The Failure of the 2 party system

[Hum Dinger]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The country needs PR for Congress, and it needs some kind of run off system like the French have for President.

 

[Iceweasel]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

 

[Hum Dinger]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

Saying that 'it worked' just because it exists is nonsense. It is a fraud. It does not serve the people nor is it democracy. Trump does not represent Republicans and Clinton does not represent the political left .Lip service is not representation.

 

[Iceweasel]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

Saying that 'it worked' just because it exists is nonsense. It is a fraud. It does not serve the people nor is it democracy. Trump does not represent Republicans and Clinton does not represent the political left .Lip service is not representation.

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

 

[konradv]

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

Tell that to the Obama-haters.

 

[Mac1958]

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system..

Agreed. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Hardcore partisan ideologues on both ends are causing great damage.

The system has to be changed. For me, it would include publicly-funded elections, strict term limits and a Balanced Budget Amendment.

It might also require a change to the electoral college system so that more parties can be represented on the national stage.

Either we allow this to get worse, or we don't. Either we keep bending over and taking it, or we put our foot down. This is our call.
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[Remodeling Maidiac]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

Saying that 'it worked' just because it exists is nonsense. It is a fraud. It does not serve the people nor is it democracy. Trump does not represent Republicans and Clinton does not represent the political left .Lip service is not representation.

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

The disgruntled outnumber the supporters of Trump & Hillary. While Trump did win more votes than anyone else, everyone else as a total won more votes than him. This is the part of the equation that most ignore. The two party system is in fact broken & corrupt. The "disgruntled" as you put it, could easily make sure that both Trump & Hillary are defeated by unifying behind a single third party candidate. Sadly there is no single person running that has what it takes to unify the "disgruntled" vote.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

I just read this as blah blah blah ...my opinion is so important...blah blah blah...communism rules....blah blah blah...everyone should think the same....blah blah...like me...blah blah blah...the two party system sucks.

 

[Contumacious]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

The problem is NOT the Two Party system. The problem is the believe that by electing a candidate his policies will become the law of the land without amending the Constitution.

Case in point: the followers of Comrade Sanders expect the US to become a socialist Republic when he is elected. Or if a candidate believes in DISARMING the populace then his policies will become law if he/she is elected. That is the problem.

Furthermore, those who are appointed to be federal judges are supposed to act as mere machines when acting as federal judges. They are NOT suppose to rule according to their predilections.


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[my2¢]

As a white male who works for a living the 2 party system has me feeling unrepresented. I'm not part of either the business owner class nor have exorbitant wealth to protect from one side nor the socialists, welfare recipients, gays and what-all from the other. I'd do away with political parties in the sense I'd prefer to have non-partisan primaries.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

As a white male who works for a living the 2 party system has me feeling unrepresented. I'm not part of either the business owner class nor have exorbitant wealth to protect from one side nor the socialists, welfare recipients, gays and what-all from the other. I'd do away with political parties in the sense I'd prefer to have non-partisan primaries.

I've suggested for years the party identification needs to be stripped from all national elections. Make the people vote on issues rather than blind loyalty. Sadly there is no better example of this blind loyalty to party that the people on this site who hate on me for not being willing to support Trump simply to avoid the D winning the election.

 

[Rustic]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Of course it's a failure, when you have progressive career politicians like Barry and his puppet masters seeking one party rule...

 

[LeftofLeft]

I am a conservative capitalist and would very much like to see more parties.

 

[Contumacious]

I am a conservative capitalist and would very much like to see more parties.

It is NOT that the two party system failed.

What has failed is the Article III Judicial System.

They were supposed to act like a Bulwark of Liberties.

Instead they have capitulated to every socialist legislation that has come down the pike.

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[Iceweasel]

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

Tell that to the Obama-haters.

Do shiny objects mesmerize you? We were discussing the party system.

 

[Iceweasel]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

Saying that 'it worked' just because it exists is nonsense. It is a fraud. It does not serve the people nor is it democracy. Trump does not represent Republicans and Clinton does not represent the political left .Lip service is not representation.

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

The disgruntled outnumber the supporters of Trump & Hillary. While Trump did win more votes than anyone else, everyone else as a total won more votes than him. This is the part of the equation that most ignore. The two party system is in fact broken & corrupt. The "disgruntled" as you put it, could easily make sure that both Trump & Hillary are defeated by unifying behind a single third party candidate. Sadly there is no single person running that has what it takes to unify the "disgruntled" vote.

There's no way those who think Trump is too liberal and those that don't think Hillary is liberal enough are going to unify behind a third party. It's a madness of sorts. All third parties do is fuck up the vote and hand elections over to your opponent.

Bush didn't unify the country, obama hasn't (seems worse), Hillary won't. Nobody as much since the Gipper but even today he is hated by the left probably more than anyone.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

Democrats are very much into big business, they put up a false face and their lemmings gobble it up without thought. The two party system hasn't failed, it's worked.

Hillary was forced to move left to accommodate the socialists and Trump was forced to move right to accommodate conservatives. The only failure is the inability to see what took place.

Saying that 'it worked' just because it exists is nonsense. It is a fraud. It does not serve the people nor is it democracy. Trump does not represent Republicans and Clinton does not represent the political left .Lip service is not representation.

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

The disgruntled outnumber the supporters of Trump & Hillary. While Trump did win more votes than anyone else, everyone else as a total won more votes than him. This is the part of the equation that most ignore. The two party system is in fact broken & corrupt. The "disgruntled" as you put it, could easily make sure that both Trump & Hillary are defeated by unifying behind a single third party candidate. Sadly there is no single person running that has what it takes to unify the "disgruntled" vote.

There's no way those who think Trump is too liberal and those that don't think Hillary is liberal enough are going to unify behind a third party. It's a madness of sorts. All third parties do is fuck up the vote and hand elections over to your opponent.

Bush didn't unify the country, obama hasn't (seems worse), Hillary won't. Nobody as much since the Gipper but even today he is hated by the left probably more than anyone.

For the purposes of shaking up the system it would be worth a one off election. Possibly

 

[konradv]

They both won most of the votes so it did work. The disgruntled don't get to call the shots.

Tell that to the Obama-haters.

Do shiny objects mesmerize you? We were discussing the party system.

You were talking about disgruntled people wanting to call the shots. If they can't after losing a primary, then they certainly can't after losing a general. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I was 100% on-topic.

 

[flacaltenn]

This primary season has seen a gross failure of the two party system. Trump - by no means a Republican, has succeeded in getting the Republican nomination, while Sanders, a social-democrat nearly did the same.

The reason is that in our two party system, people who are neither Republican or Democrat, have to register as one of the two if they want to have any say in the primaries, and thereby any say in the Presidential elections. Neither the Republicans or the democrats truly represent the majority of the American people. So we all register to whichever one is closest to our ideology or have no say whatsoever.

To me, the Republican party has been a charade for years. Traditionally, the Republican party is the pro-business party. It is NOT the 'Conservative' party as most 'Republicans' think. Too many people who should be registered as libertarians or in the Conservative party are registered Republicans. Evangelicals are theocrats, not Repiblicans. They've perverted the party by designating real Republicans as 'RINOS'.

Meanwhile the democrats have become completely undefinable - they encompass everything from pro-labor social conseratives to every left wing ideology short of communists.

This system is falling apart. Political careerists who have no agenda except maintaining there own power are the only ones to benefit from this system.

Americans of all political ideologies should be unified in finding a way to break up the two party systems and recreating a true multi-party system One that has as many as 10 major parties. This way everyone could join the party that truly represents them, Instead of mass infiltration and subsequent perversion of the two existing major parties.

I agree this cycle has shown the systemic problems in the 2 broken parties, but it's not because 2 populists resonated with a totally fed-up electorate. That's a GOOD thing. Problem is -- there's no other place for committed socialists (and whatever the fuck Trump is) to go.

The FAILURE has been seen in the Dem Party as a completely rigged ESTABLISHMENT process where a superdelegate can equal the actual votes of about 10,000 people. AND then you see SuperDs coming out with endorsements for the Party choice and NEVER STATING that they are superdelegates !!! On Wall Street, you can go jail if you endorse a plan or equity and don't DISCLOSE that you are trading or investing in it. That issue along with the coin tosses, card draws and ad hoc rulings seen in the State party control of the primaries. All of this adds to "voter disenfranchisement" and a farce when one candidate WINS by a landslide and comes out even in delegates.

In the Republican party --- You had a party colluding with the networks to put on a show for the ENRICHMENT of the networks -- almost every other week. Turned it into a bad clone of "Survivor". This party had almost NO tools to throttle back candidates and allowed a meglomaniac to turn it into a freak show.

The MEDIA is the 3rd victim of this cycle -- but that's another story..

Voters are generally oblivious to how bad it's gotten.

1) The parties have for DECADES,, refused to run candidates in losing states and districts. Leaving EVERY ONE of their "faithful" high and dry. Up to 12 or 15% of Congressional races are abandoned by the parties,. Leaving NO representation for their stranded voters.

2) Only 4 people RUN congress. The House/Senate majority/minority leaders. You can't take a dump on Capitol Hill without their approval. This is getting increasingly worse. Resulting in having over 500 IMPOTENT, irrelevant members of Congress waiting for the 'leadership' to tell them what's gonna happen. It is NOW (because of rule changes) a central party controlled body and no longer representative of the people.

3) The parties have progressively enforced discipline amongst their elected membership. Say a cross word about leadership or take a position that exposes their errors and you will be facing a PARTY funded opponent in your next primary without so much as an email reply.. See Joe Lieberman for example. Or the Tea Party members or principled socialists for that matter. Politicians cannot escape this muzzling and control.

4) The 2 parties have made ballot access and debate access almost impossible for any faction to split off or generate.


There's the failure. I LIKE the fact that Bernie was in there. He's a principled guy. Just not understanding much about 21st century jobs or an economy. THAT was not a failure. It would BECOME a failure if a true Socialist movement were barred from created and heard on the power of what the Bern revealed about voter sentiment..