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The entire Tower of Babel story is a justification for racism. It is literally the reason the fairy tale was invented. People were using the Bible to argue against interracial mixing in the 60s. They literally were saying God told them not to serve negroes in their stores. And, maybe even worse, claiming this belief should be respected by law because they believe it.Christians cherry picked science. If it was science that comes up with cures, they accept and even take credit for that science. But if the science proves evolution or anything else that contradicts the Bible, they ignore that stuff.Correct. And the Christians destroyed his work and legacy for over 1000 years. It was once we experienced secular enlightenment did we again discover the value of the scientific method. We literally began adhering to the method again IN SPITE OF Christianity. Mankind had to dig out from under the pall of magical religious horseshit that held him back for 1500 years in order to begin the modern era of scientific advancement.I think Socrates did 300 years bc.
We have reached the point where Ringtone the fraud is now just making stuff up. He does this because, when others have to do the exercise of sorting out his made up lies and debunking them, they don't actually get to make any of their own points. It's the Alamo tactic for frauds who have nothing else to offer, after their overblown, amateurish arguments are all diminished. He will keep doing this. Just watch. Then people will get tired of sifting through the steaming piles he pinches off and bow out. Then, he declares victory.
Rinse, repeat.
Reminds me of Christians who owned slaves in the 1800s. They said blacks weren’t humans. What science told them that? Because scientifically, they are just like us whites, asians, Arabs, blonde Scandinavians, etc. yet Christians back then believed what the Bible said. Didn’t it call blacks beasts or something like that?
Your historical ignorance is showing (sealybobo). You better zip that up. Christians devised the scientific method.
If there is a god this isn’t his only universe and we certainly aren’t his only children.
That does not follow at all.
Your assertion, in and of itself, dummy, doesn't necessarily follow from your premise. Stop cramming God into your puerile (i.e., childish for Bulldog) logic. Further, you obviously didn't read my earlier post. The only narrow-minded, intellectual tardigrades around here are you atheists. I've forgotten more about the pertinent science and the potentialites thereof than the likes of you will ever know:Stop putting god in your tiny little box. You’re like a tardigrade that can’t see outside his drop of water.
It was a Christian mob that destroyed the Library of Alexandria, literally setting back human development.Imagine where we would be today if instead of Christianity we pushed truth logic science and reason.Unfortunately, those assholes also decided to put an end to Hellenistic and Socratic thought, ushering in the dark ages. The Muslims saw that and thought, "That seems nice!", and followed suit.Imagine the time when the preachers of the world decided to end the notion there was more than one god.
No wars
We’d be mining Mars not our precious planet
No poverty. Only lower middle class, middle class, upper middle class, rich, really rich, really really rich, really really really rich, etc. Same as now just no poverty.
There would be no man made global warming
Abortions would be rare because people can afford to have kids. But still abortion would be legal.
Less poverty means less crime so crime would be rare.
Everyone could afford to retire at age 65
No one would die or be bankrupt because they didn’t have insurance.
Your historical ignorance is showing. You better zip that up. Christians devised the scientific method.
Admitting you have forgotten so much about the science you apparently never learned (did you study at the Benny Hinn madrassah?) doesn't help your argument.If there is a god this isn’t his only universe and we certainly aren’t his only children.That does not follow at all.Your assertion, in and of itself, dummy, doesn't necessarily follow from your premise. Stop cramming God into your puerile (i.e., childish for Bulldog) logic. Further, you obviously didn't read my earlier post. The only narrow-minded, intellectual tardigrades around here are you atheists. I've forgotten more about the pertinent science and the potentialites thereof than the likes of you will ever know:Stop putting god in your tiny little box. You’re like a tardigrade that can’t see outside his drop of water.
Whether our universe is the one and only to have ever existed, one large spacetime continuum, albeit, with localized areas of activity, one in a cyclical series of universes, or a multiverse: the cosmological configuration at large cannot be past eternal.We cannot scientifically preclude the former potentialities in bold, but we can logically, mathematically and scientifically preclude the possibility that the latter is past eternal!Science has recently caught up with what logic and mathematics have told us all along about entities of space, time, matter and energy. The physical world cannot be an actual infinite.In scientific terms:Our theorem shows that null and timelike geodesics are past-incomplete in inflationary models, whether or not energy conditions hold, provided only that the averaged expansion condition H av > 0 holds along these past-directed geodesics. This is a stronger conclusion than the one arrived at in previous work in that we have shown under reasonable assumptions that almost all causal geodesics [i.e., as distinguished from those of higher dimensions], when extended to the past of an arbitrary point, reach the boundary of the inflating region of spacetime in a finite proper time" (Borde-Guth-Vilenkin Theorem: Inflationary spacetimes are not past-complete).This theorem extends to cyclical inflationary models and the inflationary models of multiverse as well. The physical universe at large, regardless of the chronological or the cosmological order of its structure, cannot overcome the thermodynamics of entropy.Joined by others, Vilenkin summarizes the matter as follows:It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning (Many World in One; New York: Hill and Wang, 2006, pg. 176).
They didn't "give it up". They were forced to abandon it, once better, secular ideas like scientific enlightenment and classical liberalism came along. Once again (and this is the theme for the last 2000 years), we progressed past those bad ideas not just in spite of religion, but in the face of strong, active opposition from religious people acting on their religion.I guess we're lucky you fine folks have given up burning people at the stake.
Imagine where we would be today if instead of Christianity we pushed truth logic science and reason.Unfortunately, those assholes also decided to put an end to Hellenistic and Socratic thought, ushering in the dark ages. The Muslims saw that and thought, "That seems nice!", and followed suit.Imagine the time when the preachers of the world decided to end the notion there was more than one god.
No wars
We’d be mining Mars not our precious planet
No poverty. Only lower middle class, middle class, upper middle class, rich, really rich, really really rich, really really really rich, etc. Same as now just no poverty.
There would be no man made global warming
Abortions would be rare because people can afford to have kids. But still abortion would be legal.
Less poverty means less crime so crime would be rare.
Everyone could afford to retire at age 65
No one would die or be bankrupt because they didn’t have insurance.
Your historical ignorance is showing. You better zip that up. Christians devised the scientific method.
Sure, but that is philosophy. It is not a testable, scientific idea. And don't trick yourself into thinking you have found some sort of objective, forcing argument for a god. Really you have subjectively chosen a long form way of authoritatively saying, "There is a god." You agree to subjective premises from the start which are, themselves, carefully chosen specifically for the success of the argument.. So the first mover argument is no more compelling than saying, "I think strawberries taste good." Well...good for you. Let's not try to turn "strawberries taste good" into a philosophical treatise in order to try to sneak it by as some sort of forcing argument or objective truth.I do have to stand with him about the question of design too, because it is valid to ask about the first mover.
You can stop right there. Not interested. I say the definition of god is a football sized chunk of ice cream that plays the bagpipes. And all your definitions are wrong. The end.Ok so we can revisit the definition of God. What is God?
Humans evolved in the last 200,000 years after a 13 billion year process.What caused gods to begin to exist?1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
So you barely regarded the contents of the OP, eh? Just like a dog "you went all squirrel!" when you saw the term sufficient cause and went off into la-la land where things just pop into existence from an ontological nothingness. Magic!
Then you can't answer his simple question.
The question is absurd. God did not begin to exist. Read the OP.
The bible says god poofed all land creatures into existence. In 7 days. And people today still follow this ancient religion. Every error can be explained away. And religions evolve. Today gays can marry and blacks can marry whites. Some Christians even believe in evolution. They don’t take the Bible’s literally. Cherry pickers. Every bs story was just an allegory except jesus story. That really happened.
Do Christians claim jews are liars? Because they were there and say Jesus was no messiah. Did not happen. They’re still waiting
A stupidly formatted, loaded question, but exactly what one would expect from a mind addled by faith. People of faith think assertions attain value based on whether or not they are BELIEVED. Rational people consider whether or not they are POSSIBLE. This is the intellectual poison that is faith, in action. It is a mental handicap that binds the mind from the start.Is it your belief that the Universe just popped into existence from an ontological nothingness?
A stupidly formatted, loaded question, but exactly what one would expect from a mind addled by faith. People of faith think assertions attain value based on whether or not they are BELIEVED.
Actually is was the MUSLIMS who devised the Scientific Method while the Christians were enjoying the dark ages of their own making.
A man you only ever heard of because of his completely secular accomplishments. All of his accomplishments of note stem from setting aside magical horseshit and faith, for a time, in favor of reason and evidence-based thought. Had he not done this, he would be just another anonymous religious goober in the dustbin of history, with nothing but the zillionth authoritative, magical interpretation of recycled, plagiarized, iron-age fairy tales to show for his life's work. Thanks for basically making my point for me. The fact that you did so on a quantum mechanical device that relies completely on Planck's secular life's work really drives it home. Will you be assisting me all day?A "mind" such as that of physicist Max Planck, Nobel Laureate: “Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is the quality which the scientists cannot dispense with”.
Another long, tedious cut and paste of silly "Biblical miracles" wherein only the gullible will accept the nonsensical attempts by religious extremists to present the Bibles as science texts.Science of the Bible
As a chemical engineer, I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many well educated people. How anti-intellectual it is of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign Christians to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.
Before citing the First Sentence in the First Book of the Holy Bible, let me give a good definition of modern science from the Bible:
I Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast that which is good.
Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Test all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.
In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.
Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.
So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie”), before anyone else.
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;
The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.
Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits of human enlightenment, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis1 and the Anthropic Principle2 are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.
Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
We scientists have found that doing a kindness produces the single most reliable momentary increase in well-being of any exercise we have tested. – Flourish, by Martin Seligman, psychologist
If you want to be happy, do good, be kind, give.
Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....
John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.
In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.
I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.
“Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them (people); for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (non-believers) are without excuse:
"Newton and his contemporaries believed that in doing science they were uncovering the divine plan for the universe in the form of its underlying mathematical order." – Paul Davies
Some of leading scientists whose work was motivated by their faith were: Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Brahe, Descartes, Boyle, Newton, Leibniz, Gassendi, Pascal, Mersenne, Cuvier, Harvey, Dalton, Faraday, Herschel, Joule, Lyell, Lavoisier, Priestley, Kelvin, Ohm, Ampere, Steno, Pasteur, Maxwell, Planck, Mendel.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.
Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?
With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks, from the submicroscopic to the supermacroscopic ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.
"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder." - Ralph W. Sockman
Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.
The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”
Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.
Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Knowledge is not wisdom. Countless men and women throughout history have been filled with knowledge, while doing foolish and evil things which destroyed the lives of hundreds of millions of others.
Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment. "The universe is a free lunch." (Physicist Michio Kaku) The Lord does not take foolishness lightly. Neither should we.
Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."
Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”
Astronomy Picture of the Day
How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?
Psalms 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
For centuries, astronomers have studied planets and stars, which have spoken eloquent volumes of knowledge and even mathematics. Sir Isaac Newton invented the calculus in order to understand elliptical orbits of planets. No less a scientist than Carl Sagan said, “Astronomical spectroscopy is an almost magical technique. It amazes me still.” (Cosmos, page 93) When a person of faith expresses amazement, they are ridiculed for expressing “The Argument From Incredulity.” When agnostic Sagan expresses the very same “argument,”other non-believers never ever ridicule or mock it. Such hypocrisy is unscientific and unintelligent.
Psalms 118:24 This is the day the Lord hath made; We will rejoice and be glad in it.
Twenty-first century medicine confirms the benefits of joyfulness for both our mental health as well as our physical health. "We scientists have found that doing a kindness produces the single most reliable momentary increase in well-being of any exercise we have tested." – Martin Seligman, psychologist, in his book, Flourish
Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 1017 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.
Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.
Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.
The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.
Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.
Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.
In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.
Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.
The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.
Proverbs 3:20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
Not only does the mid-Atlantic ridge constitute the continuing breakup of tectonic plates, but also in the depths of the Pacific Ocean also "the depths are broken up," as discovered by modern science, unknown almost two thousand years ago.
Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;
“To seek out and search by wisdom.” This is the very definition of science, is it not? "Scientia," Latin for "truth," is the root word of science.
Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.
The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us wherever we look. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, with their fingers crossed.
Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.
How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)
Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.
Ecclesiastes 7:9 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.
Galatians 6:26 Let us not be desirous of vainglory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Atheists are exceedingly angry and bitter. Atheism is an essential component of socialism and communism, as is envying one another. The vainglory of atheists is prominent in their claims of intellectual and moral superiority. They claim that Christians are only good to get to heaven, while the atheists themselves are good just because off their sanctimonious egos. The Christian knows that we are all sinners, saved only by Grace.
Philipians 4:8 ...whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Psychological professionals in the 21st Century have affirmed the substantial benefits, both mental and physical, of positive thinking in countless scholarly experiments, published papers and books.
Proverbs 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Twenty-first century social science confirms that Christians are happier than atheists. When confronted with this scientific truth, atheists angrily and snidely reply, “Ignorance is bliss.” It’s a lie, and lies are all they have. To contend otherwise is to claim that wisdom decreases your happiness. Why then do we strive for, and achieve wisdom?
Proverbs 3:21 My son, let them not depart from your eyes. Keep sound wisdom and discretion;
Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! And to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.
Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with integrity, and far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of facts, which are value neutral.
Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.
Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.
John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?
I Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast that which is good.
Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Test all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.
Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net
Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.
Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.
Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined. Moreover, Charles Darwin repeatedly expressed his disdain for what he considered to be the “lower forms of life,” the Africans. This vile racist, who was an admittedly mediocre student in school, originated the hypothesis, not even a theory, of common descent, now called “evolution” or “Darwinian evolution.” From a letter to Asa Gray, a close friend and Professor of Biology at Harvard University: "I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."
John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?
Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.
Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.
The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 10 to the 33rd power years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever; it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who made science.
Footnote 1: By “the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis, I mean the utter impossibility of any naturalistic explanation for synthesizing even a single polypeptide, much less the enormous variety of proteins, enzymes, and related structures which constitute every living cell. Our polypeptides, as they are called, are so profoundly complex that even with a blueprint, contemporary scientists cannot produce them in a laboratory from reagents. How much more hopeless it would be to expect a pool of dirty water to produce hundreds proteins necessary for the first living cell.
Footnote 2: By “insuperable statistics of the Anthropic Principle, I refer to the several dozen physical constants, such as the gravitational constant, the strong nuclear force, and the fine structure constant, which are so finely tuned that if they were as little as one part in 1040th larger or smaller, there would be no planet earth and no human beings. The gravitational constant in particular is precise within one part in 10 to the 10120th. What has been so desperately offered as an explanation for the Anthropic Principle is the preposterous fantasy of “Multiverse,” an infinite number of universes, of which we live in “just the right one.” It is not remotely connected to science or reality.
* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I originated, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as civilized people know and enjoy. There is a pervasive elegance throughout our world and indeed our universe which far transcends the atheistic nihilism so popular today in what they call "intellectual" circles.
First example of Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.
Second example of PFIs: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 1017 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.
But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.
** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.
Third example of PFIs: Vision, made possible only through the combined PFIs of the elegant properties of electromagnetic radiation in the visible portion of that spectrum, including the capacity to transmit both energy as well as information, over unimaginable distances, with almost perfect fidelity and reliability, and to be magically bent by a wide variety of readily available transparent materials, so as to enable wide-angle vision instead of 1:1 tunnel vision of an image roughly the same size as the receiving retina, and all the while photons pass through photons in every direction and in every wavelength, utterly unaffected in the slightest.
Additional reading: Science and the Bible
I have no belief as to the origin of the universe. I don't know.Is it your belief that the Universe just popped into existence from an ontological nothingness? Magic?
Jesus save my scrolling finger.Science of the Bible
In terms of defining what the gods can and cannot do, you need to take the first step and make a rational case for the existence of your gods.
Only partially correct. The Renaissance was sparked by the waning authority of the Church and the advances of Western/European scientists. The seeds of knowledge and learning began germinating in the work of Renaissance thinkers and scientists, and started to bloom during the Enlightenment. The church simply could not enforce its authoritarianism forever. The Renaissance, the European enlightenment, and finally the scientific-technological revolution, all predicated on free thought and open debate, allowed the West to surge ahead and forge new avenues of social, political and economic advances. Those advances were a direct result of the diminished authority of the Church. In a very real sense, the development of the scientific method and the consensus it brings, combined with the academic and intellectual freedoms of the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment, left less and less room for literal interpretations of any creation stories.Actually is was the MUSLIMS who devised the Scientific Method while the Christians were enjoying the dark ages of their own making.
The modern scientific method comprehensively incorporates Aristotelian empiricism and Arabic experientialism per the unification of the inductive-deductive continuum. While Aristotle is credited for apprehending the duality of scientific reasoning, it was left to Robert Grosseteste to expound the synthesis of the two methods of knowledge (logic and experience) relative to deciphering the discrete constituents of empirical phenomena. From there Roger Bacon expounded the unification relative to his cyclically repetitious methodology of observation, hypothesis experimentation and verification. From that point on, the West left the the Islamic world in the dust.
