The end is near for North Korea

[jwoodie]

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

Thank you Admiral Stockdale.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

Thank you Admiral Stockdale.

Thank you wannabe something other than you are!

I see you selectively quoted my post to hide your ignorance. Bravo!

 

[jwoodie]

It is time to end the 1954 Armistice and take out Kim Jong Un. The idea that China or Russia would go to war to save him is ludicrous.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is time to end the 1954 Armistice and take out Kim Jong Un. The idea that China or Russia would go to war to save him is ludicrous.

Well, except for the fact that the armistice was in 1953.

 

[usmbguest5318]

We have the capability to shoot down anything the fat boy can throw at us.

Presently, that's wishful thinking. It's been alluded that we have tools for doing so.

It's a fact we have tools for doing so.

So, do you not believe U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley's statement: "Make no mistake. North Korea's launch of an ICBM is a clear and sharp....?" I for one don't think someone in her position would say "North Korea's launch of and [sic] ICBM" if North Korea didn't launch an ICBM. Had Trump said it, I'd be skeptical -- every word that man utters must be carefully fact checked -- but I don't think everyone he's emplaced in his Administration is as prevaricating as he.

To qualify as an ICBM by military standards, the missile must travel at a velocity of 5 to 10 km/sec. There is no data yet saying North Korea achieved this milestone.

It's a fact we have tools for doing so.

That we do. I'm not denying that we have systems that are designed to do so. How effective are they? Doe they even work against ICBMs? Having aspirin doesn't mean every pain one gets will be attenuated by taking it.

Did you miss the qualifying statement with which I followed the sentence you have above quoted? Let me repeat it for you:

Those tools have yet to be proven, and, to the extent we're talking nuclear weapons, the bar of expectation is very high; it's "anything and everything."

I've rummaged through the memorabilia from my kids' youth and dug out my their crayons so I can explain to you the implications of my statement:

• Yes, we tools to try to intercept the projectiles the DPRK may fire at the U.S. or other places.
• The effectiveness of those tools is not known to be 100%; thus it'd be imprudent to glibly discount the fact that our adversary, North Korea, has a weapon system, an ICBM, that can only be stopped using those tools.
  • Shielded from Oversight The Disastrous US Approach to Strategic Missile Defense
  • Ground-based Midcourse Defense (GMD)
  • The Limits of U.S. Missile Defense
  • How Good is the new missile defense system the US just deployed in South Korea?
• Even a single nuclear weapon's detonating in/over the U.S. and its possessions and its allies' countries is untenable in most people's minds; therefore we cannot afford having the interception tools miss.

After reading the linked content, tell me. Might it be that your insouciant tone and reliance on the aforementioned tools have been procrustean?

 

[THAI EXPAT]

Richard-H comments reply.
1. Forget using nukes against NoKo. The fallout would eventually kill tens of thousands in S. Korea.

That is only true of Strategic Nuclear Weapons, and I agreed in my analysis that an ICBM MX- Peacekeeper weapon was out of consideration for the reasons you mention. But the US has TACTICAL Nuclear weapons with limited fallout problems.
Tactical nuclear weapons include gravity bombs, short-range missiles, artillery shells, land mines, depth charges, and torpedoes which are equipped with nuclear warheads. Also in this category are nuclear armed ground-based or shipborne surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and air-to-air missiles.

Small, two-man portable, or truck-portable, tactical weapons (sometimes misleadingly referred to as suitcase nukes), such as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition and the Davy Crockett recoilless rifle (recoilless smoothbore gun), have been developed, although the difficulty of combining sufficient yield with portability could limit their military utility. In wartime, such explosives could be used for demolishing "choke-points" to enemy offensives, such as at tunnels, narrow mountain passes, and long viaducts.

There is no precise definition of the "tactical" category, neither considering range nor yield of the nuclear weapon.[2][3] The yield of tactical nuclear weapons is generally lower than that of strategic nuclear weapons, but larger ones are still very powerful, and some variable-yield warheads serve in both roles, for example the W89 200 kiloton (1/5Mt) warhead armed both the tactical Sea Lance anti-submarine rocket propelled depth charge and the strategic bomber launched SRAM II stand off missile. Modern tactical nuclear warheads have yields up to the tens of kilotons, or potentially hundreds, several times that of the weapons used in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Specifically on the Korean peninsula with a nuclear armed North Korea facing off against a NPT compliant South Korea there have been calls to request a return of US owned and operated short range low yield nuclear weapons, nomenclatured as tactical by the US military, to provide a local strategic deterrent to the North's growing domestically produced nuclear arsenal and delivery systems.[4]

Some tactical nuclear weapons have specific features meant to enhance their battlefield characteristics, such as variable yield which allow their explosive power to be varied over a wide range for different situations, or enhanced radiation weapons (the so-called "neutron bombs") which are meant to maximize ionizing radiation exposure while minimizing blast effects.

Strategic missiles and bombers are assigned preplanned targets including enemy airfields, radars, and surface to air defenses, not only counterforce strikes on hardened or wide area bomber, submarine, and missile bases. This strategic mission is to eliminate the enemy nation's national defenses to enable following bombers and missiles to more realistically threaten the enemy nation's strategic forces, command, and economy rather than targeting mobile military assets in near real time using tactical weapons optimized for time sensitive strike mission often in close proximity to friendly forces.[5] Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia

2. Very powerful simultaneous strikes against NoKo positions north of Seoul, NoKo missile & nuke facilities, and NoKo troops just north of the DMZ should disable NoKo's offensive capabilities.

I agree this is the most likely tactic, but also the one with the most risk. We don't know what NOKO has hidden on Cargo ships, off the coast of our allies, or where all their Submarines are! We can't be assured of success on the first strike either! A calculated risk!

3. Follow up #2 with a limited invasion of NoKo, taking the high ground north of Seoul and pushing them back from the DMZ.

That will be the job of the South Korean Army, 6 million mostly reserves, and 30,000 US Army stationed in South Korea. Marines and Airborne from Okinawa can be counted on to join in!

4. Watch the Chinese pitch a fit, but do nothing.

Agree. The next to last thing China wants is a democratic unified Korea on its southern border. But the last thing they want is to lose economic ties with the USA and Japan

GOOD COMMENTS!

 

[Hum Dinger]

1. Forget using nukes against NoKo. The fallout would eventually kill tens of thousands in S. Korea.

2. Very powerful simultaneous strikes against NoKo positions north of Seoul, NoKo missile & nuke facilities, and NoKo troops just north of the DMZ should disable NoKo's offensive capabilities.

3. Follow up #2 with a limited invasion of NoKo, taking the high ground north of Seoul and pushing them back from the DMZ.

4. Watch the Chinese pitch a fit, but do nothing.

#1 Agreed!

#2 With what? Do you guys have a secret stash of the US military somewhere that no one in the world knows about?

#3 With what? You don't think the Chinese won't react the same way they did in the 1950s?

#4 Already covered in #3

#2 I have no doubt that the U.S. military has lot's of secret stashes and only a very limited number of people know about each. Besides, there's a huge difference between striking NoKo positions on the DMZ and the types of bombing required for the Persian gulf war and Iraq invasion - the NoKo positions are concentrated in a relatively small area, so carpet bombing with b-52s should work.

#3 The Chinese wouldn't do squat. We could have stopped them back in 1952 if the U.S. high command wanted. We certainly can stop them now...and they know it.

#3a Back in 1952 we could have carpet bombed all the Chinese coastal cities, we can still do that now.

OK. I'm sorry! Now you have joined the "too stupid for prime time" crowd.

Secret stashes of troops? You are funny!

Do you think the Chinese and North Koreans are just going to sit idly by and watch B-52s assemble and then carpet bomb north of the DMZ?

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

I was referring to secret technologies and other military capabilities, not troops, dim wit.

So apparently you think that the years of military exercises involving B-52s were just for fun. Yet it's those very same B-52 that gets the NoKos pissing in their pants. Guess again...It's only a few minutes from S. Korean airspace to the target area. Not enough time for the NoKos to react.

 

[usmbguest5318]

View attachment 137078 Today, President Trump is faced with the need to destroy North Korea, and murder at least a million people who follow a Cult that has taken over their country. This is nothing new! President Truman faced the same decision in 1945. To murder a million Japanese who followed a Cult willing to fight to the last person.

The parallels are uncanny. Truman was newly in office, as Trump is newly in office. Harry had the fact we were at war on his side, but I don't think that made the decision any less difficult.
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Lets look at the choices facing Trump, and of course America.




NOKO continues to improve its ability to wreak havoc on the world. They continually express their intention to develop Nuclear weapons that can destroy cities and kill millions of people in the most horrible way.. To what end? This is not defense, it is aggression. No assurance from China or USA, or South Korea will placate their paranoia.

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If they just shot rockets into the ocean like petulant children, this might be tolerable for the short term. But they have declared that as soon as they have perfected long range missiles, they will begin full scale production. To what end? Can the world afford to wait and see? Are the missiles for sale to Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, ISIS Caliphate? CAN THE WORLD/USA AFFORD TO SPECULATE?



Option # 1. Wait and see what happens. Perhaps Kim Jong Un – stable will. Be removed in a coup. Not very likely he has murdered his older brother, Uncles, and any Military leaders he see's as a threat.



Option # 2. The Chinese will invade. A possibility if they see USA takeover as inevitable. But the constant left opposition to Trump and talk of impeachment keeps them in doubt Trump will act!



Option # 3. Full capitulation to NOKO and withdrawal of US forces from Asia. Fortress America has been rejected every time it is proposed. We are the world, and sooner or later get drawn into it's war's. This is the least likely option based on America's new agression policy.



Option # 4. A limited Military strike by USA, S. Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Not a good idea as this would strengthen the NOKO resolve that they must fight to survive, and USA is not ready for another prolonged WAR, where thousands die.

4A. But it is possible to destroy their missiles and Nuclear facilities, and totally annihilate Pyongyang, killing most of the Command Generals and hopefully Jong Un. It is questionable that there is adequate command in the field to act against the South. Most of the High Command prefers the luxury of Pyongyang. That vaunted Artillery the Media keeps referring to, is WWII surplus that can reach the DMZ, but not Seoul, and if activated can be taken out with carpet bombing B-1 bombers. It is not Seoul that is in danger, it is the 30,000 troops we have on the ground in the DMZ. If you see a sudden troop movement or evacuation, you will know this is the option chosen

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Option # 5 All out destruction of NOKO, their Capital and Military! Truman had the same option, to spare Japanese civilian lives and spend American lives in a street by street, city by city conflict that would also kill civilians and prolong the war, or drop a Nuclear bomb. We know the choice he made.

Trump has the same option. ONE MX-Peacekeeper ICBM with 10 warheads could destroy Pyongyang, the Nuclear facilities in the North, and the Military in the South. No American casualties, but an environmental mess that would leave half NOKO uninhabitable, not to mention radiation contamination of parts of Russia and China, as well as SOKO.

NO. Nuclear weapons are a doomsday option only.

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The most likely action will come from our bases in Okinawa, cruise missiles from Submarines already in position an B-1 bombers already in position in SOKO that have mapped the 38th parallel and targeted the ground forces positions.



The result will be destruction of NOKO, greater than Dresden and Hiroshima combined.



Make no mistake! USA coalition has all the forces needed in place. All that is needed is a consensuses by Japan, SOKO, China and Russia, that all options are expended, or a misdirected missile by NOKO.



As Presidents, Trump and Truman have no choice but to be the murderers of millions.

Trump has to be wondering, “What the hell was I thinking, taking this job?”






Of course the LEFT will say it was done to take attention away from the Russia investigation, but those idiots would say that ISIS is no threat, or Trump should be impeached anyway.
The liars in the media will play Trump as a monster who wagged the Dog, and the world will condemn the USA as blood thirsty murderers!

It is questionable if China took any action against NOKO. In any event it had no affect as two more missiles have been launched since. As I stated, the idiot left gives hope to America's enemies that Trump has been neutralized and will not act. But USA is still under UN mandate to unite the two Korea's. The current cease fire has always been tenuous, and all Trump need do is notify Congress of his actions AFTER the bombs fall.
The only incentive China has, is to maintain their advantage in trade over the USA. They already have their troupes in place to prevent a mass migration.

There is enough fire power in place to destroy all missiles and artillery of NOKO. If 1 or 2 survived and were launched, the THAAD system is in place to take them down. The WWII artillery and tanks on the border will all be destroyed by B-1 bombers.



Every location is mapped and any movement tracked by satellite! U-2 flights have been mapping everything NOKO does. You remember them from the Cold War days. Well they still have the best areal reconnaissance capability of any system.
The purpose of using the MOAB bomb on Afghanistan, was to show NOKO that their underground launch facilities were easy targets.
1. Stealth B-2 and F-22 will take out all electricity and radar.
2. F-35 with night vision will destroy all NOKO aircraft.
3. All mobile missiles will be destroyed by Tomahawk cruise missiles.
4. All NOKO ground forces near the 38th. parallel will be destroyed by B-1 low altitude bombers.
5. All underground missile locations will be destroyed by MOAB's droped by high altitude B-52, B-1 and B-2's.

What is left of NOKO will be destroyed by SOKO aircraft and carrier based forces. This will be a massive slaughter made necessary by NOKO willingness to sacrifice their people. The left will call Trump a war criminal and demand he be tried in world court, but that will be after one million are dead!
SOKO will have a massive cleanup after reunification, but it will create a new rival of China.

IT IS A BIG GAMBLE! Does NOKO have hidden agents with dirty bombs in the worlds capitals? A new face of terror!


Please provide a link with the OP. THAI EXPAT

I pick the first option while the pentagon works stringently on implementing an accurate missile defense system which will allow the U.S. to shoot them down. But in the long run, America needs to get the best hackers money can buy to either fizzle the missiles out before lift off or even better, have them circle the country and then return to their place of origin where they'll then explode on contact. Muhahaha!

We tried, but NOKO has hackers too! Sometimes the only way to prevent Evil, is to physically destroy it! Reality is a bitch!
The Pentagon Has Been Secretly Hacking Kim Jong-un's Missiles

dailycaller.com/2017/03/04/the-pentagons-been-secretly-hacking-kim-jong-uns-missiles

Mar 4, 2017 ... The U.S. is reportedly engaging in a cyber warfare campaign against North Korea's missile program. Three years ago, the White House ...

Is The Pentagon Hacking Kim Jong-un's Missile | The Daily Caller
dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/is-the-pentagon-hacking-kim-jong-uns-missiles

Apr 24, 2017 ... Is the U.S. hacking North Korean missiles? If it is, the operation does not appear to be overwhelmingly successful.

US Cyber Attack "Sabotaged Kim's Missile Launch", Former British ...
www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-16/us-cyber-attack-sabotaged-kims-missile-launch-former-british-foreign-secretary-claim

Apr 16, 2017 ... US Cyber Attack "Sabotaged Kim's Missile Launch", Former British Foreign Secretary .... Just hack the guidence and turn it back on them.

Is the United States Really Blowing Up North Korea's Missiles ...
foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/19/the-united-states-isnt-hacking-north-koreas-missile-launches

Apr 19, 2017 ... Correlation is not causation, of course, and a simple review of North Korea's missile launches suggests that if the United States is hacking North ...

I had heard rumors that the U.S. was suspected of maybe hacking their computers but I read nothing that confirmed that. Even if that was the case, it appears our hackers have since been shut out and now it's full speed ahead for fatboy.

What I find worrisome is that Kim-jong Un appears to be deliberately trying to initiate a war. As if he wants Trump to be the bad guy and start it. Why would he do that? Something's stinky here. Is the master plan that if/when that happens, China, Russia, and Iran plan to jump in against the U.S as well? And this while we're stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to protect our allies S. Korea and Japan?

Because we don't have the information to make a knowledgeable decision Skieler, we are left to speculate. It is possible that KJU wants to be the last leader of NOKO, something like a suicide bomber on a grand scale, but I don't think so!
I believe he wants NOKO to be the Walmart of Nuclear and conventional weapons! He has announced that as soon as testing is completed on the selection of missiles, medium, long and ICBM range, his country will go into mass production.
All these missile tests are a sales presentation to Iran, ISIS, Hezbollah, and the other misfits of the world.
He does not believe USA will take the action necessary to stop him. American media, broadcast daily how strong NOKO is and how our allies would suffer great losses if USA attacked. Talk of Trump Impeachment, Russian investigations, Anti Trump rants by Democrats and some Republicans make KJU think Trump is too weak politically to go to war. He thinks USA is bluffing.
Only strong Military Action will stop NOKO from becoming the sales center for mass destruction for anyone who can afford it. KJU is not crazy or suicidal! He sees an opportunity to make his country Great, in a chaotic world that is incapable of dealing with terrorism and aggression in a coordinated way

I believe he wants NOKO to be the Walmart of Nuclear and conventional weapons! He has announced that as soon as testing is completed on the selection of missiles, medium, long and ICBM range, his country will go into mass production.

I agree with you about KJU's intentions, but I haven't seen or heard of his announcing he plans to sell them. I have heard of his mass production plans.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

1. Forget using nukes against NoKo. The fallout would eventually kill tens of thousands in S. Korea.

2. Very powerful simultaneous strikes against NoKo positions north of Seoul, NoKo missile & nuke facilities, and NoKo troops just north of the DMZ should disable NoKo's offensive capabilities.

3. Follow up #2 with a limited invasion of NoKo, taking the high ground north of Seoul and pushing them back from the DMZ.

4. Watch the Chinese pitch a fit, but do nothing.

#1 Agreed!

#2 With what? Do you guys have a secret stash of the US military somewhere that no one in the world knows about?

#3 With what? You don't think the Chinese won't react the same way they did in the 1950s?

#4 Already covered in #3

#2 I have no doubt that the U.S. military has lot's of secret stashes and only a very limited number of people know about each. Besides, there's a huge difference between striking NoKo positions on the DMZ and the types of bombing required for the Persian gulf war and Iraq invasion - the NoKo positions are concentrated in a relatively small area, so carpet bombing with b-52s should work.

#3 The Chinese wouldn't do squat. We could have stopped them back in 1952 if the U.S. high command wanted. We certainly can stop them now...and they know it.

#3a Back in 1952 we could have carpet bombed all the Chinese coastal cities, we can still do that now.

OK. I'm sorry! Now you have joined the "too stupid for prime time" crowd.

Secret stashes of troops? You are funny!

Do you think the Chinese and North Koreans are just going to sit idly by and watch B-52s assemble and then carpet bomb north of the DMZ?

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

I was referring to secret technologies and other military capabilities, not troops, dim wit.

So apparently you think that the years of military exercises involving B-52s were just for fun. Yet it's those very same B-52 that gets the NoKos pissing in their pants. Guess again...It's only a few minutes from S. Korean airspace to the target area. Not enough time for the NoKos to react.

The B-52 is a "big ugly fat fellow", (polite form) hence its nickname "BUFF". It is slow as fog off of warm shit on a cold day. Everybody in South Korea and probably North Korea would know when it took off.

How many B-52s will it take to get the job done? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

I have done exercises with B-52s. I shot them down before they ever knew where we were. Not impressed. Bombing caves in Tora Bora is one thing. Flying against a modern coordinated air defense networks is another.

 

[Timmy]

It is time to end the 1954 Armistice and take out Kim Jong Un. The idea that China or Russia would go to war to save him is ludicrous.

Well, except for the fact that the armistice was in 1953.

He's talking about the secret stash arm assist!

 

[Hum Dinger]

Richard-H comments reply.
1. Forget using nukes against NoKo. The fallout would eventually kill tens of thousands in S. Korea.

That is only true of Strategic Nuclear Weapons, and I agreed in my analysis that an ICBM MX- Peacekeeper weapon was out of consideration for the reasons you mention. But the US has TACTICAL Nuclear weapons with limited fallout problems.
Tactical nuclear weapons include gravity bombs, short-range missiles, artillery shells, land mines, depth charges, and torpedoes which are equipped with nuclear warheads. Also in this category are nuclear armed ground-based or shipborne surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and air-to-air missiles.

Small, two-man portable, or truck-portable, tactical weapons (sometimes misleadingly referred to as suitcase nukes), such as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition and the Davy Crockett recoilless rifle (recoilless smoothbore gun), have been developed, although the difficulty of combining sufficient yield with portability could limit their military utility. In wartime, such explosives could be used for demolishing "choke-points" to enemy offensives, such as at tunnels, narrow mountain passes, and long viaducts.

There is no precise definition of the "tactical" category, neither considering range nor yield of the nuclear weapon.[2][3] The yield of tactical nuclear weapons is generally lower than that of strategic nuclear weapons, but larger ones are still very powerful, and some variable-yield warheads serve in both roles, for example the W89 200 kiloton (1/5Mt) warhead armed both the tactical Sea Lance anti-submarine rocket propelled depth charge and the strategic bomber launched SRAM II stand off missile. Modern tactical nuclear warheads have yields up to the tens of kilotons, or potentially hundreds, several times that of the weapons used in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Specifically on the Korean peninsula with a nuclear armed North Korea facing off against a NPT compliant South Korea there have been calls to request a return of US owned and operated short range low yield nuclear weapons, nomenclatured as tactical by the US military, to provide a local strategic deterrent to the North's growing domestically produced nuclear arsenal and delivery systems.[4]

Some tactical nuclear weapons have specific features meant to enhance their battlefield characteristics, such as variable yield which allow their explosive power to be varied over a wide range for different situations, or enhanced radiation weapons (the so-called "neutron bombs") which are meant to maximize ionizing radiation exposure while minimizing blast effects.

Strategic missiles and bombers are assigned preplanned targets including enemy airfields, radars, and surface to air defenses, not only counterforce strikes on hardened or wide area bomber, submarine, and missile bases. This strategic mission is to eliminate the enemy nation's national defenses to enable following bombers and missiles to more realistically threaten the enemy nation's strategic forces, command, and economy rather than targeting mobile military assets in near real time using tactical weapons optimized for time sensitive strike mission often in close proximity to friendly forces.[5] Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia

2. Very powerful simultaneous strikes against NoKo positions north of Seoul, NoKo missile & nuke facilities, and NoKo troops just north of the DMZ should disable NoKo's offensive capabilities.

I agree this is the most likely tactic, but also the one with the most risk. We don't know what NOKO has hidden on Cargo ships, off the coast of our allies, or where all their Submarines are! We can't be assured of success on the first strike either! A calculated risk!

3. Follow up #2 with a limited invasion of NoKo, taking the high ground north of Seoul and pushing them back from the DMZ.

That will be the job of the South Korean Army, 6 million mostly reserves, and 30,000 US Army stationed in South Korea. Marines and Airborne from Okinawa can be counted on to join in!

4. Watch the Chinese pitch a fit, but do nothing.

Agree. The next to last thing China wants is a democratic unified Korea on its southern border. But the last thing they want is to lose economic ties with the USA and Japan

GOOD COMMENTS!

Tactical nuclear landmines?!?!?! Holy shit! Who was the genius that thought those up!

I'd be surprised if we didn't know where all their subs are. Our ASW capabilities are tremendous and I doubt the NoKos have anything that has a chance of going undetected.

The first thing Trump should be doing is ramping up U.S troops in S. Korea. The best way to convince the NoKos to No Nukes is to start a massive build up in the region. Make it clear that this is not business as usual.

Besides that Trump should twist Moon's arm into installing THAAD systems.

This isn't about the defense S. Korea anymore, this is about the defense of the U.S. and S. Korea better get on board or we'll act against N. Korea without them - in which case they'll wish they were on board with us.

 

[Hum Dinger]

1. Forget using nukes against NoKo. The fallout would eventually kill tens of thousands in S. Korea.

2. Very powerful simultaneous strikes against NoKo positions north of Seoul, NoKo missile & nuke facilities, and NoKo troops just north of the DMZ should disable NoKo's offensive capabilities.

3. Follow up #2 with a limited invasion of NoKo, taking the high ground north of Seoul and pushing them back from the DMZ.

4. Watch the Chinese pitch a fit, but do nothing.

#1 Agreed!

#2 With what? Do you guys have a secret stash of the US military somewhere that no one in the world knows about?

#3 With what? You don't think the Chinese won't react the same way they did in the 1950s?

#4 Already covered in #3

#2 I have no doubt that the U.S. military has lot's of secret stashes and only a very limited number of people know about each. Besides, there's a huge difference between striking NoKo positions on the DMZ and the types of bombing required for the Persian gulf war and Iraq invasion - the NoKo positions are concentrated in a relatively small area, so carpet bombing with b-52s should work.

#3 The Chinese wouldn't do squat. We could have stopped them back in 1952 if the U.S. high command wanted. We certainly can stop them now...and they know it.

#3a Back in 1952 we could have carpet bombed all the Chinese coastal cities, we can still do that now.

OK. I'm sorry! Now you have joined the "too stupid for prime time" crowd.

Secret stashes of troops? You are funny!

Do you think the Chinese and North Koreans are just going to sit idly by and watch B-52s assemble and then carpet bomb north of the DMZ?

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

I was referring to secret technologies and other military capabilities, not troops, dim wit.

So apparently you think that the years of military exercises involving B-52s were just for fun. Yet it's those very same B-52 that gets the NoKos pissing in their pants. Guess again...It's only a few minutes from S. Korean airspace to the target area. Not enough time for the NoKos to react.

The B-52 is a "big ugly fat fellow", (polite form) hence its nickname "BUFF". It is slow as fog off of warm shit on a cold day. Everybody in South Korea and probably North Korea would know when it took off.

How many B-52s will it take to get the job done? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

I have done exercises with B-52s. I shot them down before they ever knew where we were. Not impressed. Bombing caves in Tora Bora is one thing. Flying against a modern coordinated air defense networks is another.

So why do we do so many exercises with the S. Koreans involving B-52's. Just 'cuase they look pretty?

Do we not have any effective heavy bombers?

As far as how many we'd need, it would depend on what ordinance they were dropping.

I'd like to think that since 1953 the U.S. military has come up with some effective way of defeating NoKo. My belief has been that the only reason why we haven't attacked is that no President wants to give an order that would mean the instantaneous deaths of tens of thousands....possibly hundreds of thousands of N. Korean troops without provocation.

Of course, now we have provocation.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

#1 Agreed!

#2 With what? Do you guys have a secret stash of the US military somewhere that no one in the world knows about?

#3 With what? You don't think the Chinese won't react the same way they did in the 1950s?

#4 Already covered in #3

#2 I have no doubt that the U.S. military has lot's of secret stashes and only a very limited number of people know about each. Besides, there's a huge difference between striking NoKo positions on the DMZ and the types of bombing required for the Persian gulf war and Iraq invasion - the NoKo positions are concentrated in a relatively small area, so carpet bombing with b-52s should work.

#3 The Chinese wouldn't do squat. We could have stopped them back in 1952 if the U.S. high command wanted. We certainly can stop them now...and they know it.

#3a Back in 1952 we could have carpet bombed all the Chinese coastal cities, we can still do that now.

OK. I'm sorry! Now you have joined the "too stupid for prime time" crowd.

Secret stashes of troops? You are funny!

Do you think the Chinese and North Koreans are just going to sit idly by and watch B-52s assemble and then carpet bomb north of the DMZ?

Please pass out some of what you are smoking to the other users. Some of you are desperately in need of medication, illegal or otherwise.

I was referring to secret technologies and other military capabilities, not troops, dim wit.

So apparently you think that the years of military exercises involving B-52s were just for fun. Yet it's those very same B-52 that gets the NoKos pissing in their pants. Guess again...It's only a few minutes from S. Korean airspace to the target area. Not enough time for the NoKos to react.

The B-52 is a "big ugly fat fellow", (polite form) hence its nickname "BUFF". It is slow as fog off of warm shit on a cold day. Everybody in South Korea and probably North Korea would know when it took off.

How many B-52s will it take to get the job done? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

I have done exercises with B-52s. I shot them down before they ever knew where we were. Not impressed. Bombing caves in Tora Bora is one thing. Flying against a modern coordinated air defense networks is another.

So why do we do so many exercises with the S. Koreans involving B-52's. Just 'cuase they look pretty?

Do we not have any effective heavy bombers?

As far as how many we'd need, it would depend on what ordinance they were dropping.

I'd like to think that since 1953 the U.S. military has come up with some effective way of defeating NoKo. My belief has been that the only reason why we haven't attacked is that no President wants to give an order that would mean the instantaneous deaths of tens of thousands....possibly hundreds of thousands of N. Korean troops without provocation.

Of course, now we have provocation.

If you are going to drop conventional ordnance on conventional targets AFTER achieving air superiority, then perhaps you can see how it is done. What has changed is that NK is a nuclear power, as far as we can tell. That means no conventional attacks without the serious threat of it quickly escalating to a nuclear exchange, and that does no one any good.

BTW, just FYI, those B-52s fly in from Guam.

 

[jwoodie]

If you are going to drop conventional ordnance on conventional targets AFTER achieving air superiority, then perhaps you can see how it is done. What has changed is that NK is a nuclear power, as far as we can tell. That means no conventional attacks without the serious threat of it quickly escalating to a nuclear exchange, and that does no one any good.

Have you always been a sniper or just on this forum?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you are going to drop conventional ordnance on conventional targets AFTER achieving air superiority, then perhaps you can see how it is done. What has changed is that NK is a nuclear power, as far as we can tell. That means no conventional attacks without the serious threat of it quickly escalating to a nuclear exchange, and that does no one any good.

Have you always been a sniper or just on this forum?

In what context of the word "sniper"?

 

[jwoodie]

In what context of the word "sniper"?

One who "shoots down" the ideas of others without presenting any of his own.

 

[Vandalshandle]

N. Korea had better be careful, or Trump will tweet them to death.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In what context of the word "sniper"?

One who "shoots down" the ideas of others without presenting any of his own.

I have presented all the reasons why none of this other bullshit you amateurs come up will not work, based on the fact that most of you have no experience in this area.

No one has asked for my input because they know what it will be. We're fucked! Thank you Bubba and Maobama.

 

[Geaux4it]

In what context of the word "sniper"?

One who "shoots down" the ideas of others without presenting any of his own.

I have presented all the reasons why none of this other bullshit you amateurs come up will not work, based on the fact that most of you have no experience in this area.

No one has asked for my input because they know what it will be. We're fucked! Thank you Bubba and Maobama.

And your opinion sir is important just why?

-Geaux

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In what context of the word "sniper"?

One who "shoots down" the ideas of others without presenting any of his own.

I have presented all the reasons why none of this other bullshit you amateurs come up will not work, based on the fact that most of you have no experience in this area.

No one has asked for my input because they know what it will be. We're fucked! Thank you Bubba and Maobama.

And your opinion sir is important just why?

-Geaux

Unlike the vast majority of those opinions on this forum, mine at least is an informed opinion!