The hidden story of Christendom and Islam

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
 

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No doubt, Islam posed an existential threat to Christendom. It still does.

Certainly, modern academia has falsely and simplistically painted a picture Western Civilization's advancement in spite of a Church characterized as being vindictive, anti-science and imbued with leaders on par with Disney's greatest villains.

At the same time, I don't think it's fair to overlook the atrocities committed by the Crusaders in the Holy Land and en route.

Robert Payne wrote a very readable book on the Crusades called The Dream and the Tomb. It's fascinating history. I highly recommend it. I think it's a fair portrayal. At one point in the story, after a particularly gruesome violation of the codes of war by western armies, Saladin pledges that one day there would be a counter-Crusade of Muslims overtaking Europe. We see that happening before our eyes today, as every major European city's fastest growing population is the Muslim segment. White Europeans shirk the institution of marriage, and have few children. Muslim Europeans marry early and often end up with 7 kids or more.
 
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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Islam is the anti-Christ. I am not a zealot but generally Christian proudly. I am a sinner and don't fully understand my faith but I can plainly see Islam must and will be destroyed.
 

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In a simple sermon many centuries ago, Augustine said that the City of God is built with a temporary scaffolding. Ultimately, that scaffolding ( man's laws ) is to be removed. The endgame of Christianity is a harmonious anarchy.

I'm pagan. However, I do like to familiarize myself with the sacred texts of the world. A polytheist visits the shrines of many gods, including that of the Christian Incarnation.

What I would say about Christ is this; he rejected political power at every turn. That wasn't his bag, baby. He is tempted in the desert and rejects power over the whole world. Christ confused the Baptist when He visited him in jail. The Baptist asked, "Are we to wait for another?" The Baptist could not understand why Jesus was not to be like a new and improved Maccabee who would overthrow Roman governance. All the apostles constantly got this confused as well. They didn't really see the light until the Pentecost. Jesus submits himself to the cross and commends his spirit.

Mohammad is no lamb.

Jesus said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and to give unto God what is God's. That right there is the basis for the separation of Church and State within Christendom. I realize that some Christians vote along religious lines, and would like our laws to align perfectly with the fundamental teachings of their denomination. But that isn't something that's baked into Christianity as it is in Islam.

Rewind to the OT, and you'll find an undercurrent of distrust of the political system-- the Babylon System as Bob Marley would say. God is disappointed when the Jews continually ask for a King. They got some bad ones, and even David is portrayed as highly imperfect.

An essential tenet of Islam is the inseparability of religion (din) and state ( dawla ). Islam is inherently political. From a Muslim perspective, Islam and the State are one.

"The Muslim theologian was not weighted down by that typically Christian feeling that power is sinful in itself and that its exercise calls for an explanation, not only, but an apology. On the contrary, the community and their spokesmen realized from the very beginning that Islam could not be perfected unless within an Islamic political organization whose maintenance and advancement were, to say the least, a prerequisite to the service of God, if they did not in themselves constitute such a service…in our own time Muhammad Rashid Rida (d. 1935) has reaffirmed the inseparability of Islam as a religion and Islam as a political entity by stating that Islam is not fully in being as long as there does not exist a strong and independent Muslim state that is able to put into operation the laws of Islam."
-Von Grunebaum
 

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Whereas all Christianity ever did was lead the entire planet to its doom via climate change. :)
 

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Whereas all Christianity ever did was lead the entire planet to its doom via climate change
Be afraid. Global warming could jump through the window at any moment and shank us.
I live far enough inland I'm not worried about rising sea levels, or stronger hurricanes. :) But some 60% of the planet's population lives close enough to the oceans it's a problem for them.
 
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I guess you can call me a Deist for lack of a better term.

Something in my gut tells me we are nearing a critical time in human history. A time when religious divisions will outweigh political and we will find ourselves involved in major conflicts over religious tenets.

I wrote (and am rewriting) a novel based on the premise that magic exists but is something beyond our current understanding. It also deals with so-called Gods actually being a superior race.

It will be interesting - and perhaps terrifying - to see what comes.
 

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I guess you can call me a Deist for lack of a better term.

Something in my gut tells me we are nearing a critical time in human history. A time when religious divisions will outweigh political and we will find ourselves involved in major conflicts over religious tenets.

I wrote (and am rewriting) a novel based on the premise that magic exists but is something beyond our current understanding. It also deals with so-called Gods actually being a superior race.

It will be interesting - and perhaps terrifying - to see what comes.
I think our primary divisions will be conflicts over resources, especially water.

If you look at the ME, you've got Kurds, Persians and Arabs (and others). Political parties on the continent of Africa break down precisely along ethnic lines. Japan vs China vs Philippines is an ethnic competition. Political parties in India are drawn ethnically. Strife in Mexico and S.America can be defined ethnically. World conflict is a product of Darwinian action and counter action where genetic factions compete for resources.

On a tertiary level, we see religious divisions. These tend to get the headlines. They're more of a symptom that a root cause.
 

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Ontology is the study of being or becoming. I think of it as a process of coming into being. As I like to say, man is not yet man.

Take the becoming of an individual, for example;

Sperm and egg unite.
Separation of birth.
Bonding with mother.
Terrible twos.
Worship of parents.
Teenage angst.
Marriage.
7 year itch.
Marriage redefined.
Death.
Afterlife—reabsorbing of matter into Mother Earth. Reabsorbing of soul into Great Spirit.

Ontology, therefore, is a spiraling process of separation and union. Let’s look at the journey of Western Civilization over the course of two millenia;

Pax Romana. Roman world government.
Fall of the Roman Empire.
Holy Roman Empire. Christendom.
Dark Ages.
Renaissance.
Pan-European Civil War.
Colonialism.
WWI and WWII
Globalism. Pax Americana.

Ontology on a mass scale also follows this spiraling pattern of separation and reunion. You might conclude that we’re eventually headed for true world government. I would say we’re entering a period of decoupling from globalism. Former colonies and nations drawn up in the aftermath of the world wars are in a state of chaos. America is eventually going to need to confront its own issues, perhaps by reverting to economic nationalism and protectionism. Europe is confronted with the Ukrainian issue, Greece, cultural transformation, the suicidal 5th Act of democratic socialism. The entire oil market is disrupted.

Something in my gut tells me we are nearing a critical time in human history.
I feel we've entered a time of decoupling from globalism.
 

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Whereas all Christianity ever did was lead the entire planet to its doom via climate change. :)
Not the entire planet, just the civilisation we are used to. In any case it has happened before, at the end of the last ice age the ice melted and flooded all the lowlands. Britain was connected to Europe then but the land between was submerged.
 

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Do you know the history of christianity? Very similar to islam when we were only 500 years old and outnumbered.

So if you know Islam is a load of crap, how do you not realize christianity is too?
 
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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Do you know the history of christianity? Very similar to islam when we were only 500 years old and outnumbered.

So if you know Islam is a load of crap, how do you not realize christianity is too?
Because, unlike you, I live in the NOW and not the past!

What happened a thousand or so years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the millions suffering in poverty and ignorance TODAY because of a cult that wants to keep them ignorant and subservient.
 

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Do you know the history of christianity? Very similar to islam when we were only 500 years old and outnumbered.

So if you know Islam is a load of crap, how do you not realize christianity is too?
Because, unlike you, I live in the NOW and not the past!

What happened a thousand or so years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the millions suffering in poverty and ignorance TODAY because of a cult that wants to keep them ignorant and subservient.
Are you talking about christianity? Sounds like what I say about christianity.
 

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Do you know the history of christianity?
I get the impression you've never studied Thomas Merton, you've never contemplated the Christian philosophies of Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy or Victor Hugo. You have no clue what scriptural exegesis and hermeneutics are. Aquinas, Kant, Kierkegaard? You're completely unable to recognize the Christian themes in contemporary literature right in front of your nose.
That's my impression.
 

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I know this article will be wasted on everyone who goes out of their way to defend Islam – and our current president – but I'll post it anyway.


This paragraph nicely summarized the truth:


In short, for roughly one millennium—punctuated by a Crusader-rebuttal that the modern West is obsessed with demonizing—Islam daily posed an existential threat to Christian Europe and by extension Western civilization.

Read the full well-thought-out article @ The hidden story of Christendom and Islam Human Events
Genesis 16:11-12 The angel of the LORD said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

Prophecy fulfilled.
 

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Excellent article------
PS-----I consider Karen Armstrong to be a
traitorious bitch----in fact----dangerous
 

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Do you know the history of christianity?
I get the impression you've never studied Thomas Merton, you've never contemplated the Christian philosophies of Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy or Victor Hugo. You have no clue what scriptural exegesis and hermeneutics are. Aquinas, Kant, Kierkegaard? You're completely unable to recognize the Christian themes in contemporary literature right in front of your nose.
That's my impression.
There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those other texts, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimize it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature. The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.


There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artifacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived. All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. Possibly deliberately. The Gospels themselves contradict one-another on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. Maybe more. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and is factually incorrect on several historical claims. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.

The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and texts and many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.
 

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boo boo regarding Jesus---you have so flamboyantly
overstate your case-----that you have rendered yourself
a moron
 

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There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those other texts, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimize it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature. The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.


There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artifacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived. All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. Possibly deliberately. The Gospels themselves contradict one-another on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. Maybe more. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and is factually incorrect on several historical claims. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.

The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and texts and many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.
Nice copy and paste.

I was reading a bit of my Jerome's Bible Commentary last night. It's the standard Catholic commentary used by Catholic bible scholars. It points out many inconsistencies, and where two authors are clumsily fused into one passage, and how certain elements of the Noah or Abraham stories originate in Babylon or from the Chaldeans, or what have you. It describes the 4 authors of the book of Genesis, their traits and proclivities.

You're missing the entire point. I suspect you lack the capacity to grasp the point. The Bible is not a historical document. It's not even a book. It's the closest thing we have to a library containing the mythological heritage of Western Civilization. Tolstoy got it. Victor Hugo understood, that the bible is a mirror held up to the human psyche ( or soul).

It's like I wrote in my Noah thread, about how there really was a flood 74,000 years ago, a flood of ash created by the super-explosion of Mt Toba. 6 years of nuclear winter ensued and man was nearly extincted. That vestigial memory is contained in the Bible. It's not described literally, but it is there.

Hugo's Les Miserables is a timeless fiction illustrating the current of Divine Providence that subtly intercedes at critical times in the history of the world and the in the journey of personal lives. It's a story of crisis, failure, love, hope and redemption. It illustrates the covalent relationship between individual and collective progress. Like Javert, you see logic and human law as the highest ideals of man. Hugo uses animal imagery to describe Javert. In the end, it is difficult to feel anything other than pity for Javert.

You don't get it. You can't get it. And virtually every book in the bible explains your condition.
 

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