The Extremes are killing this country. Centrism is the solution.

[IDIOCRACY]

Like I said, you are a biased person that is adverse to facts and truth. So be it!

let's clear up somethings about you personally:

1) Do you care about other people? If so, who do you specifically care about and about them and why?
2) Do you mind sharing what you have accomplished in life or is what you accomplish, all for you and no one else? In other words, do you give money or time to helping others?
3) Are you wealthy, middle class, or poor?

1. Yes, everyone and if u need an explainstion perhaps u r not what u hope 2 b..

2. Most what I got goes to my kids thanks...im happy to give but don't make it a mission statement.

3. None you... that said wealthy is subjective, middle class or poor have real meaning.

 

[dblack]

Like I said, you are a biased person that is adverse to facts and truth. So be it!

let's clear up somethings about you personally:

1) Do you care about other people? If so, who do you specifically care about and about them and why?
2) Do you mind sharing what you have accomplished in life or is what you accomplish, all for you and no one else? In other words, do you give money or time to helping others?
3) Are you wealthy, middle class, or poor?

All of this wildly misses the point, at least from my perspective. Liberals like to pretend that anyone who doesn't agree with their solution to a given problem, doesn't care about the problem. And I'm to the point where my response to that is, "go **** yourself".

 

[Marchimedes]

The Extremes are killing this country. Centrism is the solution.​

Sure, those that can barely make up their minds about right vs. left in every single election are a solid choice.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Once again, health care is an absolute need and should be supplied by the government.

There are over 70 nations in the world that offer free health care to their citizens. Why are we not one of them (supposedly being the #1 country in the world)?

Well, duh.... Because it's Socialism.

Why should I have to pay for your medical care and/or insurance, or why should you have to pay for mine?

Should you have to also pay for my food, clothing, shelter? Those are absolute needs as well.

We can pay for these things for the truly disabled, because we are a compassionate Capitalist Republic, but people who want "free" health care could go to one of those 70 countries.

 

[Luckyone]

Well, duh.... Because it's Socialism.

Why should I have to pay for your medical care and/or insurance, or why should you have to pay for mine?

Should you have to also pay for my food, clothing, shelter? Those are absolute needs as well.

We can pay for these things for the truly disabled, because we are a compassionate Capitalist Republic, but people who want "free" health care could go to one of those 70 countries.

Socialism?

You mean to say that having a healthy nation with all of its citizens receiving the health care they need, is socialism?

You believe that having only the people with money be healthy is healthy for ANY nation?

Isn't a nation supposed to be all of its citizens together and not just those that have money?

My gawd, you really think only of yourself, don't you?

Let me ask you this simple question. A person inherited money from his parents but he is a narcissist that only cares for himself and he crushes anyone that does not help him accomplish his own goals and his goals are to get rid of all dissenting people and as such, he gets richer every day, and on the other hand you have a person that was born to a poor family that were unable to send him to get a good education but he is a giving unselfish person that wants to help everyone accomplish their goals and he is willing to help them more than he helps himself. The former can afford to have health insurance, but the latter can't because he is poor and has not been able to get a good job that pays his bills and has to work 3 jobs just to pay his necessities, meaning that he does not have the time or money to help anyone else.

You support the former and criticize the latter? Shouldn't the government and every single citizen of that nation help him be healthy and in a capacity where he can give to others (as he wants to do)?

 

[Luckyone]

Sure, those that can barely make up their minds about right vs. left in every single election are a solid choice.

??? are you using your mind? Being a centrist does not mean you cannot make up your mind. It means you are a realist that understands that everyone has to live and work for a goal (a healthy nation that is a team) and is a realist that also knows that each person thinks differently and that to work together as a team, they all have to give some to get some.

That is not an indecisive person but an intelligent one. You have any brains?

 

[dblack]

Socialism?

You mean to say that having a healthy nation with all of its citizens receiving the health care they need, is socialism?

I don't think that's what he means to say, no. I think he means to say that government control of health care is socialism.

Let me ask you this simple question. A person inherited money from his parents but he is a narcissist that only cares for himself and he crushes anyone that does not help him accomplish his own goals and his goals are to get rid of all dissenting people and as such, he gets richer every day, and on the other hand you have a person that was born to a poor family that were unable to send him to get a good education but he is a giving unselfish person that wants to help everyone accomplish their goals and he is willing to help them more than he helps himself. The former can afford to have health insurance, but the latter can't because he is poor and has not been able to get a good job that pays his bills and has to work 3 jobs just to pay his necessities, meaning that he does not have the time or money to help anyone else.

You support the former and criticize the latter? Shouldn't the government and every single citizen of that nation help him be healthy and in a capacity where he can give to others (as he wants to do)?

You're pretty good at the strawman thing.

 

[Luckyone]

All of this wildly misses the point, at least from my perspective. Liberals like to pretend that anyone who doesn't agree with their solution to a given problem, doesn't care about the problem. And I'm to the point where my response to that is, "go **** yourself".

There are Liberals and there are Conservatives and all have their own beliefs. The centrists of each ideal understand that compromise is the solution. The extremes of each side are the ones that want "my way or the highway". As such, this is not about getting rid of the Liberals or the Conservatives but to get rid of the extremists of each side.

 

[Luckyone]

I don't think that's what he means to say, no. I think he means to say that government control of health care is socialism.

That is why everything in life has to have controls and restrictions to what they can do. A government (especially here in the U.S.) is all about the Constitution that is about "by the people, for the people and of the people" and the Constitution has controls (such as 3 branches of government) that helps have the controls and restrictions that are necessary. They need to be followed and not gotten rid of (such as the Trumpers want to do.

You're pretty good at the strawman thing.

You mean being a realist is being a strawman?

 

[dblack]

There are Liberals and there are Conservatives and all have their own beliefs. The centrists of each ideal understand that compromise is the solution. The extremes of each side are the ones that want "my way or the highway". As such, this is not about getting rid of the Liberals or the Conservatives but to get rid of the extremists of each side.

Which completely ignores the comment you're responding to. If you really want to find some middle ground you need to stop assigning demonic intent to anyone who doesn't agree with your policy proposals.

I'll also reiterate that consensus is a better approach than compromise. Compromise is giving in. Consensus is finding common ground.

 

[Luckyone]

1. Yes, everyone and if u need an explainstion perhaps u r not what u hope 2 b..

You did not answer the question

2. Most what I got goes to my kids thanks...im happy to give but don't make it a mission statement.

How do you give to others?

3. None you... that said wealthy is subjective, middle class or poor have real meaning.

Then let me put it this way:

Wealthy = being able to do anything and everything you want because you have the ability to do so.

Middle class = being able to do "most" of the things you NEED to live well but can't spend any money on anything extra, like vacations, fine cars, etc

Poor = not being able to pay for the basic needs most of the time

 

[Luckyone]

Joe Biden said “ Truth over Facts “

Again, you are not making a statement that makes sense, especially considering what my statement was.

 

[Mac1958]

There are Liberals and there are Conservatives and all have their own beliefs. The centrists of each ideal understand that compromise is the solution. The extremes of each side are the ones that want "my way or the highway". As such, this is not about getting rid of the Liberals or the Conservatives but to get rid of the extremists of each side.

Collaboration breeds innovation. Something NEW. Like our Constitution. That's what the wings don't understand. To them, everything has to be zero sum -- either you win or I win -- that's it.

I saw something a few years that shook me a bit. Is it possible that it has been so long since Americans worked together like adults that we have lost the skill? Is it "use it or lose it", like a muscle?

It sure looks that way.

 

[Luckyone]

Collaboration breeds innovation. Something NEW. Like our Constitution. That's what the wings don't understand. To them, everything has to be zero sum -- either you win or I win -- that's it.

I saw something a few years that shook me a bit. Is it possible that it has been so long since Americans worked together like adults that we have lost the skill? Is it "use it or lose it", like a muscle?

It sure looks that way.

100% correct.

Social media has a lot of blame in this scenario as it has made people able to spread their beliefs and have them be supported by a large number of like-thinking others, making them feel they are right. Social media has also taken away the face-to-face communication with others that make you realize that others have good things even if they disagree with you. My CPA is a Trump supporter but he is such a good and giving person (as I have seen and experienced for the 40 years that I have known him), that his belief in Trump (though I totally disagree with him) does not cause OUR relationship to suffer in any way.

Social media does not allow that to happen.

 

[Failzero]

Again, you are not making a statement that makes sense, especially considering what my statement was.

Socially Liberal Truths are not always Facts

 

[Luckyone]

Socially Liberal Truths are not always Facts

I have not mentioned what you call "truths" at all. I have not mentioned Biden at all. I have stated FACTS and that is what I have done. You care to dispute them, then stay away from these crazy posts and dispute the facts themselves.

 

[dblack]

I'll get on my soapbox again regarding consensus over compromise. Consensus means that we focus on what we agree on, the values we share and ideas that we can all accept. For example, a wide majority of us believe that murder should be illegal - so let's keep that. Maybe even ramp up the punishment for it if we it's a pressing problem. But we don't have that kind of agreement on abortion - so we'll shelve that for now. People see it differently, and passionately, so it's counter-productive to force the issue with Federal law.

Likewise, most of us don't want poor people to go without healthcare. Healthcare is clearly more expensive than it needs to be, but we can't agree on how to solve that problem. So we'll defer the 'final solution' until we find something we can agree on. And in the meantime beef up the existing social safety nets to help those in need.

I could go on, but hopefully the idea is clear. The partisan division we're burdened with has us thrashing back and forth between extremes. Depending on which side is able to pull together a slim majority at election time, each foists its agenda on the country, even though half of us (or something close to it) might bitter oppose that agenda. It's destructive and doesn't reflect the will of the people, merely the will of the majority. Again - different concepts.

There are many ways would could fix this, but we do need to find consensus on the matter. We won't solve anything by forcing it.

We need leaders who recognize that we're stronger together, and understand that we can't find that unity by passing laws that are so contentious. The culture warriors, on both sides, need to take a back seat and stop trying to force their will on everyone else.

 

[Luckyone]

I'll get on my soapbox again regarding consensus over compromise. Consensus means that we focus on what we agree on, the values we share and ideas that we can all accept. For example, a wide majority of us believe that murder should be illegal - so let's keep that. Maybe even ramp up the punishment for it if we it's a pressing problem. But we don't have that kind of agreement on abortion - so we'll shelve that for now. People see it differently, and passionately, so it's counter-productive to force the issue with Federal law.

Likewise, most of us don't want poor people to go without healthcare. Healthcare is clearly more expensive than it needs to be, but we can't agree on how to solve that problem. So we'll defer the 'final solution' until we find something we can agree on. And in the meantime beef up the existing social safety nets to help those in need.

I could go on, but hopefully the idea is clear. The partisan division we're burdened with has us thrashing back and forth between extremes. Depending on which side is able to pull together a slim majority at election time, each foists its agenda on the country, even though half of us (or something close to it) might bitter oppose that agenda. It's destructive and doesn't reflect the will of the people, merely the will of the majority. Again - different concepts.

There are many ways would could fix this, but we do need to find consensus on the matter. We won't solve anything by forcing it.

We need leaders who recognize that we're stronger together, and understand that we can't find that unity by passing laws that are so contentious. The culture warriors, on both sides, need to take a back seat and stop trying to force their will on everyone else.

I have no problem or disagreement on what you said, nonetheless there is one problem with the word "focus". We do need to "focus" on something and that is the Constitution. If we focus on the "majority consensus", it opens the door for ideology to enter and take control. When you have a "clan" mentality (as seen with the Trumpers). consensus does not work, given that they are not keying on what is right (according to the Constitution) but keying on what they WANT, which can be getting rid (destroying) anything they do not like (for example, gay people or just even opponents to what they believe in).

The Constitution has been our mandate for the past 250 years, and it has worked well for our country. We need to focus/key on that.

Much of what Trump is doing is against the Constitution.

 

[dblack]

I have no problem or disagreement on what you said, nonetheless there is one problem with the word "focus". We do need to "focus" on something and that is the Constitution. If we focus on the "majority consensus", it opens the door for ideology to enter and take control. When you have a "clan" mentality (as seen with the Trumpers). consensus does not work, given that they are not keying on what is right (according to the Constitution) but keying on what they WANT, which can be getting rid (destroying) anything they do not like (for example, gay people or just even opponents to what they believe in).

The Constitution has been our mandate for the past 250 years, and it has worked well for our country. We need to focus/key on that.

Much of what Trump is doing is against the Constitution.

I guess I'm not making myself clear. Majority and consensus are not the same thing. Consensus implies - requires - respect for those who disagree with your views.

And while I love the idea of a government constrained by a constitution, it has no power if there isn't consensus on what the Constitution is supposed to mean.

 

[Luckyone]

I guess I'm not making myself clear. Majority and consensus are not the same thing. Consensus implies - requires - respect for those who disagree with your views.

And while I love the idea of a government constrained by a constitution, it has no power if there isn't consensus on what the Constitution is supposed to mean.

The Constitution is clear. There is o consensus required