The Homosexual Dilemma

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Anyone think posting "link" is proves anything? Get a life. The proof is experience. Living a full life and having wide range of experiences. Gays are nice folks, in general. But I don't understand this push for rights for them, I really don't. Tell me why? This is about a general consensus, there isn't any right or wrong. I just don't understand this rationalizing irrational sexual behavior. They are never gonna have children, why this PUSH for marriage equality? Why? I just am not buying it. I don't understand it.

Suffice to say, there are some very decent gays who aren't pushy assholes. I know, two of them are dear friends of mine. It's a tragedy that the faggots have become the face of gay people, but that's how life is.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The company that makes twinkies is out of business. Good riddance.

 

[Coyote]

Well cool - then same sex marriage isn't an issue.

Marriage is the joining of one man and one woman.

According to what?

According nature, as demonstrated in the human physiological design.

Nature and the human physiological design can accomodate multiple partners in a relationship so the one woman/one man schtick is bunk.

Can it? But part and parcel of that design is the means to reason soundly... which precludes multiple partners, due to the inherent instability... .

Ya see scamp the biological imperative requires human propagation... part and parcel of that is viability. As nature is not served if propagation leads to the destruction of the species.

Again this is all incredibly simple stuff, yet it seems to be well beyond your limited intellectual means.

Well cool - then same sex marriage isn't an issue.

Marriage is the joining of one man and one woman.

According to what?

According nature, as demonstrated in the human physiological design.

Nature and the human physiological design can accomodate multiple partners in a relationship so the one woman/one man schtick is bunk.

Can it? But part and parcel of that design is the means to reason soundly... which precludes multiple partners, due to the inherent instability... .

What "inherent instability"? It's a design that worked well for eons whether codified in marriage or tacitly accepted with mistresses. One man/one woman as the only norm is a relatively recent phenomenum.

Ya see scamp the biological imperative requires human propagation... part and parcel of that is viability. As nature is not served if propagation leads to the destruction of the species.

True, but dang it scooter - there's that pesky "reasoning" schtick that has allowed us to take relationships beyond mere propagation.

Again this is all incredibly simple stuff, yet it seems to be well beyond your limited intellectual means.

Why do you suppose that is?

You want a guess? Poor presentation of material indicating an inadequate grasp of human history. Just a thought.

Now I know ya didn't ask... but I am going to suggest that it's because you have succumbed to the destruction species of reasoning known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

It is through this deviation in reason that relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity which is essential to truth.

And THAT is why you're incapable of recognizing truth, and its why ya fail to serve justice and why, every human in human history which has ever been infected with such, fails... and why ever culture in human history that has accepted such people... failed.

There is no "objectivity". We all view "truth" through the lense of our own personal experiences.

You can have relativism and absolutes both. Some truths are absolute and seem to span religions/cultures. Others are relative.

 

[Coyote]

The company that makes twinkies is out of business. Good riddance.

no way.....

 

[MaryL]

Anyone here that that can prove that homosexuals NEED to get married, I will buy you a GOOD cup coffee, you name it. Really.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The company that makes twinkies is out of business. Good riddance.

no way.....

Hostess is gone....happened a couple of years ago.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

F*ggot- N*gger- C*nt- K*ke

All words used by bigots in the same way for the same purpose.

And bigots always rationalize why its okay that they use any of these words.

But we all know why they use them- they use them to attempt to hurt others.

You make any interesting New Years resolutions?

Yes, I am resolved to stop being nice to evil.

You've already failed. I suggest a new resolution. Resolution specialists recommend making them goal oriented and specific rather broad and general. For example - you could resolve to stop giving twinkies to individuals who exhibit distinct evil characteristics like maniacal laughter, squinty eyes and dazzling (unatural) teeth that suggest a lot of money spent on dentistry. That would be specific and achievable.

They also suggest not choosing something you failed at before. For me that would be weight loss. I could choose a no fail resolution like I resolve to stay away from Budapest or Bankok or anything else starting with a B but...oh damn, that would include Boise. I really suck at this.

Well...that might explain a lot....

2010
1. No chocolate

2011
1. No chocolate

2012
1. No chocolate

2013
1. No chocolate

2014
1. No chocolate

2015
1. No chocolate
1. Some chocolate

LOL! I too am defenseless in the presence of the Lots of Choco... . In my house, there has never been anything which could fairly be called: Old Chocolate.

But ... alas, as the body begins its return to dust, one of the things that has come my way is a thing called 'The Gout'. Sweets and Rare red meat are said to be instigators of attack and while over the last few years I suffered some attacks which I felt were 'serious'... 6 months ago I had one that lasted a month and it was among the most painful things I've ever come across. I thought my toe was literally going to split open.

So I spent the last 6 months sans my old pal, chocolate.

Now... I got through Thanksgiving, no problem... but as Christmas came along, I've succumbed any number of times... the most recent being this very evening wherein I polished off the other half of the gooey brownies my wife is famous for.

So I feel your chocolate pain... and struggle with the desire to not eat it all, NOW!

But let's be honest... its CHOCOLATE MAN!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

High cacao content chocolate is health food. Indulge.

 

[Coyote]

You make any interesting New Years resolutions?

Yes, I am resolved to stop being nice to evil.

You've already failed. I suggest a new resolution. Resolution specialists recommend making them goal oriented and specific rather broad and general. For example - you could resolve to stop giving twinkies to individuals who exhibit distinct evil characteristics like maniacal laughter, squinty eyes and dazzling (unatural) teeth that suggest a lot of money spent on dentistry. That would be specific and achievable.

They also suggest not choosing something you failed at before. For me that would be weight loss. I could choose a no fail resolution like I resolve to stay away from Budapest or Bankok or anything else starting with a B but...oh damn, that would include Boise. I really suck at this.

Well...that might explain a lot....

2010
1. No chocolate

2011
1. No chocolate

2012
1. No chocolate

2013
1. No chocolate

2014
1. No chocolate

2015
1. No chocolate
1. Some chocolate

LOL! I too am defenseless in the presence of the Lots of Choco... . In my house, there has never been anything which could fairly be called: Old Chocolate.

But ... alas, as the body begins to return to dust, one of the things that has come my way is a thing called 'The Gout'. Sweets and Rare red meat are said to be instigators of attack and while over the last few years I suffered some attacks which I felt were 'serious'... 6 months ago I had one that lasted a month and it was among the most painful things I've ever come across. I thought my toe was literally going to split open.

So I spent the last 6 months sans my old pal, chocolate.

Now... I got through Thanksgiving, no problem... but as Christmas came along, I've succumbed any number of times... the most recent being this very evening wherein I polished off the other half of the gooey brownies my wife is famous for.

So I feel your chocolate pain... and struggle with the desire to not eat it all, NOW!

But let's be honest... its CHOCOLATE MAN!

I feel for you heartfelt...I've consumed the last Cadbury chocolate from Christmas...

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Anyone here that that can prove that homosexuals NEED to get married, I will buy you a GOOD cup coffee, you name it. Really.

Don't hold your breath...

The purpose of the demand for marriage is that with marriage come legitimacy... what they don't understand is that legitimacy comes as a result of the standard that defines it. Therefore, they're chasing something that can't be had until THEY turn from that which renders them illegitimate.

It's some fairly sad stuff... but insanity has always been sad.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yes, I am resolved to stop being nice to evil.

You've already failed. I suggest a new resolution. Resolution specialists recommend making them goal oriented and specific rather broad and general. For example - you could resolve to stop giving twinkies to individuals who exhibit distinct evil characteristics like maniacal laughter, squinty eyes and dazzling (unatural) teeth that suggest a lot of money spent on dentistry. That would be specific and achievable.

They also suggest not choosing something you failed at before. For me that would be weight loss. I could choose a no fail resolution like I resolve to stay away from Budapest or Bankok or anything else starting with a B but...oh damn, that would include Boise. I really suck at this.

Well...that might explain a lot....

2010
1. No chocolate

2011
1. No chocolate

2012
1. No chocolate

2013
1. No chocolate

2014
1. No chocolate

2015
1. No chocolate
1. Some chocolate

LOL! I too am defenseless in the presence of the Lots of Choco... . In my house, there has never been anything which could fairly be called: Old Chocolate.

But ... alas, as the body begins to return to dust, one of the things that has come my way is a thing called 'The Gout'. Sweets and Rare red meat are said to be instigators of attack and while over the last few years I suffered some attacks which I felt were 'serious'... 6 months ago I had one that lasted a month and it was among the most painful things I've ever come across. I thought my toe was literally going to split open.

So I spent the last 6 months sans my old pal, chocolate.

Now... I got through Thanksgiving, no problem... but as Christmas came along, I've succumbed any number of times... the most recent being this very evening wherein I polished off the other half of the gooey brownies my wife is famous for.

So I feel your chocolate pain... and struggle with the desire to not eat it all, NOW!

But let's be honest... its CHOCOLATE MAN!

I feel for you heartfelt...I've consumed the last Cadbury chocolate from Christmas...

OH GOD! I LOVE CADBURY... I've eaten myself sick on their dam' eggs MANY TIMES. They're so good its wicked.

Sadly... I'm out of the cadbury game. I hope it doesn't upset their holdings... but, it might. I was HUGE in Cadbury.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Anyone here that that can prove that homosexuals NEED to get married, I will buy you a GOOD cup coffee, you name it. Really.

Don't hold your breath...

The purpose of the demand for marriage is that with marriage come legitimacy... what they don't understand is that legitimacy comes as a result of the standard that defines it. Therefore, they're chasing something that can't be had until THEY turn from that which renders them illegitimate.

It's some fairly sad stuff... but insanity has always been sad.

And they're willing to settle for appearances, because real marriage cannot be redefined. Gay couple can play house and delude themselves, but they can never marry for real. The Bible refers to this as "strong delusions". They forget that marriage is ordained by God and is not up for personal interpretation.

 

[Skylar]

Suffice to say, there are some very decent gays who aren't pushy assholes. I know, two of them are dear friends of mine. It's a tragedy that the faggots have become the face of gay people, but that's how life is.

Your standard for a 'pushy asshole' is any gay or lesbian who doesn't 'sit down and shut the **** up'. Which isn't a particularly compelling standard.

You're a far greater threat to the rights of gays, then gays are a threat to your rights.

 

[Skylar]

Anyone here that that can prove that homosexuals NEED to get married, I will buy you a GOOD cup coffee, you name it. Really.

Don't hold your breath...

The purpose of the demand for marriage is that with marriage come legitimacy... what they don't understand is that legitimacy comes as a result of the standard that defines it. Therefore, they're chasing something that can't be had until THEY turn from that which renders them illegitimate.

It's some fairly sad stuff... but insanity has always been sad.

And they're willing to settle for appearances, because real marriage cannot be redefined. Gay couple can play house and delude themselves, but they can never marry for real. The Bible refers to this as "strong delusions". They forget that marriage is ordained by God and is not up for personal interpretation.

Unless we don't accept your personal religious beliefs as defining marriage. Once again, your argument only works if we already agree with you. If we don't, you've got no rational, logical, or evidentiary basis for your argument. And our law doesn't use your religious beliefs as its basis.

Meanwhile, gays and lesbians will continue to marry every day. And the number of states in which gay marriage is recognized continues to rise.

Get used to the idea.

 

[Skylar]

Anyone think posting "link" is proves anything? Get a life. The proof is experience. Living a full life and having wide range of experiences. Gays are nice folks, in general. But I don't understand this push for rights for them, I really don't. Tell me why?

Because marriage brings with it a variety of tangible benefits, rights, priveledges and immunities. Gays and lesbians want access to that package of benefits.

A better question would be, why would we deny them their rights? There's certainly no rational reason to exclude them from marriage. There's no state interest served. Marriage benefits gays and the children of gays. And it costs society nothing.

So.....why wouldn't we?

 

[Skylar]

"Different" does not equal "disordered" or even "abnormal" since a certain amount of deviation is normal.

It literally does, when the subject is the standard of order. Where such deviates or 'differs' from the standard, different equals disorder.

"Standards" are subjective.

Standards are objective. In that they require everyone to rise to them.

I have my standards dude. Is that objective enough?

You have no standards... you're a relativist. Thus we can rest assured that your life is one long string of rationalizations.

The obvious problem with your reasoning being......your a relativist too. You summarily ignore any portion of the bible you don't like, interpret around anything you don't want to do based on your own moral reasoning. When you can tell God to go **** himself on any commandment you don't want to follow via the magic of subjective interpretation, you can hardly claim to have an objective belief system.

Religion is subject to personal context, history, society, culture, and opinion. And faith is intimately and inescapably subjective.

 

[Unkotare]

Anyone think posting "link" is proves anything? Get a life. The proof is experience. Living a full life and having wide range of experiences. ...

Here we go again...Princess Illogic showing her ass again...

 

[80zephyr]

And there is no question that homosexuality is replicated in every generation. It is part of Nature and has never threatened the continuation of mankind.

Now that depends. Every other generation didn't celebrate it.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

God these assholes are dumb. One thinks that if walks into his daughter's bedroom and finds her on her knees stripped to her panties, her boyfriend standing over her with his jeans and tighty whiteys at his ankles, and his cock in her mouth that he would react by saying, Oh good, I was worried that you two might be having sex but I can see it's just foreplay so have fun kids. Morons here, total ******* morons.

Hey House, I don't make these definitions up. Society and nature does. It appears it is my job to educate those that don't know any better.

You "definition" is that only of horny teenage girls who are "technical virgins". The rest of us know that a cock in your ass or your mouth means you are having sex. We, unlike you, have common ******* sense, literally.

Well, your "common sense" is not sex. Sorry if that upsets you.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

But the experts don't agree with the far right on this Board.

Amazing. The weirds start taking same sex attraction and these voyeurs start gabbling excitingly about bestiality, group sex, and other behavior that fascinates them. No connection at all but they do get excited.

Bullshit. The APA is discussing classifying pedophilia in the same way they do homosexuality. If you all were truthful, you would understand that any sexual proclivity can(and should be if applied fairly) be classified exactly as homosexuality is. One sexual deviancy is really no different than another.

Mark