquiesce.

Based on these considerations, it seems extremely difficult to believe that any JFK assassination conspiracy took place entirely without Johnson’s foreknowledge, or that he was not a central figure in the subsequent cover-up.
How Israel Killed the Kennedys

Please read…

 

[gipper]

Is Allan one of the voices in your head?

Take a listen. Just 3 minutes.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You two love birds will love this…


Consider a very simple point. If a president is struck down by an unknown group of conspirators, his successor would normally have had the strongest possible incentive to track them down lest he might become their next victim. Yet Johnson did nothing, appointing the Warren Commission that covered up the entire matter, laying the blame upon an erratic “lone gunman” conveniently dead. This would seem remarkably odd behavior for an innocent LBJ. This conclusion does not demand that Johnson was the mastermind, nor even an active participant, but it raises a very strong suspicion that he at least had had some awareness of the plot, and enjoyed a good personal relationship with some of the principals.

A similar conclusion is supported by a converse analysis. If the plot succeeded and Johnson became president, the conspirators must surely have felt reasonably confident that they would be protected rather than tracked down and punished as traitors by the new president. Even a fully successful assassination would entail enormous risks unless the organizers believed that Johnson would do exactly what he did, and the only means of ensuring this would be to sound him out about the plan, at least in some vague manner, and obtain his passive acquiesce.

Based on these considerations, it seems extremely difficult to believe that any JFK assassination conspiracy took place entirely without Johnson’s foreknowledge, or that he was not a central figure in the subsequent cover-up.
How Israel Killed the Kennedys

Please read…

You have circular logic which is self defeating

What you do not have is evidence. You start with a claimof a cover up but you have no proof that there WAS a coverup

 

[gipper]

You have circular logic which is self defeating

What you do not have is evidence. You start with a claimof a cover up but you have no proof that there WAS a coverup

Is it true your godfather was an Israeli spy? Yet another traitor!

Ron Unz—Angleton spent decades as the CIA’s head of Counter-Intelligence, ranking as one of the most powerful figures in that organization, while also serving as its exclusive liaison with the Israeli Mossad. As Piper documented in his book, Angleton’s Mossad ties were so strong, he has sometimes been seen as a Mossad asset, and after his forcible retirement in 1975, the Israeli government took the step of awarding him singular honors it never extended to any other American intelligence officer. According to Seymour Hersh and other highly-regarded writers on intelligence matters, Angleton secretly provided the Israelis with technical nuclear information during the late 1950s and 1960s.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is it true your godfather was an Israeli spy? Yet another traitor!

Ron Unz—Angleton spent decades as the CIA’s head of Counter-Intelligence, ranking as one of the most powerful figures in that organization, while also serving as its exclusive liaison with the Israeli Mossad. As Piper documented in his book, Angleton’s Mossad ties were so strong, he has sometimes been seen as a Mossad asset, and after his forcible retirement in 1975, the Israeli government took the step of awarding him singular honors it never extended to any other American intelligence officer. According to Seymour Hersh and other highly-regarded writers on intelligence matters, Angleton secretly provided the Israelis with technical nuclear information during the late 1950s and 1960s.

Great what does that have to do with JFK?