Zone1 The Great Feminization-by Helen Andrews

[Lockback]

Again with deflection.

And motherhood is under attack from the left, not the right

100% correct. The Left hates motherhood and particularly stay-at-home motherhood.

 

[martybegan]

100% correct. The Left hates motherhood and particularly stay-at-home motherhood.

Zinc is going with the "any criticism of X is saying X is wrong/evil/bad/terrible/etc"

What the OP is saying and i agree with, is there has been over-correction/overreach.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Mao's wife had no power without Mao.

I guess the institution of motherhood is truly terrible. I mean, they have been in charge literally forever.
This is white basement dwelling incel bullshit.

I dont really see the issue here. It sounds like people who cant get laid and cant compete in the jobs market. I suspect the same people hate black folks as well. They oppose civil rights because they just cant compete. Descendents of the overseer class.

 

[martybegan]

I dont really see the issue here. It sounds like people who cant get laid and cant compete in the jobs market. I suspect the same people hate black folks as well. They oppose civil rights because they just cant compete. Descendents of the overseer class.

So more dismissal of the points made with standard lefty tropes.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So more dismissal of the points made with standard lefty tropes.

What points ? Institutions change over time ? Durrr!!!

 

[martybegan]

What points ? Institutions change over time ? Durrr!!!

You assume all changes in this case are for the better. Law based on empathy and feels are too interpretive for people to be able to follow properly and understand fully.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I dont really see the issue here. It sounds like people who cant get laid and cant compete in the jobs market. I suspect the same people hate black folks as well. They oppose civil rights because they just cant compete. Descendents of the overseer class.

I guess this means Ericka Kirk has to resign as CEO of Turning Point before she messes up that fine institution.
Which institution do women supposedly dominate and have feminized again that have fallen from Ye Days of Mighty?

 

[martybegan]

I guess this means Ericka Kirk has to resign as CEO of Turning Point before she messes up that fine institution.
Which institution do women supposedly dominate and have feminized again that have fallen from Ye Days of Mighty?

If you actually read the article, it doesn't talk about individual women, it talks about trends and how men and women as GROUPS get things done differently.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If you actually read the article, it doesn't talk about individual women, it talks about trends and how men and women as GROUPS get things done differently.

So no answer. No actual downside noted. Ok.

 

[Mac-7]

If you actually read the article, it doesn't talk about individual women, it talks about trends and how men and women as GROUPS get things done differently.

What feminazi women are getting done is getting rid of white men

 

[martybegan]

So no answer. No actual downside noted. Ok.

Yes, it talks about downsides. Did you actually read the article?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, it talks about downsides. Did you actually read the article?

I read the article in NYT. It was laughable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/opinion/helen-andrews-feminization-compact.html

What feminazi women are getting done is getting rid of white men

Now we get it, but of course its wrong. Women have been working since time immemorial. You are worried you can't compete on an even playing field. Got it.

 

[martybegan]

I read the article in NYT. It was laughable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/opinion/helen-andrews-feminization-compact.html

Now we get it, but of course its wrong. Women have been working since time immemorial. You are worried you can't compete on an even playing field. Got it.

No you read David French's response to said article.

Now read the actual article by the actual woman who wrote it and get back to me with your critiques.

 

[citygator]

This is an article currently making its way around the right leaning web. The gist of the article is that as women become the majority in certain professions and institutions, the way those professions and institutions function changes, and not for the better. The author sees wokeism not as socialist, but inherently feminine.

The Great Feminization

Some of the bigger points.

I’ve been a corporate executive for over 25 years, across multiple industries and organizational levels. The only real change I’ve seen is that the workplace has become more professional — less harassment, less profanity, and more accommodations for people’s lives outside of work so we can retain great talent.

Beyond that, the modern workplace is more efficient, informed, and productive than ever. The idea that “feminization” has made institutions weaker just doesn’t match reality. What’s actually happened is that professionalism and empathy have become part of good management — and those traits improve performance, not undermine it.

I had to look up the author. I see she has never led any organization and has never been in business. She is a right wing columnist who makes money by appealing to the right wing. Her major at Yale was religion. I see no expertise in organizations.

 

[martybegan]

I’ve been a corporate executive for over 25 years, across multiple industries and organizational levels. The only real change I’ve seen is that the workplace has become more professional — less harassment, less profanity, and more accommodations for people’s lives outside of work so we can retain great talent.

Beyond that, the modern workplace is more efficient, informed, and productive than ever. The idea that “feminization” has made institutions weaker just doesn’t match reality. What’s actually happened is that professionalism and empathy have become part of good management — and those traits improve performance, not undermine it.

I had to look up the author. I see she has never led any organization and has never been in business. She is a right wing columnist who makes money by appealing to the right wing. Her major at Yale was religion. I see no expertise in organizations.

You must be an HR person.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If you actually read the article, it doesn't talk about individual women, it talks about trends and how men and women as GROUPS get things done differently.

Just read it. Her argument is nonsensical. She is afraid for Law, yet apparently has never ever been around a female lawyer.
More importantly, which law firm or law school is she worried about? Bondi's DOJ?

The problem is that female modes of interaction are not well suited to accomplishing the goals of many major institutions. You can have an academia that is majority female, but it will be (as majority-female departments in today’s universities already are) oriented toward other goals than open debate and the unfettered pursuit of truth.
-Thats never been the case. University goals are money for research.
-Universities have had censorship issues since before there were universities. Remember the Red Scare? If you disagree be a professor who ticks off a major donor and tell us how it works out. In Texas, the governor has opened a line and is actively going after professors he disagrees with.

And if your academia doesn’t pursue truth, what good is it?
-They don't. What human interest bullshit is this? They pursue knowledge, and disseminate it to their students and the rest of society.

If your journalists aren’t prickly individualists who don’t mind alienating people, what good are they?
-Journalist used to not been college educated or wealthy.

If a business loses its swashbuckling spirit and becomes a feminized, inward-focused bureaucracy, will it not stagnate?
-Here is the key. most of the article actual complains about lawsuits companies have lost due to workplace discrimination. Um, yea. Ask your mom how work was like in the 1960s.

Again, the underlying article and argument is just pure bunk.

 

[citygator]

You must be an HR person.

Nope. I lead an organization in a large company that is data analysis. However, I'd argue every leader is an HR person. My critique stands.

 

[martybegan]

Just read it. Her argument is nonsensical. She is afraid for Law, yet apparently has never ever been around a female lawyer.
More importantly, which law firm or law school is she worried about? Bondi's DOJ?

The problem is that female modes of interaction are not well suited to accomplishing the goals of many major institutions. You can have an academia that is majority female, but it will be (as majority-female departments in today’s universities already are) oriented toward other goals than open debate and the unfettered pursuit of truth.
-Thats never been the case. University goals are money for research.
-Universities have had censorship issues since before there were universities. Remember the Red Scare? If you disagree be a professor who ticks off a major donor and tell us how it works out. In Texas, the governor has opened a line and is actively going after professors he disagrees with.

And if your academia doesn’t pursue truth, what good is it?
-They don't. What human interest bullshit is this? They pursue knowledge.

If your journalists aren’t prickly individualists who don’t mind alienating people, what good are they?
-Journalist used to not been college educated or wealthy.

If a business loses its swashbuckling spirit and becomes a feminized, inward-focused bureaucracy, will it not stagnate?
-Here is the key. most of the article actual complains about lawsuits companies have lost due to workplace discrimination. Um, yea. Ask your mom how work was like in the 1960s.

Again, the underlying article and argument is just pure bunk.

She is making valid points, despite your opinion otherwise.

Your reaction to it just emphasizes some of her points.

 

[martybegan]

Nope. I lead an organization in a large company that is data analysis. However, I'd argue every leader is an HR person. My critique stands.

If every leader is an HR person, companies would fail due to not being able to get anything done.

 

[skews13]

"he OP is saying that certain institutions and organizations lose their focus and their intent when feminized.

What "focus" and "intent" would that be?