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The far left and the far right are more alike than different

Rye Catcher

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Go back and name one thing the FedGov does that can't be done better and more efficiently by somebody else.
Democracy!!! That which the people vote into office an Executive Administration and a Congress.

[It's unfortunate that a Supreme Court and a Federal Court of Judges/Justices are granted life appointments.]

Anarchists and Authoritarians are the sources you seem to support, much better than a central government that exists with the power of democracy:

(We the people)


"to hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

And your side of the aisle is opposed to democracy that has existed since Sept. 17th, 1787.
 

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I agree our border policy needs changing, the war on police is horrible. The worst I saw was the Jan 6th riot with people beating the crap out of police and then Trump, politicians and Trump supporters calling them heroes. Our country does need to change direction but that requires both sides changing. That requires not letting the extremists on both sides be the loudest voices.
How is fantasy land? They were heroes for protesting an obviously stolen election.
 

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No, too strict for me. We need a path for those leaving life threatening situations in other countries. And our current labor force requires immigrants. There are agricultural demand not being filled by citizens along with meat packing and others.

These people are taking many more jobs than AG. They are in all kinds of fields of work thus lowering wages for American workers. Our people don't want to work because of government benefits. As long as they can manage their lives without working, why should they work?

The solution is not immigration, the solution is to not provide benefits to people physically and mentally capable of working. Our world population is 7.5 billion people. How many should we take in?
 

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The far left, in general, does not want to defund the police in the sense people think they do. No one really bothers to really look up topics and see what they mean. Defunding the police refers to making cuts to police funding and reallocating the money for other relevant programs like for mental health. It’s not about gutting police programs altogether. Now granted “defund the police” was a terrible phrase to come up with and promote in the first place. Americans are simple minded so they can’t understand words like that unless they are literal.

Defund the police means exactly what it says. The problem is the public turned against the movement and that's the only reason the Communists never went forward with it.
 

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The far left and the far right are more alike than different.
Their attitude toward law enforcement is a great example.
The far left wants to defund the police. The far left does not trust any law enforcement. The far left has attacked police during demonstrations.
The far right wants to defund the FBI. The far right does not trust any law enforcement. The far right has attacked police during demonstrations.

Both of these groups are unamerican. Both of these groups want to bring our nation down. Our nation would be better off without both of these groups. They are all turds.
I think you're reaching. The far right is basically fascist. They want a single leader to run the country, dismantling much of the current federal government. The far left want more democracy where the people decide. The far right favors true a capitalist economy abolishing most social programs and cutting taxes while the far left wants to move the country to socialism, increasing taxes on the wealthy and proving free education and free healthcare. Both extremes would destroy the nation and neither extreme is practical.
 

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Harley has not read the history of the founding of our country. It was a group of people, with different ideas on what government should be. They negotiated and compromised. They put together a nation that works for most but does not satisfy everyone 100%.
Extremists, like dumbass Harley, want it 100% there way, or not at all.
We would not have a nation if the extremists on the left and right were tasked with putting together a government.
People, like Harley, spout out about our country but they have not studied what put our country together or what it takes to keep it going. It is a failure of our educational system. They are pumping out too many dumbasses like Harley.

Horrible analogy. Mentioning the current governing buffoons in comparison to the founders is blasphemy. There is no comparison.
 
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No there aren't. They can call themselves "libertarian" but the moment they advocate for mandates, bigger govt, higher taxes, foreign wars, collectivist "greater good" over individual rights, etc..., it proves they care nothing for actual libertarian principles, they are just leftists.
If they support the party that pushes these things, they are leftists.
Words have meanings & calling yourself something doesn't make it so.

I can call myself the Queen of England just like a dude can call himself a woman. Neither are true
This guy, and others, are complete ideologues. They do not live in the real world. They live in philosophical fantasy world. They moan, cry, criticize because the world is not exactly like their ideology.
No Ideology works in it's purest form in the real world.
Societies and groups are a hybrid of many ideologies. At the end of the day results determine the way to move forward.
If you do not use some from many philosophies to create a real world government, it would be like trying to bake a cake with just flour.
Extremists are ideologues. They are the problem not the solution.
 
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I think you're reaching. The far right is basically fascist. They want a single leader to run the country, dismantling much of the current federal government. The far left want more democracy where the people decide. The far right favors true a capitalist economy abolishing most social programs and cutting taxes while the far left wants to move the country to socialism, increasing taxes on the wealthy and proving free education and free healthcare. Both extremes would destroy the nation and neither extreme is practical.
Both extremes would destroy the nation and neither extreme is practical.
I agree
 
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Horrible analogy. Mentioning the current governing buffoons in comparison to the founders is blasphemy. There is no comparison.
We are still the best nation in the world despite many problems. Our founders have developed system that can survive bad Presidents. We survived Trump. I think Biden is OK, could be better, and we will survive him.
People like you, do not get it, Our founders created a government that survives individual men/women who do not have our nations best interest in mind. You are looking for perfection. Get real.
I love my country. I admire my country. I know there a re problems we need to work on. I know my country will survive. I am not a hater of the USA like you.
 

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Both extremes would destroy the nation and neither extreme is practical.
I agree
Welcome back Elmer

Are you ready to modify some of your policy positions in the spirit of compromise?
 
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You make broad and meaningless statements

I asked your position on a real issue - illegal aliens from mexico - and you showed no willingness to compromise at all
You are looking for disagreement not agreement. We agreed on some about the border. Your focus is on disagreeing. People like you are a problem everywhere you go. Contrarians.
You never have solutions you just define problems.
 

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We are still the best nation in the world despite many problems. Our founders have developed system that can survive bad Presidents. We survived Trump. I think Biden is OK, could be better, and we will survive him.
People like you, do not get it, Our founders created a government that survives individual men/women who do not have our nations best interest in mind. You are looking for perfection. Get real.
I love my country. I admire my country. I know there a re problems we need to work on. I know my country will survive. I am not a hater of the USA like you.

We're never going to achieve perfection but we should always strive for perfection. I guess that means I hate this country. Lol. On the contrary.....
 

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And most of The Democrat Party.
And what came to pass is exactly as Dick Morris predicted:


“I’ve got it!” the screed began. “Biden is so weak, so senile, the crazies on the Left will take over.

No police. No cars. No free speech. Crime runs rampant. Open borders. Terrorists and druggies food in. All drugs legalized. Huge taxes. Everything is determined by affirmative action.

No standards for doctors or professionals. Anybody gets in. Mass government medicine. Not enough doctors. Medicare swamped. Political correctness reigns. Climate change deniers guilty of a crime. Locked up. Criminals go free. Anti-Semitism. Anti-Israel.

Biden is like vonHindenburg was in Weimar [Germany]. Incapable of controlling Hitler. Biden is incapable of controlling AOC or Pelosi. So weak that he becomes Pelosi’s puppet, and she, in turn, is run by the likes of AOC.” “Everyone knows the Left is nuts, and Biden is weak, so put them together: No coal. No oil. No fracking. Permissive schools. Anything goes. Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial renamed. They had slaves. Reparations.”

“And Biden can’t deny it without pissing off his base. His convention becomes a brawl as progressives try to get their platform.”

“Trump is safe and sane by comparison.”
Dick Morris, "The Return"
 

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The far left and the far right are more alike than different.
Their attitude toward law enforcement is a great example.
The far left wants to defund the police. The far left does not trust any law enforcement. The far left has attacked police during demonstrations.
The far right wants to defund the FBI. The far right does not trust any law enforcement. The far right has attacked police during demonstrations.

Both of these groups are unamerican. Both of these groups want to bring our nation down. Our nation would be better off without both of these groups. They are all turds.
Well said!
 

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I feel people like you should be put in jail for sedition. You are a disease more deadly than Covid.
Then you are fascist or a communist. Congrats. Covid was made deadly by the way it was handled by the media and lying politicians. You are what my dad called a sucker.
 

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I feel people like you should be put in jail for sedition. You are a disease more deadly than Covid.



This is a Democrat.

The Socialist Saint of their ersatz religion already put American in concentration camps.


Let's not sugar coat it.....Hitler's friend, FDR, called them just what they were:

"They were forcibly removed to 10 concentration camps. The government officially called them “relocation centers,” but Roosevelt himself used the words “concentration camp” in a recommendation as early as 1936, as did a military proposal in 1942. The occupants were kept behind barbed wire, and armed guards kept them from leaving."
FDR’s concentration camps were a warning, not a model



Again?
".....Roosevelt himself used the words “concentration camp” in a recommendation as early as 1936, as did a military proposal in 1942."





Executive Order 9066
was a United States presidential executive order signed and issued during World War II by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942. This order authorized the Secretary of War to prescribe certain areas as military zones, clearing the way for the incarceration of Japanese Americans, German Americans, and Italian Americans in U.S. concentration camps. Executive Order 9066 - Wikipedia
 

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You are looking for disagreement not agreement. We agreed on some about the border. Your focus is on disagreeing. People like you are a problem everywhere you go. Contrarians.
You never have solutions you just define problems.
I offered counter proposals

Thats how compromise works

But you only want what you want and didnt offer to give up anything
 

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The case was closed. They reopened based on new evidence. The new evidence did not produce anything. That was not announced until after the election.
You are incapable of thinking rationally. Every thing you say is an attempt to to justify the fantasy world you live in.
You should listen more and think. You do not think. You just defend your position.

Your assumptions about my listening and thinking are noted.


Wouldyou have preferred that the FBI HIDE the fact that there was an ongoing investigation so that the voters would not have that information?

That seems to be what you are implying.

That's not reasonable.
 

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