The Insanity Has Reached A Whole New Level

[Frankenstein]

F U C K O F F

I understand your inability to make rational statements

 

[martybegan]

Maybe that'll teach him a lesson about speaking foreign languages in public. Motherfucker. Who does he think he is?

No one gets pulled over for the wrong reason, or detained for the wrong reason, ever?

Fine demolish the justice system and go with whatever syndo-corporate anarchist bullshit you support, and would probably last 5 seconds under before some guy made you his bitch.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah. Fuck him!

Actually fuck you.

Now go fuck your stupid anarchist ass and be irrelevant to someone else.

 

[Frankenstein]

No one gets pulled over for the wrong reason, or detained for the wrong reason, ever?

Fine demolish the justice system and go with whatever syndo-corporate anarchist bullshit you support, and would probably last 5 seconds under before some guy made you his bitch.

Actually Dblack would be walking backwards bent over asking for it

 

[martybegan]

Actually Dblack would be walking backwards bent over asking for it

They idiot never presents his alternatives to our form of government, just bitches like a Big L Libertarian stoner moron.

 

[dblack]

Well, I think those of you supporting this shit are contemptible swine. Sniveling cowards who want the government to make the US a "safe space" where you don't have to hear anyone speaking a language you don't understand.

 

[Seymour Flops]

An America citizen, born in the USA, is being held in detention as an "unauthorized alien" just because he has an Hispanic name. He was pulled over by a Florida state trooper and the ignorant bigot decided the guy is an illegal.

Now, before you MAGAs say he should not have violated the traffic laws, which would mean fuck-all anyway, the guy was a PASSENGER in the vehicle.

And it gets worse.

His mother was not allowed to visit him in jail.

It gets even worse.

A county judge examined the man's birth certificate, validated it, and he STILL can't be released from jail because ICE has taken jurisdiction and they won't release him.


Welcome to TrumpWorld.

U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida's new anti-immigration law • Florida Phoenix

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...

floridaphoenix.com

Suppose everything in that story is true.

This is a judge ordering him held. I thought that judges' orders were sacred to the left. You know: "THE LAW."

Why the change of heart, g?

 

[martybegan]

Well, I think those of you supporting this shit are contemptible swine. Sniveling cowards who want the government to make the US a "safe space" where you don't have to hear anyone speaking a language you don't understand.

And you are an ivory tower idiot who never actually takes a position on how to fix things, just complains like a 5 year old girl.

 

[Frankenstein]

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I don't speak Norwegian. My ancestors assimilated.

same, some Norwegian, some Wales, some Scotland, some Germany, some Irish. I am all messed up, but speak fluent English

 

[buttercup]

No. He's being held without due process.

No. We just follow due process. It's there for exactly this reason.

What almost no one here seems to get (even a couple posters on my newsfeed who are normally very liberty-minded) is that the entire immigration issue is being used as a Trojan horse for more authoritarianism and more unconstitutional Orwellian policies.

We're being conditioned to not only accept Gestapo-like government, but to cheer it on. And the craziest part of all is to see "conservatives" do just that... cheer this all on....not realizing that the authoritarian power they're granting the government now is going to be used against THEM / US, when the wrong people get in power.

As he is 99.9999 percent of the time, Ron Paul is right:

Making Our Rights Disappear: The Authoritarian War on Due Process - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

“If Trump can disappear them, he can disappear you.”—Robert Reich The war on due process is here. No trials. No hearings. No rights. Just indefinite detention and secret deportations. This is the fate that awaits every one of us, not just immigrants (legal or otherwise), if the government’s war on…

ronpaulinstitute.org

 

[dblack]

Suppose everything in that story is true.

This is a judge ordering him held. I thought that judges' orders were sacred to the left. You know: "THE LAW."

Why the change of heart, g?

The judge thought he should be released. ICE overruled her.

 

[dblack]

What almost no one here seems to get (even a couple posters on my newsfeed who are normally very liberty-minded) is that the entire immigration issue is being used as a Trojan horse for more authoritarianism and more unconstitutional Orwellian policies.

We're being conditioned to not only accept Gestapo-like government, but to cheer it on. And the craziest part of all is to see "conservatives" do just that... cheer this all on....not realizing that the authoritarian power they're granting the government now is going to be used against THEM / US, when the wrong people get in power.

As he is 99.9999 percent of the time, Ron Paul is right:

Making Our Rights Disappear: The Authoritarian War on Due Process - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

“If Trump can disappear them, he can disappear you.”—Robert Reich The war on due process is here. No trials. No hearings. No rights. Just indefinite detention and secret deportations. This is the fate that awaits every one of us, not just immigrants (legal or otherwise), if the government’s war on…

ronpaulinstitute.org

For posterity:

The war on due process is here.

No trials. No hearings. No rights. Just indefinite detention and secret deportations.

This is the fate that awaits every one of us, not just immigrants (legal or otherwise), if the government’s war on the Constitution remains unchecked.

More than two decades after the U.S. government in its post-9/11 frenzy transported individuals, some of whom had not been charged let alone convicted of a crime, to CIA black sites (secret detention centers located outside the U.S. authorized to torture detainees) as a means of sidestepping legal protocols, the Trump Administration is using extraordinary rendition to make those on its so-called “enemies list” disappear.

The first round of arrests and deportations to a mega-prison in El Salvador supposedly targeted members of the infamous Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.

Carried out with little evidence and without court hearings or due process, these roundups reportedly may also have swept up individuals with no apparent connection to gang activity apart from common tattoos (firearms, trains, dice, roses, tigers and jaguars) and other circumstantial evidence.

In a particularly Kafkaesque explanation for why some of the Venezuelan migrants who have no criminal records were targeted for arrest and deportation, government lawyers argued in court that their lack of a criminal record is in itself cause for concern.

In other words, the government is prepared to preemptively arrest and make people disappear, without any regard for legal protocols or due process, based solely on the president’s claim that they could at some point in the future pose a threat to national security.

This takes pre-crime and preemptive arrests to a whole new sinister level of potential abuses.

Are you starting to sense how quickly this could go off the rails?

This is how democracies collapse. This is how rights disappear overnight.

As lawyers challenging the government’s overreach warned, “If the President can designate any group as enemy aliens under the Act, and that designation is unreviewable, then there is no limit on who can be sent to a Salvadoran prison, or any limit on how long they will remain there.”

Also among those in danger of being made to disappear without any legal record or due process are individuals who have not been charged with or convicted of any crimes.

The most egregious of these incidents involve college students, scientists and doctors, all of them legal permanent residents of the U.S. who, while never having been charged with a crime, are accused of threatening national security by taking part in anti-war protests over the growing death toll in Gaza as a result of the Israeli-Hamas war, or sympathizing with the Palestinians, or being associated with someone who might sympathize with the Palestinians.

When merely exercising one’s right to criticize the government in word, deed or thought is equated to an act of domestic terrorism, we are all in trouble.

The mass arrests and roundups thus far have been so haphazard that there is a very real likelihood that innocent individuals have also been swept up and deported.

American citizens could very well be next in line for this kind of treatment.

This is the danger of allowing any president to use expansive wartime powers to bypass the Constitution’s prohibitions against government overreach and abuse: suddenly, everything that challenges the government’s authority becomes a national security threat and every dispute a national emergency.

Through his use of executive orders, proclamations and so-called national emergencies, President Trump has essentially declared war on the rule of law.

Make no mistake: while immigrants, illegal and legal alike, have largely been the first victims of the Trump administration’s efforts to circumvent the Constitution in order to make them disappear, it’s our very freedoms that are being made to disappear.

At the heart of these freedoms is the right of habeas corpus.

Translated as “you should have the body,” habeas corpus requires the government to either charge a person or let him go free.

While the Constitution allows the writ of habeas corpus to be suspended in cases of rebellion or invasion when public safety is imperiled, the Trump Administration’s efforts to keep the nation in a permanent state of emergency in order to justify its power grabs leaves “we the people” subject to the kinds of arbitrary mass round-ups, arrests and deportations that have been favored by despots and dictators.

This is usually where the self-righteous defenders of Trump’s blatantly unconstitutional tactics insist that the protections of the Constitution only apply to U.S. citizens.

They are wrong.

At a minimum, as the U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed, the rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to the Constitution apply to all people in the United States, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status. Those rights include free speech, peaceful protest and criticism of the government, assembly, religious freedom, equal protection under the law, due process, legal representation, privacy, among others.

Then again, what good are rights if the government doesn’t respect them?

What good are rights if the president is empowered to nullify them whenever he wants?

For that matter, what good is a government that betrays its own citizens?

History has shown us that when governments operate without checks and balances, tyranny follows. The question is not whether mass arrests and indefinite detentions could be expanded to American citizens—it’s how long before they are.

If we allow the erosion of due process, if we accept that a president can unilaterally decide who is a threat without oversight, then we have already lost the freedoms that define us as a nation.

We must demand accountability. We must challenge policies that violate constitutional protections. We must support organizations fighting for civil liberties, educate ourselves on our rights, and refuse to be silenced by fear. Because when the government starts making people disappear, the only way to stop it is by making our voices impossible to ignore.

As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People and in its fictional counterpart The Erik Blair Diaries, freedom does not die in a single act of repression—it dies when the people surrender their rights in exchange for false security.

The Constitution can’t protect us if we don’t protect it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The judge thought he should be released. ICE overruled her.

She ruled differently than she "thought."

So, we finally have a judge that goes by the law, and not her feelings?

But, to you that is a bad thing?

She ruled that the law allows ICE to take custody of this individual.

A good law, that, being as how the federal government, and not state courts, have authority over immigration matters.

 

[dblack]

So, we finally have a judge that goes by the law, and not her feelings?

But, to you that is a bad thing?

Don't be specious. This isn't about the judge, this is about ICE overruling her without due process. Maybe you like that shit. I don't.

 

[Missourian]

An America citizen, born in the USA, is being held in detention as an "unauthorized alien" just because he has an Hispanic name. He was pulled over by a Florida state trooper and the ignorant bigot decided the guy is an illegal.

Now, before you MAGAs say he should not have violated the traffic laws, which would mean fuck-all anyway, the guy was a PASSENGER in the vehicle.

And it gets worse.

His mother was not allowed to visit him in jail.

It gets even worse.

A county judge examined the man's birth certificate, validated it, and he STILL can't be released from jail because ICE has taken jurisdiction and they won't release him.


Welcome to TrumpWorld.

U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida's new anti-immigration law • Florida Phoenix

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...

floridaphoenix.com

No one has ever been arrested due to a identification error before, and if only we stop enforcing immigration law against illegal aliens, it will never happen again !!!!!!1



Get the fuck outta here with your idiotic bullshit, you insufferable boob.

 

[Independent thinker]

The Insanity Has Reached A Whole New Level​

I've noticed that myself a lot lately. Trump is really getting to you guys now and your insanity has reached a whole new level. That pleases me to no end.

 

[dblack]

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No one has ever been arrested due to a identification error before, and if only we stop enforcing immigration law against illegal aliens, it will never happen again !!!!!!1



Get the fuck outta here with your idiotic bullshit, you insufferable boob.

Obey!

 

[Seymour Flops]

Don't be specious. This isn't about the judge, this is about ICE overruling her without due process. Maybe you like that shit. I don't.

So long as he's still in custody, he can get his due process.

Due process for an immigration question is in federal courts, or immigration courts, not in state courts.

You want for this Judge to have overstepped her bounds?

What exactly do you think she should have done, when ICE had a lawful 48 hour detainer on the perp?

How do you know what ICE's reasons for detaining him are, to know that they are not valid?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

An America citizen, born in the USA, is being held in detention as an "unauthorized alien" just because he has an Hispanic name. He was pulled over by a Florida state trooper and the ignorant bigot decided the guy is an illegal.

Now, before you MAGAs say he should not have violated the traffic laws, which would mean fuck-all anyway, the guy was a PASSENGER in the vehicle.

And it gets worse.

His mother was not allowed to visit him in jail.

It gets even worse.

A county judge examined the man's birth certificate, validated it, and he STILL can't be released from jail because ICE has taken jurisdiction and they won't release him.


Welcome to TrumpWorld.

U.S.-born man held for ICE under Florida's new anti-immigration law • Florida Phoenix

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. A Florida Highway Patrol trooper arrested Lopez-Gomez after a...

floridaphoenix.com

That's it! Throw the border open!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

same, some Norwegian, some Wales, some Scotland, some Germany, some Irish. I am all messed up, but speak fluent English

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Yeah, I also have some English, Irish, Swedish,and Dutch, but it's uncertain because my g'father may have been adopted. Also, there's some controversy about some indian blood.

Fluent English, here.


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