The God of Abraham, as Described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran

[hangover]

Well...I think we can agree that they all follow a diety with some serious anger-management issues, not to mention a preference for virgins.

History is filled with stories of various sects that worship the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, The New Testament and / or The Koran abusing power. From The Crusades to the current Sunni on Shiite bullshit, it's a lot when it's attributed to one dysfunctional subset.

Religion revolving around the God of Abraham hasn't been all bad though... History's chock-full of accomplishments, made in no small part by organization inspired by worship. It was a Muslim sect that produced a number system way back when that has yet to need replacing.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk9Yt1PqQiw]10 Little Numbers - YouTube[/ame]

Islam has eschewed acquisition of knowledge for most of its history and, as it initially rose to power, from its origins, its first true milestone was the creation of "The Dark Ages". Burning every trace of western civilization's base of knowledge, except that which was managed to be stashed away and hidden by the Christian Monks who stored and cared for it. It was the Crusades which shoved them back, allowing that base of knowledge to be brought back into the light, as well as opening the trade routes that provided for the further pursuit of such.

One teeny tiny little clue in all of this is that Islam refered to Christians and Jews as "People of the Book". This identification came from its origins wherein the tribal nomads common to Islam were in possession of no 'books'. Their history and conveyances were exclusively spoken.

But the myths of Islam's gifts to humanity persist and are difficult to refute, having become conventional wisdom.

Islam is less a religion and more a religious ideology. Collective in its essence, subjective to its hollow core, it is a kissing cousin of and among the oldest living examples of socialism.

All religions are a "religious ideology".
Islam won the crusades, not the Christians, that's why there were so many of them. The Palestinians gave shelter to the Jews, and let them live in Jerusalem all those centuries, because the Christians were persecuting the Jews as heretics along with the Muslims. And now you see how they are repaid by Israel. Stolen land, by order of God. Pft!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Your psychobabble notwithstanding, he is correct.

They seem to be worshipping the same God upon close inspection, while acting as though only the one in their own personal Religion's text is true while the others are false.

It doesn't take much of an inspection at all for any objective observer to recognize that they ARE worshipping the same God.

It's not new.

It's never been a secret.

It's not something anyone has ever tried to hide. IT IS, like God himself: SELF EVIDENT.

The religious texts are true, where they were inspired by God. We can discern where those texts were inspired by God through the objectivity inherent in the text. The infinitely sound, objective reasoning.

This of course rules Islam out of that equation, as Islam is wholly subjective as such is designed to be precisely that. Given the subjective nature of Islam, we can also discern that Islam was established by Evil, as evil requires subjectivity to exist, with the more subjectivity being applied, the more evil thrives.

Understand?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

History is filled with stories of various sects that worship the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, The New Testament and / or The Koran abusing power. From The Crusades to the current Sunni on Shiite bullshit, it's a lot when it's attributed to one dysfunctional subset.

Religion revolving around the God of Abraham hasn't been all bad though... History's chock-full of accomplishments, made in no small part by organization inspired by worship. It was a Muslim sect that produced a number system way back when that has yet to need replacing.

10 Little Numbers - YouTube

Islam has eschewed acquisition of knowledge for most of its history and, as it initially rose to power, from its origins, its first true milestone was the creation of "The Dark Ages". Burning every trace of western civilization's base of knowledge, except that which was managed to be stashed away and hidden by the Christian Monks who stored and cared for it. It was the Crusades which shoved them back, allowing that base of knowledge to be brought back into the light, as well as opening the trade routes that provided for the further pursuit of such.

One teeny tiny little clue in all of this is that Islam refered to Christians and Jews as "People of the Book". This identification came from its origins wherein the tribal nomads common to Islam were in possession of no 'books'. Their history and conveyances were exclusively spoken.

But the myths of Islam's gifts to humanity persist and are difficult to refute, having become conventional wisdom.

Islam is less a religion and more a religious ideology. Collective in its essence, subjective to its hollow core, it is a kissing cousin of and among the oldest living examples of socialism.

All religions are a "religious ideology".

Islam won the crusades, not the Christians, that's why there were so many of them. The Palestinians gave shelter to the Jews, and let them live in Jerusalem all those centuries, because the Christians were persecuting the Jews as heretics along with the Muslims. And now you see how they are repaid by Israel. Stolen land, by order of God. Pft!

Nonsense.

Let me help ya through this HIGHLY complex equation:

Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy

Valid religion, merely observes the natural order, recognizes, respects, defends and adheres to those principles observed.

The Crusades were the end of the Islamic Caliphate. Waging a couple of dozen campaigns, the Crusades were minuscule by comparison to the Islamic Crusades which the Christian Crusades finally defended against. Islam murdered Ten of millions of innocent Christians and Jews in the push for the Caliphate.

As I said, Islam caused and maintained 'the Dark Ages'. Which they are working to the extent of their means to re-open, everywhere they're found.

But that is the nature of evil, so it serves reason.

 

[hortysir]

I believe all Religions are fraudulent.

And am not an atheist.

Any "organized" religion is only interested in self-preservation

 

[Unkotare]

God is God; in any monotheistic religion, holy book, or beyond all that. Throughout time and space different peoples have focused on different aspects of God and/or anthropomorphic representations of what in the end is beyond that. People of exceptional wisdom and insight have at times revealed important parts of a whole we can never expect to fully understand. Living by even small parts of the greatest good has brought peace, comfort, and charity to and among billions of the most violent, dangerous, and aggressive animal on earth.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I believe all Religions are fraudulent.

And am not an atheist.

Any "organized" religion is only interested in self-preservation

Any organization is primarily interested in self-preservation.



Evolution works...

WYGD? ​

 

[AVG-JOE]

God is God; in any monotheistic religion, holy book, or beyond all that. Throughout time and space different peoples have focused on different aspects of God and/or anthropomorphic representations of what in the end is beyond that. People of exceptional wisdom and insight have at times revealed important parts of a whole we can never expect to fully understand. Living by even small parts of the greatest good has brought peace, comfort, and charity to and among billions of the most violent, dangerous, and aggressive animal on earth.

If that's true then riddle me this: What makes Abraham such a special Monkey on the Timeline?

Why would such such a big God single out Abraham and his family of Jews?

Isn't it far more likely that the God of Abraham is Abraham's God, the God of Unkotare is Unkotare's God, and the God of AVG-JOE is AVG-JOE's God?



What the hell is the world's obsession with the God of Abraham?!?

`​

 

[Statistikhengst]

Guess posting 72 was just a little too overwhelming....

inundate them with information and watch their eyes glaze over....

 

[Unkotare]

God is God; in any monotheistic religion, holy book, or beyond all that. Throughout time and space different peoples have focused on different aspects of God and/or anthropomorphic representations of what in the end is beyond that. People of exceptional wisdom and insight have at times revealed important parts of a whole we can never expect to fully understand. Living by even small parts of the greatest good has brought peace, comfort, and charity to and among billions of the most violent, dangerous, and aggressive animal on earth.

If that's true then riddle me this: What makes Abraham such a special Monkey on the Timeline?

Why would such such a big God single out Abraham and his family of Jews?

Isn't it far more likely that the God of Abraham is Abraham's God, the God of Unkotare is Unkotare's God, and the God of AVG-JOE is AVG-JOE's God?



What the hell is the world's obsession with the God of Abraham?!?

`​

You quoted my post but you didn't read it.

 

[Intense]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Original sin?

Let me know when you get past blaming the Author of creation for what we do to ourselves and each other with the free will He gave us. I think you should buy a vowel. I like The Great Spirit perspective, too, while we are lumping everyone in together.

 

[AVG-JOE]

God is God; in any monotheistic religion, holy book, or beyond all that. Throughout time and space different peoples have focused on different aspects of God and/or anthropomorphic representations of what in the end is beyond that. People of exceptional wisdom and insight have at times revealed important parts of a whole we can never expect to fully understand. Living by even small parts of the greatest good has brought peace, comfort, and charity to and among billions of the most violent, dangerous, and aggressive animal on earth.

If that's true then riddle me this: What makes Abraham such a special Monkey on the Timeline?

Why would such such a big God single out Abraham and his family of Jews?

Isn't it far more likely that the God of Abraham is Abraham's God, the God of Unkotare is Unkotare's God, and the God of AVG-JOE is AVG-JOE's God?



What the hell is the world's obsession with the God of Abraham?!?

`​

You quoted my post but you didn't read it.

Sure I did, Brother... I just expounded on it, using it as a springboard to ask another question of the congregation at large.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Original sin?

Let me know when you get past blaming the Author of creation for what we do to ourselves and each other with the free will He gave us. I think you should buy a vowel. I like The Great Spirit perspective, too, while we are lumping everyone in together.

Indeed. The principle of original sin does not exist in all three religions.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Original sin?

Let me know when you get past blaming the Author of creation for what we do to ourselves and each other with the free will He gave us. I think you should buy a vowel. I like The Great Spirit perspective, too, while we are lumping everyone in together.

I don't blame the God of AVG-JOE for the ills of the world, but I do blame the followers of the God of Abraham for a lot of history's carnage.

God is God. I just seriously doubt that He singled out the family of Abraham 6,000 years ago. I think delusions of grandeur arose because of how Abraham's story survived our checkered history.

And The Word. was God.

 

[Newby]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Original sin?

Let me know when you get past blaming the Author of creation for what we do to ourselves and each other with the free will He gave us. I think you should buy a vowel. I like The Great Spirit perspective, too, while we are lumping everyone in together.

I don't blame the God of AVG-JOE for the ills of the world, but I do blame the followers of the God of Abraham for a lot of history's carnage.

God is God. I just seriously doubt that He singled out the family of Abraham 6,000 years ago. I think delusions of grandeur arose because of how Abraham's story survived our checkered history.

And The Word. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum was God.

Then you're foolish for doing so, people are people, with faults and imperfections, and are prone to use any scapegoat, i.e. being poor, abusive parents, religion, etc.. for their bad deeds. Human carnage has been about since the beginning and man and will be here until the end of man, because that is human nature. To blame it on one or another religious sect is just stupid and ill informed. The violent muslims of today are no different, they use their 'religion' as an excuse for violence and murder, it doesn't mean that their behavior is sanctioned by God, anymore than violence done in the past in the name of God by humans was sanctioned by God. You seemingly cannot seem to separate the acts of proclaimed followers of God, from God Himself, which is at the heart of your conundrum, if you truly even have one. I think you're just trolling and enjoying calling anyone of any religious faith as 'dysfunctional'. How you expect to get respect or honest discussion from anoyone when you're constantly insulting is a mystery. Either you're too stupid to see that, or you're just being a troll, and unfortunately I had thought you to be better than that. Guess I thought wrong. This is just a trool thread, and you've just repeated the same line thru the entire thing, wasting everyone's time for your own amusement. And you're saying that people of faith are all dysfunctional? Yeah, whatever Joe.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Original sin is a Catholic concoction not based in Scripture (like other things like the 7 Deadly Sins.) The first "sin" the Bible mentions is disobediance to G-d when Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Though you could argue if sins existed before G-d gave Torah to Moshe at Mt. Sinai. When I've asked that of my Chabad rabbi he's said that prior to Mt. Sinai, everyone was bound by the 7 Noahide Laws. But since Adam and Eve occured well before Noah and the Flood, how could they be bound by those laws?

 

[hangover]

Islam has eschewed acquisition of knowledge for most of its history and, as it initially rose to power, from its origins, its first true milestone was the creation of "The Dark Ages". Burning every trace of western civilization's base of knowledge, except that which was managed to be stashed away and hidden by the Christian Monks who stored and cared for it. It was the Crusades which shoved them back, allowing that base of knowledge to be brought back into the light, as well as opening the trade routes that provided for the further pursuit of such.

One teeny tiny little clue in all of this is that Islam refered to Christians and Jews as "People of the Book". This identification came from its origins wherein the tribal nomads common to Islam were in possession of no 'books'. Their history and conveyances were exclusively spoken.

But the myths of Islam's gifts to humanity persist and are difficult to refute, having become conventional wisdom.

Islam is less a religion and more a religious ideology. Collective in its essence, subjective to its hollow core, it is a kissing cousin of and among the oldest living examples of socialism.

All religions are a "religious ideology".

Islam won the crusades, not the Christians, that's why there were so many of them. The Palestinians gave shelter to the Jews, and let them live in Jerusalem all those centuries, because the Christians were persecuting the Jews as heretics along with the Muslims. And now you see how they are repaid by Israel. Stolen land, by order of God. Pft!

Nonsense.

Let me help ya through this HIGHLY complex equation:

Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy

Valid religion, merely observes the natural order, recognizes, respects, defends and adheres to those principles observed.

The Crusades were the end of the Islamic Caliphate. Waging a couple of dozen campaigns, the Crusades were minuscule by comparison to the Islamic Crusades which the Christian Crusades finally defended against. Islam murdered Ten of millions of innocent Christians and Jews in the push for the Caliphate.

As I said, Islam caused and maintained 'the Dark Ages'. Which they are working to the extent of their means to re-open, everywhere they're found.

But that is the nature of evil, so it serves reason.

Bullshit. It was the Catholic church that invaded Palestine during the crusades. It was the Catholic church that killed thousands of Palestinians and Jews as heretics. It was the Catholic church that was the world dictator for a thousand years. And it was the Catholic church that kept the world in the dark ages with Catholic dogma.

Anyone that thinks the Jews are "God's chosen people" must believe that God is a bigot. I refuse to believe that anyone that isn't a Jew is considered a dog.

No religion has a monopoly on God. No religion can own God.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Original sin?

Let me know when you get past blaming the Author of creation for what we do to ourselves and each other with the free will He gave us. I think you should buy a vowel. I like The Great Spirit perspective, too, while we are lumping everyone in together.

I don't blame the God of AVG-JOE for the ills of the world, but I do blame the followers of the God of Abraham for a lot of history's carnage.

God is God. I just seriously doubt that He singled out the family of Abraham 6,000 years ago. I think delusions of grandeur arose because of how Abraham’s story survived our checkered history.

And The http://www.usmessageboard.com/philosophy/266556-word.html was God.

Then you're foolish for doing so, people are people, with faults and imperfections, and are prone to use any scapegoat, i.e. being poor, abusive parents, religion, etc.. for their bad deeds. Human carnage has been about since the beginning and man and will be here until the end of man, because that is human nature. To blame it on one or another religious sect is just stupid and ill informed. The violent muslims of today are no different, they use their 'religion' as an excuse for violence and murder, it doesn't mean that their behavior is sanctioned by God, anymore than violence done in the past in the name of God by humans was sanctioned by God. You seemingly cannot seem to separate the acts of proclaimed followers of God, from God Himself, which is at the heart of your conundrum, if you truly even have one. I think you're just trolling and enjoying calling anyone of any religious faith as 'dysfunctional'. How you expect to get respect or honest discussion from anoyone when you're constantly insulting is a mystery. Either you're too stupid to see that, or you're just being a troll, and unfortunately I had thought you to be better than that. Guess I thought wrong. This is just a trool thread, and you've just repeated the same line thru the entire thing, wasting everyone's time for your own amusement. And you're saying that people of faith are all dysfunctional? Yeah, whatever Joe.

Did I ever say that I blame a God?

On the contrary, I blame the followers of the God of Abraham... the humans involved.

The reasons for the carnage inflicted are moot to this discussion, which is whether or not we can lump all of the followers of that particular God in to one subset.

 

[GISMYS]

YES GOD LOVES TINY ISRAEL!!!! As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.’ For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers. JEREMIAH 16:15