The Epstein saga is becoming a political dud & nothingburger.

[Mac1958]

If caring about something is conditional on something else, especially if it's that it hurts your perceived enemy, then you don't really care about that thing.

What a turnaround. From PizzaGate one day to not giving a shit about all these girls the next.

Their entire life structure is based on identifying and maximizing political gain. Anything outside of that is waste, offal, a nothingburger. It's right there in the goddamn thread title.

Partisanship has been bad for a long time. But this is a madness.

 

[Monoculturalist]

What a turnaround. From PizzaGate one day to not giving a shit about all these girls the next.

Their entire life structure is based on identifying and maximizing political gain. Anything outside of that is waste, a nothingburger.

Partisanship has been bad for a long time. But this is a madness.

Trump's handling of this issue has been disappointing for sure. Some of his responses regarding it have been pretty bad in terms of optics.

I agree that blind partisanship is very telling. On the other hand, a lot of the reason this issue hasn't remained at the forefront is because of how bad the illegal immigration issue has gotten and how part of the left has gone fully insane in fighting deportations.

If the left actually supported deportations, things would settle down enough for the public to focus on the Epstein issue.

 

[Mac1958]

If the left actually supported deportations, things would settle down enough for the public to focus on the Epstein issue.

Two entirely different issues.

There is no excuse for what the GQP is doing on Epstein/Maxwell. We need to get ALL of the information out, NOW. I suspect neither party will be pleased with what comes out, and that's more than fine with me. What was done to these girls is not about PARTISAN POLITICS. Not everything that happens in the world is about PARTISAN POLITICS.

 

[Nostra]

Two entirely different issues.

There is no excuse for what the GQP is doing on Epstein/Maxell. We need to get ALL of the information out, NOW. I suspect neither party will be pleased with what comes out, and that's more than fine with me. What was done to these girls is not about PARTISAN POLITICS. Not everything that happens in the world is about PARTISAN POLITICS.

So, you can link us up to you demanding Biden release them?

 

[forkup]

So, you can link us up to you demanding Biden release them?

Biden can't release them. He isn't president anymore. Nor can he move Maxwell to Club Fed. We're apparently somebody waved the restrictions on sex offenders to be eligible for work release for her.

Care to take a guess who has this power?

 

[Monoculturalist]

Two entirely different issues.

There is no excuse for what the GQP is doing on Epstein/Maxwell. We need to get ALL of the information out, NOW. I suspect neither party will be pleased with what comes out, and that's more than fine with me. What was done to these girls is not about PARTISAN POLITICS. Not everything that happens in the world is about PARTISAN POLITICS.

I agree with you in principle. I'm just operating under the assumption that both parties have been complicit in the blackmail scheme Epstein was involved in.

It would appear multiple governments were involved, in fact.

 

[Mac1958]

I agree with you in principle. I'm just operating under the assumption that both parties have been complicit in the blackmail scheme Epstein was involved in.

It would appear multiple governments were involved, in fact.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, and that probably explains why we still don't know.

This is about the rich & entitled taking advantage of young girls, not about politics. It's like we're paralyzed in fear. The more I see this the more I want the information out.

 

[Monoculturalist]

Wouldn't surprise me at all, and that probably explains why we still don't know.

This is about the rich & entitled taking advantage of young girls, not about politics. It's like we're paralyzed in fear. The more I see this the more I want the information out.

It is another example of how the most important divide in society is the elite vs. the rest of us. Class is the most important divide, but I don't mean that in a Marxist sense.

 

[Blisterfinger]

If the Epstein Files contain the crimes of pedophiles, why did the Biden admin fail to release them and prosecute the Pedos?

I can't get an answer to that question from any of these shit Libs on here. I guess we have to keep asking though!

 

[forkup]

I can't get an answer to that question from any of these shit Libs on here. I guess we have to keep asking though!

I have an answer.

First, we never claimed the list contained “the crimes of pedophiles”, that story came almost entirely from the right, almost invariably followed by innuendo but no proof. The current head of the FBI and the DOJ didn’t just float it, they publicly said they had proof actually. The VP repeated it last week. Politicians on your side have been milking it for years.

Now those same folks are officially saying the opposite.

So your question is basically: Why didn’t the left run with the conspiracy theory the right made up, about Democrats .The answer’s the same reason I don’t call the fire department when my neighbor says his toaster is plotting against him.

And while we’re here, why is Biden not releasing the Epstein files supposedly proof of a shadowy plot… but Trump completely changing his story, refusing to release the files after years of teasing it, and his team literally giving Epstein’s accomplice leniency somehow irrelevant?

At this point, the only “story” you’re keeping straight is the one where it’s always someone else’s fault.

 

[Mac1958]

Maybe Biden was protecting someone. Maybe that's why we didn't get these materials.

OKAY, LET'S FIND OUT.

Anyone who participated in this, anyone who enabled this, anyone who covered for this, SHOULD PAY THE PRICE.

The people who think this ugly ******* crime is a "nothing burger", those who keep making excuses with it and playing games with it, are more concerned about the politics of it (as we see in the thread title) than the law. Or the victims. And I wonder how many of these people have DAUGHTERS.

MORE ugliness. What a shock. This is what partisan politics does to people.

 

[forkup]

Maybe Biden was protecting someone. Maybe that's why we didn't get these materials.

OKAY, LET'S FIND OUT.

Anyone who participated in this, anyone who enabled this, anyone who covered for this, SHOULD PAY THE PRICE.

The people who think this ugly ******* crime is a "nothing burger", those who keep making excuses with it and playing games with it, are more concerned about the politics of it (as we see in the thread title) than the law. Or the victims. And I wonder how many of these people have DAUGHTERS.

MORE ugliness. What a shock. This is what partisan politics does to people.

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Let me play devil’s advocate for a second. What if there isn’t a list of people being actively blackmailed by Epstein, and it’s just a list of anyone associated with him in some way? Dropping that list into the public would be like handing out participation trophies for being in the wrong room, it fuels partisanship, political games, and, most importantly, hurts the real victims.

In a perfect world, this would be handled quietly in court, away from the circus. But Trump has made that impossible, turning a legal and moral issue into a reality TV episode nobody asked for.

That said, if one of the names is Trump, as seems likely, and the current administration doesn’t release it, I see no reason to stay silent about the hypocrisy. Partisanship will flare either way, but the true victims, everyone harmed by Epstein and his network, deserve attention over politics. Sadly, the victims get hurt no matter what, and the irony here is tragic.

 

[Godboy]

When did Biden promise to release the Epstein files or list?

He didnt. He said NOTHING about it at all.

 

[Mac1958]

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Let me play devil’s advocate for a second. What if there isn’t a list of people being actively blackmailed by Epstein, and it’s just a list of anyone associated with him in some way? Dropping that list into the public would be like handing out participation trophies for being in the wrong room, it fuels partisanship, political games, and, most importantly, hurts the real victims.

In a perfect world, this would be handled quietly in court, away from the circus. But Trump has made that impossible, turning a legal and moral issue into a reality TV episode nobody asked for.

That said, if one of the names is Trump, as seems likely, and the current administration doesn’t release it, I see no reason to stay silent about the hypocrisy. Partisanship will flare either way, but the true victims, everyone harmed by Epstein and his network, deserve attention over politics. Sadly, the victims get hurt no matter what, and the irony here is tragic.

I don't think there is a "list" of any kind. From what I've "heard", it's a large collection of materials like videos, photos, emails, whatever. Evidently (again, what I've "heard") the haul of materials was VERY large.

Is there some spreadsheet with all the specifics? That would be great, but I doubt it.

The bottom line remains: This was one fucked up crime, it sure sounds like it was a playground for the rich and powerful, a lot of girls were hurt, and any slow-walking or downplaying of this (like "nothingburger") is rotten and hyperpartisan.

EVERYTHING is political now, and what pisses me off is that stuff like this is not about politics, but it's MADE to be, while not enough perps are being held accountable.

 

[Godboy]

That is not what Trump campaigned on.

Trump didnt "campaign on Epstein". He mentioned it, barely. We are getting virtually EVERYTHING he promised.

You didnt get a single thing that Biden campaigned on.

 

[forkup]

I don't think there is a "list" of any kind. From what I've "heard", it's a large collection of materials like videos, photos, emails, whatever. Evidently (again, what I've "heard") the haul of materials was VERY large.

Is there some spreadsheet with all the specifics? That would be great, but I doubt it.

The bottom line remains: This was one fucked up crime, it sure sounds like it was a playground for the rich and powerful, a lot of girls were hurt, and any slow-walking or downplaying of this (like "nothingburger") is rotten and hyperpartisan.

EVERYTHING is political now, and what pisses me off is that stuff like this is not about politics, but it's MADE to be, while not enough perps are being held accountable.

I think your argument assumes there’s a cover-up and that releasing all the Epstein material is automatically justified. That’s not obviously true. There’s plenty of suspicious behavior to worry about, but I like to hold judgment until there’s enough evidence to make a provisional call.

Legally, I’d keep ambiguous stuff under wraps. Releasing it could fuel partisanship and unfairly implicate people who aren’t proven guilty. Trump’s birthday card to Epstein? Enough to investigate, but not enough for a grand jury. Principle and procedure say caution.

Politically and morally, though, Trump has painted himself into a corner. By teasing the files and weaponizing them, he’s made public scrutiny inevitable. Now, if there’s wrongdoing, especially involving him, restraint is almost impossible to justify.

So your assumption pushes for full disclosure , but my take draws a line between law, politics, and morality. Think of it like this: the law says “don’t yell fire in a crowded theater,” but Trump’s antics are standing on stage with a flamethrower. You can’t just look away

Legally though I don't think your frustration over not enough people being arrested and therefore releasing the material holds water. And to be honest if it is what you think it is it won't solve the frustration but simply give it more oxygen to increase.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The president is a failure to his base for not exposing the enemies of the people

Because Trump IS the enemy of the people.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Justice Dept.: 'Poor judgment' used in Epstein plea deal​

AP News
https://apnews.com › article › jeffrey-epstein-florida-e2...
Nov 12, 2020 — A Justice Department report has found that former Labor Secretary Alex Acosta exercised “poor judgment” in handling an investigation into wealthy financier ...

A Justice Department report has found that former Labor Secretary Alex Acosta exercised “poor judgment” in handling an investigation into wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein when he was a top federal prosecutor in Florida. But it also says he did not engage in professional misconduct.

The 350-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, marks the culmination of an investigation by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility into Acosta’s handling of a secret plea deal with Epstein, who had been accused of sexually abusing dozens of underage girls.

Though the report faulted Acosta for his judgment, it concluded that his actions in arranging the deal did not constitute misconduct, and that none of the prosecutors involved committed misconduct in their interactions with the victims. The conclusions are likely to disappoint the victims, who have long hoped the internal investigation would hold Justice Department officials accountable for actions they say allowed Epstein to escape justice.

Thanks Bill Barr.

Trump Defends Labor Secretary Acosta Over Epstein Plea ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2019/07/09 › trump-defends-lab...
Jul 9, 2019 — Asked about Acosta, Trump said the plea deal happened many years ago and that he did not think this was a decision that Acosta made on his own.

 

[Mac1958]

I think your argument assumes there’s a cover-up and that releasing all the Epstein material is automatically justified. That’s not obviously true. There’s plenty of suspicious behavior to worry about, but I like to hold judgment until there’s enough evidence to make a provisional call.

Legally, I’d keep ambiguous stuff under wraps. Releasing it could fuel partisanship and unfairly implicate people who aren’t proven guilty. Trump’s birthday card to Epstein? Enough to investigate, but not enough for a grand jury. Principle and procedure say caution.

Politically and morally, though, Trump has painted himself into a corner. By teasing the files and weaponizing them, he’s made public scrutiny inevitable. Now, if there’s wrongdoing, especially involving him, restraint is almost impossible to justify.

So your assumption pushes for full disclosure , but my take draws a line between law, politics, and morality. Think of it like this: the law says “don’t yell fire in a crowded theater,” but Trump’s antics are standing on stage with a flamethrower. You can’t just look away

Legally though I don't think your frustration over not enough people being arrested and therefore releasing the material holds water. And to be honest if it is what you think it is it won't solve the frustration but simply give it more oxygen to increase.

I didn't cross over from "interested" to "pissed" until Bondi and Trump and the GQP went sideways with it, and the base suddenly became so seemingly disinterested. This began when Musk made his accusation, without providing proof. Overnight, it was no bid deal.

Also, the only reason I bring up the Biden aspect is that I see Trumpsters constantly asking we he didn't release the info, as if that absolves the way this administration has handled this, the way it ignores the crimes, and the way his base has suddenly done an about-face from righteous demands to "political dud nothing burger". It's not like it's not noticeable.

 

[DonGlock26]

I can't get an answer to that question from any of these shit Libs on here. I guess we have to keep asking though!

It just showcases how pathetic their lies are.