Zone1 The global hunger crisis is directly linked to unprotected sex in third world countries. Prove me wrong.

[Sparker]

Global hunger sounds like a fundraising scam. Global population is never more than what the world can feed. There are some factors adding up to population reduction. Huge farms raising cash crops need huge amounts of chemical fertilizer, diesel fuel in the tractors, and water. Fertilizer is imported from a few nations, mostly Russia and Canada. Fertilizer mining and shipping also also need fuel. Many aquifers are depleted and will take centuries or millennia to refill. Food production will drop and become more labor intensive, with farmhands and draft animals instead of tractors. Many nations have a severe shortage of people with the skills and fitness to do hard manual farm labor. People who are really concerned about hunger can start edible gardening, especially if they have big suburban yards. Even an indoor hydroponics station in an apartment would be a little bit of education in growing food.

 

[DennisPTate]

While stationed in Korea in 1963 we were paid in "scrip", which was only spendable on military bases (which included Korean owned businesses like laundry services and barbers). We called it "mickey mouse money". It worked fine. When we left Korea we exchanged it for American money.

Exactly!

Calgary Dollars assist a specific group of busnesses to be able to prosper as the exhange of those notes circulate rapidly within a limited economic system.

www.CalgaryDollars.ca/

I see Local Economic Trade Systems as a way to go against what the "Mark of the Beast" will probably look like. Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown one version of how that could look and operate.

[Dannion Brinkley]
BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services."
(Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

LightStream Productions

 

[DennisPTate]

I've brought up this subject a few times since I joined and I usually get lots of hysterical replies from bleeding hearts who don't think very well. But I want to bring it up again since the world's population grew by over 1 billion JUST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. What is much much worse is that over half of that population growth occurred in the poorest countries in the world.

There are dozens of so called humanitarian organizations who provide food, water and health services. The only one that I've found that addresses population control is:

UNFPA (United Nations Population Fund): This is the UN agency dedicated to sexual and reproductive health. They promote and fund family planning, including male and female sterilization, in developing countries and frequently partner with local clinics to run voluntary vasectomy campaigns.

There still seems to be a stigma about this and I don't understand why. How can these poor desperate people be wanting to bring kids into their Hellish world? Is that not child abuse? Many of these kids never know anything but burning hunger and pain before they die. The leading nations of the world need to get over the stigma and start taking action.

Your thesis is not exactly wrong but there is an even more important reason for global hunger.

In 1798 Robert Thomas Malthus explained an attitude that is common among the wealthiest of the wealthy. "Malthusian Catastrophe Theory" has evolved though and "Neo-Malthusianism" helps you to understand the 2010 lecture by Bill Gates entitled "Innovating to zero."

Neo-Malthusianism is the advocacy of human population planning to ensure that resources and the environment remain sustainable for current and future populations . Unlike original Malthusianism, which relied on moral restraint and abstinence , neo-Malthusianism explicitly supports the use of artificial birth control and contraception. [1, 2]

Core Differences from Traditional Malthusianism

• Birth Control: The defining feature of neo-Malthusians is their active promotion of contraception, whereas 18th-century economist Thomas Malthus believed only in moral abstinence. [1, 2]
• Focus on the Environment: While Malthus was deeply concerned with poverty and food supply, modern neo-Malthusians primarily focus on broader ecological issues like environmental degradation, climate change, and overall planetary carrying capacity. [1, 2, 3]

Historical Context and Evolution

• Early Movement (Late 19th Century): In the 1800s, the movement emerged as a social reform and emancipation effort. Early proponents, such as the organizations forming the Malthusian League, viewed birth control as a tool to improve the lives of the working class and empower women. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Post-1970s Technocracy: In the mid-to-late 20th century, the doctrine shifted toward a top-down global approach. Concerns over the "population bomb" led some international organizations and governments to advocate for aggressive family planning. In extreme cases—such as China’s one-child policy or forced sterilizations in India in the 1970s—this evolved into highly controversial, coercive population control . [1, 2, 3]

Criticisms of the Theory

• Techno-Optimism: Critics (sometimes called anti-Malthusians) argue that human ingenuity, mechanized farming, and new technologies allow the food supply and economy to scale with population growth. [1, 2, 3]
• Human Rights Concerns: Feminists, socialists, and human rights advocates often criticize neo-Malthusian policies as being inherently coercive, misanthropic, or violating reproductive freedom. [1, 2]
• Consumption vs. Population: Many modern critics stress that environmental damage is less about the absolute number of people and more about the unequal distribution of wealth and hyper-consumption in wealthy, industrialized nations. [1, 2]

To explore the nuances of this movement, including how it intersects with modern reproductive justice and planetary boundaries, you can review the Anticapitalist Resistance analysis or read the Cato Institute's critique on coercive population control

The wealthiest of the wealthy tend to want wars....
starvation.....
a percentage of people falling into homelessness even in the USA....
and the wealthiest of the wealthy want a Bear Market or even a full fledged "Great Depression" soon.

[Near death experiencer Howard Storm] :
"If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different."

Howard Storm - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles Howard Storm . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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Thomas Robert Malthus - Wikipedia

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[MarathonMike]

Your thesis is not exactly wrong but there is an even more important reason for global hunger.

In 1798 Robert Thomas Malthus explained an attitude that is common among the wealthiest of the wealthy. "Malthusian Catastrophe Theory" has evolved though and "Neo-Malthusianism" helps you to understand the 2010 lecture by Bill Gates entitled "Innovating to zero."





The wealthiest of the wealthy tend to want wars....
starvation.....
a percentage of people falling into homelessness even in the USA....
and the wealthiest of the wealthy want a Bear Market or even a full fledged "Great Depression" soon.

Thomas Robert Malthus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My "thesis" focuses" on a rampant third World crisis that is being totally ignored and even exacerbated by mindless "humanitarian relief" organizations. Your points may or may not be correct but there is nothing you can do about the intent of evil wealthy people. There is A LOT you can do about stemming the explosion of population in Third World countries.

 

[DennisPTate]

My "thesis" focuses" on a rampant third World crisis that is being totally ignored and even exacerbated by mindless "humanitarian relief" organizations. Your points may or may not be correct but there is nothing you can do about the intent of evil wealthy people. There is A LOT you can do about stemming the explosion of population in Third World countries.

Actually....
Christianity is terribly divided.....
and we only obey a small percentage of what Jesus
actually taught. If we would pray for our enemies, [such as Bill Gates], with real faith and compassion for him while
admitting that we ourselves could easily fall into all the trouble that he has fallen into.....
if we had been raised by his dad and taught what he
had been taught since he was a child, then amazing miracles could begin to happen in all nations, [even in the USA].


Just as ancient Israel and Judah destroyed themselves through Civil War, so also Christianity is terribly divided, and there is no totally innocent church that I have ever found.

9Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts
The land is burned up,
And the people shall be as fuel for the fire;
No man shall spare his brother.
20And he shall snatch on the right hand
And be hungry;
He shall devour on the left hand
And not be satisfied;
Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm.
21Manasseh shall devour Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasseh;
Together they shall be against Judah.
For all this His anger is not turned away,
But His hand is stretched out still.

Isaiah 9 | NKJV Bible - Bible App

The Government of the Promised SonNevertheless #Is. 8:22the gloom will not be upon her who is distressed,As when at # Kin. 15:29; 2 Chr. 16:4first He lightly esteemedThe land of Zebulun and the land o

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Zone1 Thread 'Could Christians ignore a modern miracle due to fear of losing tithes and offerings?'

Thursday at 12:15 PM

I personally have had some amazing Seventh Day Adventist friends since the 1980's. I recently attended a Seventh Day Adventist church on several occasions.

I am of the belief that the Pastors of the Worldwide Church of God to at least some degree, ignored this massive miracle that took place at the time of the bombing of Hiroshima due to the fear of members shifting over to the Seventh Day Adventist church along with their tithes and offerings?

8Because of laziness the building decays,
And through idleness of hands the house leaks.
19A feast is made for laughter,
And wine makes...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 3
• Forum: Clean Debate Zone

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There is another way of living than what we have been doing?

[Near death experiencer Howard Storm] :
"They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren’t interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, then we should hurt, we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people.

Howard Storm - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles Howard Storm . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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[MarathonMike]

Actually....
Christianity is terribly divided.....
and we only obey a small percentage of what Jesus
actually taught. If we would pray for our enemies, [such as Bill Gates], with real faith and compassion for him while
admitting that we ourselves could easily fall into all the trouble that he has fallen into.....
if we had been raised by his dad and taught what he
had been taught since he was a child, then amazing miracles could begin to happen in all nations, [even in the USA].


Just as ancient Israel and Judah destroyed themselves through Civil War, so also Christianity is terribly divided, and there is no totally innocent church that I have ever found.

Zone1 Thread 'Could Christians ignore a modern miracle due to fear of losing tithes and offerings?'

Thursday at 12:15 PM

I personally have had some amazing Seventh Day Adventist friends since the 1980's. I recently attended a Seventh Day Adventist church on several occasions.

I am of the belief that the Pastors of the Worldwide Church of God to at least some degree, ignored this massive miracle that took place at the time of the bombing of Hiroshima due to the fear of members shifting over to the Seventh Day Adventist church along with their tithes and offerings?

8Because of laziness the building decays,
And through idleness of hands the house leaks.
19A feast is made for laughter,
And wine makes...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 3
• Forum: Clean Debate Zone

.......

There is another way of living than what we have been doing?

Ok I guess you just want to steer the discussion to what you want to talk about. That's fine, just irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Woodznutz]

Third world countries face starvation and diseases because their culture doesn't provide the means necessary to overcome these problems. They depend heavily on the west, and the west is getting tired of fighting their problems and their culture at the same time.

 

[Woodznutz]

Unk,
What specifically do you disagree with here?

"Within that resilience lies a paradox. These same traditions and customs that protect identity can also resist necessary change, stifle innovation, and underpin inequalities. To create a course for the progressive, open societies, Africa’s future demands that Africans be willing to challenge the limitations of their cultural legacy."

The Limitations of African Cultures - Toyin Falola Network

Toyin Falola

toyinfalolanetwork.org

 

[MarathonMike]

Third world countries face starvation and diseases because their culture doesn't provide the means necessary to overcome these problems. They depend heavily on the west, and the west is getting tired of fighting their problems and their culture at the same time.

You're not wrong, but I'm saying how about we stop making the Third World problems MUCH WORSE by not trying to reign in the explosive population growth. That's is the ultimate in stupidity and child abuse to do nothing about it.

 

[Unkotare]

...I'm saying how about we stop making the Third World problems MUCH WORSE by not trying to reign in the explosive population growth....

There is none.