The Greeks were Commies!

[ihopehefails]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

 

[MIPS]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

IMHO the world was just a bit different when Plato wrote The Republic and the Greeks during the time of Plato weren't operating under anything that could even be remotely construed as socialism. If Plato were around today I seriously doubt he would approve of the modern concept of socialism nor would Thomas Moore (also cited occasionally for his "contributions" to socialism via Utopia ) since both were engaging in flights of fancy based on the times in which they found themselves while writing their most notable works and both knew it.

Crediting Plato with "contributions" to modern socialism is like crediting the caveman who first learned to tame fire with "contributions" to the development of the atomic bomb.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

 

[ihopehefails]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

 

[MIPS]

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

Ummmm... that's fairly typical in MODERN societies as well.

 

[MIPS]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

I wouldn't worry about it ihopehefails, IMHO you asked a good question in your OP, nothing wrong with it.

 

[Charles Stucker]

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

Ummmm... that's fairly typical in MODERN societies as well.

Perhaps I was unclear - the ONLY aspects of Greek society which were even vaguely socialist were those in the lowest levels. As your post should make clear, reading anything more than a nigh universal willingness to help your kin and neighbors is ludicrous.

 

[Xenophon]

Interestingly the current greeks are near communist, and are completly bankrupt.

 

[MIPS]

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

Ummmm... that's fairly typical in MODERN societies as well.

Perhaps I was unclear - the ONLY aspects of Greek society which were even vaguely socialist were those in the lowest levels. As your post should make clear, reading anything more than a nigh universal willingness to help your kin and neighbors is ludicrous.

I understand where you're coming from, makes sense.

 

[beowolfe]

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

Ummmm... that's fairly typical in MODERN societies as well.

Perhaps I was unclear - the ONLY aspects of Greek society which were even vaguely socialist were those in the lowest levels. As your post should make clear, reading anything more than a nigh universal willingness to help your kin and neighbors is ludicrous.

I would guess it would depend on how you think of 'Greek Society'. If you're thinking only Athens, then your observations have merit. However, if you're also thinking of Sparta, then you missed the mark badly.

 

[Charles Stucker]

I would guess it would depend on how you think of 'Greek Society'. If you're thinking only Athens, then your observations have merit. However, if you're also thinking of Sparta, then you missed the mark badly.

You mean the Spartans who used Helots, which is to say, slaves to do the work while the upper class, the Spartan men, lived only for war?
Sound classist, not socialist to me.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Has anyone ever read about the Greeks and Plato's contribution to socialism?

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

You started your thread with the statement that the Greeks were commies and then asked your question which to me indicated that you had actually read something Greek to lead you to that conclusion.....my mistake and I will completely ignore any statement you make from now on knowing that you are full of shit and are just beating your gums.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea the Greeks went Socialist/Communist awhile back. Now they're broke and their Welfare leaches are rioting in the streets. Might not get their Welfare Checks this month so now they're panicking and throwing violent temper tantrums. Greece is a horrific Socialist/Communist mess at this point. Lets stop our Socialists here from destroying our country the same way. Make 2010 count people.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Yea the Greeks went Socialist/Communist awhile back. Now they're broke and their Welfare leaches are rioting in the streets. Might not get their Welfare Checks this month so now they're panicking and throwing violent temper tantrums. Greece is a horrific Socialist/Communist mess at this point. Lets stop our Socialists here from destroying our country the same way. Make 2010 count people.

apparently you haven't had a close look at the USA after the right-wingers you support (GOP) had their way with the country for 8 years.

 

[MIPS]

Yea the Greeks went Socialist/Communist awhile back. Now they're broke and their Welfare leaches are rioting in the streets. Might not get their Welfare Checks this month so now they're panicking and throwing violent temper tantrums. Greece is a horrific Socialist/Communist mess at this point. Lets stop our Socialists here from destroying our country the same way. Make 2010 count people.

apparently you haven't had a close look at the USA after the right-wingers you support (GOP) had their way with the country for 8 years.

Leave it to the partisans to fuck up a perfectly good thread, sheesh do you guys EVER take a break? aren't there enough "our guys good, your guys bad" threads for you to pollute with your nonsense?

 

[ihopehefails]

the real question here is have you ever read anything that Plato wrote.... or for that matter anything any Greek wrote my big fat Greek troll?

No. THat is why I asked on the board. My question is if you can read since I clearly stated a question in the OP which implies I don't know what Plato wrote.

You started your thread with the statement that the Greeks were commies and then asked your question which to me indicated that you had actually read something Greek to lead you to that conclusion.....my mistake and I will completely ignore any statement you make from now on knowing that you are full of shit and are just beating your gums.

Don't you know anything? Its called flamebate...sheesh

 

[ihopehefails]

The aspects of "socialism" which could have been found among the Greeks were found at the lowest levels; extended families and small villages where people helped each other out. Which is fairly typical of all pre-modern societies.

Ummmm... that's fairly typical in MODERN societies as well.

Perhaps I was unclear - the ONLY aspects of Greek society which were even vaguely socialist were those in the lowest levels. As your post should make clear, reading anything more than a nigh universal willingness to help your kin and neighbors is ludicrous.

That was not but I read in this book that Plato suggested having an elightened elite guide society. It would make sure they were 'perfect' so that society would be perfect but the problem is who are are we electing to guide society and ain't those people just as rotten as the rest of humanity and if so why should we have any 'human' be the enlightened guardians?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Greeks are still Commies. That's why their Welfare leaches are rioting in the streets. They're desperately afraid they might have to actually work for their money again. That Welfare Check might not be in the mail this month. Rut Ro.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Yea the Greeks went Socialist/Communist awhile back. Now they're broke and their Welfare leaches are rioting in the streets. Might not get their Welfare Checks this month so now they're panicking and throwing violent temper tantrums. Greece is a horrific Socialist/Communist mess at this point. Lets stop our Socialists here from destroying our country the same way. Make 2010 count people.

apparently you haven't had a close look at the USA after the right-wingers you support (GOP) had their way with the country for 8 years.

Leave it to the partisans to fuck up a perfectly good thread, sheesh do you guys EVER take a break? aren't there enough "our guys good, your guys bad" threads for you to pollute with your nonsense?

go suck a dick...this is in the Forum called politics not the flamer zone.