g5000
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The Homosexual Dilemma
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saintmichaeldefendthem
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That's a nice touch. Put it in a font even faggots can understand.So those were some of the OTHER perceived sins of the Sin Cities ... uh huh ..
while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.
Genesis 19:5
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
saintmichaeldefendthem
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You people characterize any opposition to the homosexual lifestyle as hate, so your bigotry prevents you from rendering an objective analysis.
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That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
g5000
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Nope, but your opposition certainly is based on hate.
The Bible is not objective.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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The NIV tries to use the most common vernacular to accommodate people of your intelligence level. Other versions word it differently if you think you're up to the challenge.That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
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bodecea
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That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Did some interesting research on this...the word is "yada" which means to know....and is used in the Aramic OT over 900 times. Only 13-14 times does it mean something sexual....the rest of the time it means to "question". It isn't til the Christian bibles, particularly the KJV does it take on sexual tones. What if the men of Sodom just wanted to question the strangers? Not quite as interesting and evil sounding, is it?
saintmichaeldefendthem
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You're a moron. Anyone who characterizes any disagreement as hate is not objective. That's not up for debate. Since bigots like you see hate everywhere, you're crippled in being able to perceive the real thing. It would be the same as a conspiracy kook trying to discern a real conspiracy from the random lunacy that occupies his head. That's the kind of logic that escapes people like you.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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Yes, that totally explains why Lot offered his daughters as a substitute. You'll never understand what you refuse to see no matter how clear it's made to be.That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Did some interesting research on this...the word is "yada" which means to know....and is used in the Aramic OT over 900 times. Only 13-14 times does it mean something sexual....the rest of the time it means to "question". It isn't til the Christian bibles, particularly the KJV does it take on sexual tones. What if the men of Sodom just wanted to question the strangers? Not quite as interesting and evil sounding, is it?
bodecea
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Well...aren't you one who thinks it's "logical" to offer so-called homosexual men your..........daughters?Yes, that totally explains why Lot offered his daughters as a substitute. You'll never understand what you refuse to see no matter how clear it's made to be.That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Did some interesting research on this...the word is "yada" which means to know....and is used in the Aramic OT over 900 times. Only 13-14 times does it mean something sexual....the rest of the time it means to "question". It isn't til the Christian bibles, particularly the KJV does it take on sexual tones. What if the men of Sodom just wanted to question the strangers? Not quite as interesting and evil sounding, is it?
g5000
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Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
God hates fags.
But before he was harshing on gays, God first said in Leviticus 11:12 - Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
God hates shrimp eaters.
God hates fags.
But before he was harshing on gays, God first said in Leviticus 11:12 - Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
God hates shrimp eaters.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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Thanks for demonstrating my point. You proved yourself a bigot.
saintmichaeldefendthem
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Not to homosexuals, no. Does that sound intelligent to anyone?Well...aren't you one who thinks it's "logical" to offer so-called homosexual men your..........daughters?Yes, that totally explains why Lot offered his daughters as a substitute. You'll never understand what you refuse to see no matter how clear it's made to be.That's a direct translation? What is the Hebrew (Semetic) word for "have sex with them"?"No its not debatable"
LOL- I have already shown that it is regularly debated by scholars.
The entire Jewish tradition disagrees with you.
The Sin of Sodom and its Impact on Creation - My Jewish Learning
The Torah did not elaborate on the sin of Sodom, but the underpinnings are expressed later in the prophecy of Ezekiel: "Behold this was the sin of Sodom…She and her daughters had pride, excess bread, and peaceful serenity, but she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy" (16:49).
An opinion in the Mishnah in Avot 5:10 further strengthens this picture of moral depravity when it defines the Sodomite as one who says, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours." The Mishnah decries a man who wishes to remove himself from the social responsibility of welfare by closing himself and his wealth from others, even if he makes the claim that he is not taking away from anyone else.
The Destruction of Sodom - Jewish History
The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water. Once they had found out that Plitith, Lot’s daughter, had secretly given food to a stranger who was near starvation, and they burned her in public. Another time, when they discovered that a young girl had fed a starving beggar, they smeared honey all over her and placed her upon the city wall, so that she died from the stings of the bees attracted by the honey.
These and many other similar hideous acts of cruelty by the Sodomites and their neighbors of Gomorrah, had aroused G-d’s anger, and He decided to destroy them completely.
Every time from now on that you claim that the issue is not even debatable you just show yourself to be a liar.
And really- 'Atomic Warfare in Ancient India'? LOL......
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Genesis 19-5
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Did some interesting research on this...the word is "yada" which means to know....and is used in the Aramic OT over 900 times. Only 13-14 times does it mean something sexual....the rest of the time it means to "question". It isn't til the Christian bibles, particularly the KJV does it take on sexual tones. What if the men of Sodom just wanted to question the strangers? Not quite as interesting and evil sounding, is it?
saintmichaeldefendthem
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If you want to eat something that spends its life eating shit, then vaya con dios. God told his followers it was foul stuff so they wouldn't eat something bad for them. Oh the audacity!
Don't touch!
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