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[EMH]

Climate change is dead

You can't even get the terminology right. Global Warming is dead.

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There is more gas trapped in Antarctic ice than there is in the atmosphere now. Melt that, release that back into the atmosphere, and you get 3-5 times current Surface Air Pressure, which is/was needed for all of the larger "flying dinosaurs" to actually get off the ground.

More gas/thicker atmosphere holds more of Sun's energy. Antarctica dumping no ice into oceans instead of 46 times the molecular H2O that the Mississippi River dumps into the Gulf, which is what it does now, warms oceans.


You come across as an ABSOLUTE MORON saying stuff like "Climate change is dead." Earth's climate does change. Sun and CO2 are completely eliminated as suspects when the question is

what caused Greenland to freeze while North America thawed?

 

[EMH]

You really are a moron.

Translation

CO2 FRAUD won't accept the irrefutable truth of the actual data on the subject....

and, also, the EQUATION USED FOR IT...


which is CORRELATED WITH T meaning Temperature....

 

[ding]

Translation

CO2 FRAUD won't accept the irrefutable truth of the actual data on the subject....

and, also, the EQUATION USED FOR IT...


which is CORRELATED WITH T meaning Temperature....

The translation is that you are an idiot.

 

[EMH]

 

[EMH]

^^^^^

Link to a data chart I originally posted but can no longer find on line... (Co2 FRAUD hates it).


That data above shows a very slight down trend in Earth SAP indicating

1. cooling
2. net ice gain ongoing

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If that were true atmospheric CO2 wouldn't be rising and correlate to carbon emissions.

There's no possible way that CO2 is rising in response to warming temperatures, correct?

Your science has completely eliminated that as a possibility, correct?

CO2 is the one and only thing driving climate on planet Earth

 

[ding]

There's no possible way that CO2 is rising in response to warming temperatures, correct?

That's certainly part of it. But the correlation between temperature and atmospheric CO2 changed after the industrial revolution. So we know that the change is due to increased emissions. Mind you not all all of what man emits goes into the atmosphere. If we consider that the ocean is releasing CO2, less than half of man's emissions are ending up in the atmosphere.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the 1C per doubling of CO2 relationship? It's insignificant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

^^^^^

Link to a data chart I originally posted but can no longer find on line... (Co2 FRAUD hates it).


That data above shows a very slight down trend in Earth SAP indicating

1. cooling
2. net ice gain ongoing

That data above shows a very slight down trend in Earth SAP indicating

1. warming

 

[EMH]

That data above shows a very slight down trend in Earth SAP indicating

1. warming

LOL!!!

Are we going to get more "local weather" bullshit from you. The score is 3-0 in planets. All forms of air pressure are correlated with temperature.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

Are we going to get more "local weather" bullshit from you. The score is 3-0 in planets. All forms of air pressure are correlated with temperature.

Still waiting for you to get some temperature/surface air pressure data from anywhere.
Post every day for 6 months. Let's see how they're related.

Or run away again. Like a *****.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's certainly part of it. But the correlation between temperature and atmospheric CO2 changed after the industrial revolution. So we know that the change is due to increased emissions. Mind you not all all of what man emits goes into the atmosphere. If we consider that the ocean is releasing CO2, less than half of man's emissions are ending up in the atmosphere.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the 1C per doubling of CO2 relationship? It's insignificant.

After the "industrial revolution"? You mean in 1870, 1890, 1905 before the first oil strike?

You think we have accurate deep ocean temperatures from 1890? Because "warming" trapped (like a rat!) in the deep ocean is a large part of what makes up the imaginary 1C "increase"

I said it 100 million times, if doubling CO2 by itself at these rounding error readings can raise temp by 1C, SHOW US IN A LAB.

Just one time

 

[EMH]

Still waiting for you to get some temperature/surface air pressure data from anywhere.
Post every day for 6 months. Let's see how they're related.

Or run away again. Like a *****.

Actually your side claims Earth has warmed for 150+ years.

Here is the data that you cannot refute. Mars. Mars SAP goes up when Mars get closer to Sun.

Mars, Earth and Pluto all have increasing SAP when closer to Sun...

So, does a planet warm or cool when it gets closer to Sun?

 

[EMH]

After the "industrial revolution"? You mean in 1870, 1890, 1905 before the first oil strike?

You think we have accurate deep ocean temperatures from 1890? Because "warming" trapped (like a rat!) in the deep ocean is a large part of what makes up the imaginary 1C "increase"

I said it 100 million times, if doubling CO2 by itself at these rounding error readings can raise temp by 1C, SHOW US IN A LAB.

Just one time

If you shine IR at a glass jar filled with CO2 it warms.
If you shine microwave on water it warms.
If you shine UV on O3 it warms.

All gasses absorb some form of EM spectrum. IR is especially weak EM and hence doesn't even begin to matter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you shine IR at a glass jar filled with CO2 it warms.
If you shine microwave on water it warms.
If you shine UV on O3 it warms.

All gasses absorb some form of EM spectrum. IR is especially weak EM and hence doesn't even begin to matter.

If they just show us one single time how this magical 1C increase by doubling CO2 actually works in a lab.

 

[EMH]

If they just show us one single time how this magical 1C increase by doubling CO2 actually works in a lab.

The dynamics of Earth's atmosphere cannot be recreated in a lab. A lab can tell you the "static truth" that CO2 absorbs IR. That's always been "the proof of radiative physics" but it is not in context and lies about the actual atmosphere.

All gasses absorb some form of EM. When a molecule of gas absorbs one photon of EM, it warms a bit. Yawn.


In the actual atmosphere we have a wide variety of gasses all absorbing some part of the Sun's EM. O3 absorbs UV, 10k stronger than IR.

That's why IR and CO2 don't matter. They are 5 decimal points away from even beginning to matter...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually your side claims Earth has warmed for 150+ years.

Here is the data that you cannot refute. Mars. Mars SAP goes up when Mars get closer to Sun.

Mars, Earth and Pluto all have increasing SAP when closer to Sun...

So, does a planet warm or cool when it gets closer to Sun?

Now show the data for Earth.....*****.

 

[ding]

After the "industrial revolution"? You mean in 1870, 1890, 1905 before the first oil strike?

You think we have accurate deep ocean temperatures from 1890? Because "warming" trapped (like a rat!) in the deep ocean is a large part of what makes up the imaginary 1C "increase"

I said it 100 million times, if doubling CO2 by itself at these rounding error readings can raise temp by 1C, SHOW US IN A LAB.

Just one time

We have an excellent understanding of the temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere. The oceans and atmosphere are warming like they always do when the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is doing today. It's nothing new at all.

Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

Abstract. Together with the latent heat stored in glacial ice sheets, the ocean heat uptake carries the lion's share of glacial–interglacial changes in the planetary heat content, but little direct information on the global mean ocean temperature (MOT) is available to constrain the ocean...

cp.copernicus.org

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We have an excellent understanding of the temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere. The oceans and atmosphere are warming like they always do when the northern hemisphere deglaciates like it is doing today. It's nothing new at all.

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Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

Abstract. Together with the latent heat stored in glacial ice sheets, the ocean heat uptake carries the lion's share of glacial–interglacial changes in the planetary heat content, but little direct information on the global mean ocean temperature (MOT) is available to constrain the ocean...

cp.copernicus.org

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And the current northern hemisphere deglaciation is caused by CO2 since 1850?

 

[ding]

And the current northern hemisphere deglaciation is caused by CO2 since 1850?

No. It's cause by heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic which is warming the Arctic. In other words, ocean currents.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No. It's cause by heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic which is warming the Arctic. In other words, ocean currents.

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So it’s ocean currents and CO2?