The "Hasbara" claim to the posts here~ a question

[Daniyel]

And its got nothing to do with media coverage, these animals you protect killing Israelis and Palestinians, believe it or not they do, I know you also believe its the Jews fault for the holocaust but of course once you stated you support Hamas its obvious you are just another anti-semite with Nazi ideologies supporting all who try to kill Jews.

 

[Daniyel]

Your 'Anti-War' ideology is probably in a world ruled by ISIS or Nazis, I'm sick of frauds like you.

 

[Penelope]

So nothing, Israel has given nothing at all. And Hamas is suppose to be ok with that? You have one child die and they have hundreds.

 

[aris2chat]

So are you calling me a Hag- short for Hagar I presume ? I think most of us here know what is going on, if not enlighten us. You can't keep killing children ! There is no where to bomb that are without kids. I am not a fan of Hamas but I understand their point. Israel is unwilling to give an inch. What have they (your gov.) given in the talks so far??

If Hamas want to declare war on Israel and bomb them with scores of rockets into civilian areas, knowing that Hamas knows the capability of Israel's proposed retaliation, why does Hamas force civilians to stay in the vicinity when they know that rocket launchers and rocket stores in Gaza will be targeted?

First because the more the death count, the more it hurts Israel's reputation.
The people of gaza are expendable if it serves the "greater good" for hamas and the palestinian cause. It might take another century, or more, but for the palestinians/hamas it will be worth the sacrifice of the martyrs/victims. People can be replaced, fighters will be drawn to the cause. A hudna is just a chance to regroup and possibly move weapons and ammo to a new location. To bury the dead and energize the people against Israel. An opportunity to plead/feed their case to the press for their needs/demands which everyone knows would put Israel's security at risk.
Hamas' attacks might hurt more than harm Israel, it is for effect to make Israel respond in such a way that makes Israel look like the bully, but that risks fewer Israeli lives, both soldier and civilian. Israel is not going to enter a knife fight with a butter knife when Hamas is using a steak knife. Israel will just pull a gun rather than endanger the Israel life. If hamas throws the knife, the Israel will be wearing a Kevlar vest. You use a tank if you think you will be attacked with Molotov cocktails or mortars. You go armed to the teeth prepared for what ever comes at you. You don't play a game, you look to end it with more force, better skills. If they want to talk, you will have the upper hand to make them lower their demand while haggling. Hamas does not want to haggle, just make unacceptable demands that would put Israel more at risk.

 

[Daniyel]

So nothing, Israel has given nothing at all. And Hamas is suppose to be ok with that? You have one child die and they have hundreds.

Its not one, its hundreds killed and thousands of injured, entire regions larger than Gaza with three times larger population oppressed by Hamas.
1. Israel always tried to negotiate, failed? ask the Palestinians why, not Israel.
2.Still doesn't justify violence.
3.ONE INNOCENT CHILD OVER DOZENS OF TERRORISTS.
4.Israel gave so much to the Palestinians and they gave NOTHING, Israel did, the Palestinians DID NOT.
I hope this is easier for you to understand, you twisted every each fact, but that's okie, you're a victim to your newspapers.
One child dies, is probably doesn't mean anything for you, think what could have happen if that was YOUR child killed for nothing.

 

[flacaltenn]

Interesting OP... If that's what's bugging you bunky -- let's chat.. I'll just take your pledge verbatim.. Do you mind?

I will and can always say that I post only from what I personally have researched. I am not paid nor influenced by anybody to post what I do. I challenge anyone else to be able to say the same with credulity.

Now as far as my board personna, I've posted on other boards with this name and before then as lrwrwc. Dont even try to factor the meaning of lrwrwc.. .

And here's why I'm not concerned about any paid professional propaganda shills on THIS forum or elsewhere. They are a very BAD investment. You'll notice at USMB -- the general community rarely visits the IP forum. It's a genuine clash of a small group of people who have opinions on the topics. So if we were all shills, it would be as effective as having a Crime Trade Show with the majority of the attendees being from Federal and local law enforcement. I wouldn't give a nickel for the level of BAD information and denial that exists in this forum. Hearts and minds don't come cheap...

 

[Penelope]

Your 'Anti-War' ideology is probably in a world ruled by ISIS or Nazis, I'm sick of frauds like you.

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

 

[Daniyel]

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

 

[Penelope]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.[/QUOTE]

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

 

[Daniyel]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.[/QUOTE]
Its not about land, and its not something that happens once in a while or a massive war, its a continually on-going campaign for weakening Israel, and it must be stopped.
Ask yourself what Iran have against Israel..


Ask yourself what the rest of the Arabs actually have against Israel..

 

[RoccoR]

Penelope, et al,

I agree that the entire conflict is a mess and completely fouled-up political landscape. This is a dispute between two entities, each claiming to be the victim of the other; with side dead sure of their right.

Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

(COMMENT)

I try to stay as far away from domestic and internal politics as I can; whether it be Israeli Politics or Palestinian Politics. Personally, I think that both sides have a leadership deficit in which they need an infusion of new blood. But not being either Israeli or Palestinian, I can only comment clinically about the positions they take from a more sterile international perspective. The people chose who the people chose. They each made a choice among an array of options and leaders. And as I said, there are consequences.

I don't necessarily agree with the directions the last few Prime Ministers (and the Knesset) have taken. But that is "their" decision to make. Just as I don't agree with most of the Policies expressed by the Palestinian PM (PA Executive Council), or any other Palestinian Leaders Model (eg HAMAS of the PIJ). But the people chose who the people chose. They both need to get a little more realistic.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

So are you calling me a Hag- short for Hagar I presume ? I think most of us here know what is going on, if not enlighten us. You can't keep killing children ! There is no where to bomb that are without kids. I am not a fan of Hamas but I understand their point. Israel is unwilling to give an inch. What have they (your gov.) given in the talks so far??

If Hamas want to declare war on Israel and bomb them with scores of rockets into civilian areas, knowing that Hamas knows the capability of Israel's proposed retaliation, why does Hamas force civilians to stay in the vicinity when they know that rocket launchers and rocket stores in Gaza will be targeted?

First get it right, 3 teens missing, Israel invades Palestine, arrests over 450, kills 9, and loots money and jewelry in pretense of looking for these teens, so get that right, Palestine never declared war on Israel, and we do not know for sure who killed those boys.

Yes they should send a note over to Israel Minister of Defense (whatever he is called) and tell them , hey bomb in the south east area, that is where we are at.

Maybe they can toss the children in the sea or throw them over that what 30' high fence. Right.

Tell me why Hamas never made a demand for exchange for prisoners for those teens which is what your PM said they would do. Tell me why 10 days before those teens were kidnapped they were talking about a bill in your gov about what they would do if asked for an exchange of kidnapped victims for prisoners. One says the deputy or someone " what would we do if 3 -14 year old girls were kidnapped, would we say we don't exchange prisoners for kidnapped victims? Sure enough 3 teens kidnapped 10 days later. Right away they then state there was a passenger in the car, how in the heck would they know that? Do or don't they have cameras in that popular place where teens are known to hitch hike?

I'm not one who believes in a lot of coincidences.

Rockets were falling on Israel for months before the kidnapping and murder of the three teens. You weren't on this forum to see all the news about the Code Reds in Israel, and others wondering here why Israel wasn't retaliating.

What do you mean, there's nowhere to bomb without kids. Israel are targeting weapons stores and Hamas. The families and kids should not be around Hamas. Why are Hamas firing from civilian areas? There's plenty of open uninhabited space for Hamas to fire from. Hamas use human shields wherever they can.

Where are Hamas suppose to go, its the most densly pop. place on earth they say. Rockets falling for months, where is the source for this news.

Another stupid post from Penelope,
1.'Where are Hamas suppose to go' doesn't mean they suppose to shot rockets or do anything violent.
Anti-war advocate should know that.
2.'Rockets falling for months' - Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Since Wikipedia is a 'Israeli media controlled open source' feel free to verify each and every rocket attack on the news, using Google.
3.'Densely populated' area shouldn't be a war zone in the first place, Hamas&co. continually fire rockets from this area, knowingly Israel would retaliate, Hebrew saying "think on the end before you begin" - its not Israel fault they didn't evacuate their people or made any step to secure their safety, Israel did all precautions and beyond, they hide among civilians, their fault.

Oh I'm sure Israel has been angels sinc

Any kind of assault/violence must be completely eradicated, later on you can negotiate and talk, trying to kill another 4 years old kid because they want to drive all non-Muslims from Israel is not a justified reason, and for that the penalty is death, and better be a quick one.

Like the bomb murdered the 4 year old boy, yes read the bomb murdered the 4 year old , what was he doing there. A Bomb does not murder but a bomb can kill. The wording yous use, like they aimed the bomb at the 4 year old.

Any kind of assault/violence must be completely eradicated, later on you can negotiate and talk,

and that is why I do not believe Hamas has been firing rockets since Jan, you would of been firing back, any chance you get your going to attack.

Your papers can't even keep their lies straight.

Now what has your gov. given in the talks. What has Israel given, anything at all?

Penelope you are completely misunderstanding what we are trying to tell you.
It's very simple: DON'T attack Israel and Israel won't retaliate.

 

[Penelope]

Penelope, et al,

I agree that the entire conflict is a mess and completely fouled-up political landscape. This is a dispute between two entities, each claiming to be the victim of the other; with side dead sure of their right.

Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

(COMMENT)

I try to stay as far away from domestic and internal politics as I can; whether it be Israeli Politics or Palestinian Politics. Personally, I think that both sides have a leadership deficit in which they need an infusion of new blood. But not being either Israeli or Palestinian, I can only comment clinically about the positions they take from a more sterile international perspective. The people chose who the people chose. They each made a choice among an array of options and leaders. And as I said, there are consequences.

I don't necessarily agree with the directions the last few Prime Ministers (and the Knesset) have taken. But that is "their" decision to make. Just as I don't agree with most of the Policies expressed by the Palestinian PM (PA Executive Council), or any other Palestinian Leaders Model (eg HAMAS of the PIJ). But the people chose who the people chose. They both need to get a little more realistic.

Most Respectfully,
R

That was a very good post and wise suggestions, as both sides seem to be very bull headed. Who is suffering the children and people.

 

[Penelope]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

Don't you think this Pres. is better? I do know everytime I see PM Bibi on he talks about Iran.



Iran’s Hassan Rouhani donates $400,000 to Tehran Jewish hospital
The surprise donation is the latest example of Rouhani’s departure from the anti-Semitism of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-hassan-rouhani-donates-400-000-tehran-jewish-hospital-article-1.1605614#ixzz3BGO1CjRe
Iran s Hassan Rouhani donates 400 000 to Tehran Jewish hospital - NY Daily News

 

[aris2chat]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

Don't you think this Pres. is better? I do know everytime I see PM Bibi on he talks about Iran.



Iran’s Hassan Rouhani donates $400,000 to Tehran Jewish hospital
The surprise donation is the latest example of Rouhani’s departure from the anti-Semitism of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-hassan-rouhani-donates-400-000-tehran-jewish-hospital-article-1.1605614#ixzz3BGO1CjRe
Iran s Hassan Rouhani donates 400 000 to Tehran Jewish hospital - NY Daily News

Jewish hospital serves everyone. It is simply a donation to a hospital, one I expect is among the best there.

 

[Daniyel]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

Don't you think this Pres. is better? I do know everytime I see PM Bibi on he talks about Iran.



Iran’s Hassan Rouhani donates $400,000 to Tehran Jewish hospital
The surprise donation is the latest example of Rouhani’s departure from the anti-Semitism of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-hassan-rouhani-donates-400-000-tehran-jewish-hospital-article-1.1605614#ixzz3BGO1CjRe
Iran s Hassan Rouhani donates 400 000 to Tehran Jewish hospital - NY Daily News

Iran is not the subject dummy, Iran is the example of hatred to Israel although we never had any conflict.
Yet again you stick to the least important part of my post.
=
Its not about land, and its not something that happens once in a while or a massive war, its a continually on-going campaign for weakening Israel, and it must be stopped.
Ask yourself what Iran have against Israel..


Ask yourself what the rest of the Arabs actually have against Israel..

 

[Penelope]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

Don't you think this Pres. is better? I do know everytime I see PM Bibi on he talks about Iran.



Iran’s Hassan Rouhani donates $400,000 to Tehran Jewish hospital
The surprise donation is the latest example of Rouhani’s departure from the anti-Semitism of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-hassan-rouhani-donates-400-000-tehran-jewish-hospital-article-1.1605614#ixzz3BGO1CjRe
Iran s Hassan Rouhani donates 400 000 to Tehran Jewish hospital - NY Daily News

Iran is not the subject dummy, Iran is the example of hatred to Israel although we never had any conflict.
Yet again you stick to the least important part of my post.
=
Its not about land, and its not something that happens once in a while or a massive war, its a continually on-going campaign for weakening Israel, and it must be stopped.
Ask yourself what Iran have against Israel..


Ask yourself what the rest of the Arabs actually have against Israel..

Possibly because you have a fence around people and are like their warden, I have to tell you, I would be digging a tunnel myself to get out, I would probably carry a rifle as well. I am not for violence but I am not going to be penned up like an animal, because I'd become one. So possibly that or

I don't know, why are you after Assad? I know darn well we supplied rebels with weapons to fight him, what is wrong with Assad. He was voted in.

Who are you friends with there? Jordan, I guess your PM like the their Pres and would like to see them advance into Iraq. What is he a Hasminite or something like that.

I know your PM and Putin are getting close, Putin just passed a law making it a crime to deny the H.

Why do you think the Arabs do not like you? (Please do not say jealousy)

 

[teddyearp]

Tell me why 10 days before those teens were kidnapped they were talking about a bill in your gov about what they would do if asked for an exchange of kidnapped victims for prisoners. One says the deputy or someone " what would we do if 3 -14 year old girls were kidnapped, would we say we don't exchange prisoners for kidnapped victims? Sure enough 3 teens kidnapped 10 days later.

I would like to know your source for this information, even though it is off topic.

 

[Penelope]

Tell me why 10 days before those teens were kidnapped they were talking about a bill in your gov about what they would do if asked for an exchange of kidnapped victims for prisoners. One says the deputy or someone " what would we do if 3 -14 year old girls were kidnapped, would we say we don't exchange prisoners for kidnapped victims? Sure enough 3 teens kidnapped 10 days later.

I would like to know your source for this information, even though it is off topic.

Bill to limit prisoner releases may make it harder for Israel to free kidnapped teens JPost Israel News
I can't find where he says well if 2-14 year old girls get kidnapped what will we say, .......
they must of removed it. Ask Daniyel , I bet he read it.

 

[Daniyel]

ISIS are jihadist, radical Muslims, a nd this is not a post about WWII. In a way I feel bad for the mess you got yourself into. I see no way out of the mess your in, except to learn to live with it, I mean them.

You mean with the other radical Muslims you fancies? I'm pretty good with M4/Glo17/J941/Krav Maga/Systema/Cavalier and I got wide military experience.

Well you may have to boot back up , it may come to that. I imagine those are rifles. Its a sad thing, I wish there was more land there, but there is only so much to go around and they have large families. Pretty soon there wont be any land left, Maybe if you take the fence down , some will move away? I can't see how either of you, Israel or Palestine can continue on this way. Maybe the fault lies with your PM, he seems like a war monger.

Don't you think this Pres. is better? I do know everytime I see PM Bibi on he talks about Iran.



Iran’s Hassan Rouhani donates $400,000 to Tehran Jewish hospital
The surprise donation is the latest example of Rouhani’s departure from the anti-Semitism of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-hassan-rouhani-donates-400-000-tehran-jewish-hospital-article-1.1605614#ixzz3BGO1CjRe
Iran s Hassan Rouhani donates 400 000 to Tehran Jewish hospital - NY Daily News

Iran is not the subject dummy, Iran is the example of hatred to Israel although we never had any conflict.
Yet again you stick to the least important part of my post.
=
Its not about land, and its not something that happens once in a while or a massive war, its a continually on-going campaign for weakening Israel, and it must be stopped.
Ask yourself what Iran have against Israel..


Ask yourself what the rest of the Arabs actually have against Israel..

Possibly because you have a fence around people and are like their warden, I have to tell you, I would be digging a tunnel myself to get out, I would probably carry a rifle as well. I am not for violence but I am not going to be penned up like an animal, because I'd become one. So possibly that or

I don't know, why are you after Assad? I know darn well we supplied rebels with weapons to fight him, what is wrong with Assad. He was voted in.

Who are you friends with there? Jordan, I guess your PM like the their Pres and would like to see them advance into Iraq. What is he a Hasminite or something like that.

I know your PM and Putin are getting close, Putin just passed a law making it a crime to deny the H.

Why do you think the Arabs do not like you? (Please do not say jealousy)

Putin also said that if minorities prefer Shari'a law then he advise them to go to a place where this is the law, Russia doesn't need minorities but minorities needs Russia, but Russia won't change the law to fit them and their desires, no matter how loud they'll scream 'discrimination'
Those Arab minorities can play with the US, Europe, Israel..but I challenge them to play with Russia.
And the fact Russia fought the Nazis and people -like you?- denying parts of history..well I don't think you would be welcome anywhere keeping that attitude of twisting facts and Nazi ideology for your own goals and desires.
The reason Palestinians are not part of Israel is undisputed whether you like it and believe it or not.
You still miss the point, they are not locked inside, they simply cannot enter Israel that's all, and if they become violent so be it, they will face justice for that, nobody lock them in there ,they are always free to leave anywhere else except Israel, but they choose to stay and try to takeover Israel from the inside, Israel faced threats since 48 and even now, we are not afraid from a long road, and once you take rifle and attempt to shot us, you'll end up dead Penelope, sorry but we won't let you shot us again.

Israel been blamed for creating ISIS, for Helping Assad, for Ruling Syria, and for not being involved with Syria, I have no idea what your position about Assad, but the general opinion in Israel goes for 'Better the snake you know' so unless you got a real ground for any accusation feel free, or else just shut up.

I know that once ISIS is reaching the Jordanian borders IDF will join the Jordanian forces (beyond the intelligence co-op) physically to fight against the terrorists posing threat to the entire region, Israel and Jordan are neighbors what the hell are you trying to say?

Arab Muslims been very offensive to Israel since the beginning of time, jealously is what caused Cain to kill Habel in the bible, so ancient I have no idea why precisely, envy must take place all across history, and today, all hatred begins with it, religious radicalism does.