The Environment Forum now decidedly one sided!!

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Why can’t you prove it?

Do you trust Roy Spencer?

 

[jc456]

Do you believe that the presence of an atmosphere creates a GHG effect?

Why does it change at night?

 

[jc456]

Do you trust Roy Spencer?

I want evidence

 

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Why does it change at night?

Does it? And why does that matter? According to you it never changes, right? Because CO2 isn't a GHG, right?

 

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I want evidence

Why don't you tell me what you believe? Do you believe as EMH does? That there is no warming? That CO2 concentrations don't do anything at any concentration?

But to answer your question, it's literally a physical process where GHG molecules vibrate and re-emit the energy in all directions. What's your understanding of the process?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[EMH]

Are you going to ignore the word "temperature?"

What temperature is THE WATER???

 

[EMH]

Global Warming is the FRAUD.

The climate does change.

Do not get WORDSMITHED...

 

[EMH]

How does this not prove it? Do you see the total atmosphere? Do you see water vapor? Do you see CO2? Which of those two most resemble the total atmosphere?

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ALL gasses absorb some part of EM spectrum.

The reason increasing CO2 does nothing is because IR is WEAK EM.

And whether the IR is coming or going, having CO2 in atmosphere absorb and re-emit still does nothing.

And all the other gasses in the atmosphere cool at night and warm during day...

ATMOSPHERE is not the cause of Earth climate change. Greenland froze while North America thawed. How did ATMOSPHERE do that???

Answer - it didn't

 

[EMH]

CO2 is a relatively weak GHG but to argue it has no effect is dumb.

There is no "arguing."

There is ACTUAL DATA that proves it and disproves all of your BULLSHIT about it.

 

[jc456]

Does it? And why does that matter? According to you it never changes, right? Because CO2 isn't a GHG, right?

are you suggesting that at night there's less CO2? Why does it get cooler?

 

[jc456]

CO2 is a relatively weak GHG but to argue it has no effect is dumb.

well then all you need to do is post the data that proves that statement.

 

[jc456]

Why don't you tell me what you believe? Do you believe as EMH does? That there is no warming? That CO2 concentrations don't do anything at any concentration?

But to answer your question, it's literally a physical process where GHG molecules vibrate and re-emit the energy in all directions. What's your understanding of the process?

That CO2 provides warming, I do not believe it. If it were true, then the night wouldn't cool down as I already stated. Humidity causes more warming, Pressure causes more warming, but neither provides sustained warming that causes a rise in global temperatures. CO2 is good for plant growth so humans can exist.

NASA Satellites See Upper Atmosphere Cooling and Contracting Due to Climate Change - NASA

The sky isn’t falling, but scientists have found that parts of the upper atmosphere are gradually contracting in response to rising human-made greenhouse gas

www.nasa.gov

As a result, an increase in greenhouses gases like carbon dioxide means more heat is lost to space — and the upper atmosphere cools. When air cools, it contracts, the same way a balloon shrinks if you put it in the freezer.

 

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That CO2 provides warming, I do not believe it. If it were true, then the night wouldn't cool down as I already stated. Humidity causes more warming, Pressure causes more warming, but neither provides sustained warming that causes a rise in global temperatures. CO2 is good for plant growth so humans can exist.

NASA Satellites See Upper Atmosphere Cooling and Contracting Due to Climate Change - NASA

The sky isn’t falling, but scientists have found that parts of the upper atmosphere are gradually contracting in response to rising human-made greenhouse gas

www.nasa.gov

As a result, an increase in greenhouses gases like carbon dioxide means more heat is lost to space — and the upper atmosphere cools. When air cools, it contracts, the same way a balloon shrinks if you put it in the freezer.

So no GHG effect whatsoever?

 

[jc456]

So no GHG effect whatsoever?

I gave you it makes it cooler. So there's that.

 

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I gave you it makes it cooler. So there's that.

So if you reverse it then it must make it warmer, right?

 

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If it were true, then the night wouldn't cool down as I already stated.

Doesn't the night cool down because the sun isn't shining?

 

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Humidity causes more warming,

Is that because water vapor is the dominant GHG in earth's atmosphere?

 

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Pressure causes more warming

You mean atmospheric pressure? How does atmospheric pressure cause warming?

But when you say pressure causes MORE warming, aren't you admitting that CO2 causes some warming?

 

[jc456]

You mean atmospheric pressure? How does atmospheric pressure cause warming?

But when you say pressure causes MORE warming, aren't you admitting that CO2 causes some warming?

Which is it, is it pressure can't or it can now explain? You contradicted your post