The Dishonest Creationist Tactic of 'Quote Mining'

[abu afak]

Used hourly here mainly by Political Sheik.
Indeed it is her Main and Bogus line of attack.

Quote mining

Quote mining (also contextomy) is the fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint, to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme, or to make it seem that the opponent holds positions they don't in order to make...

rationalwiki.org

Quote mining (also contextomy) is the Fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint or to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme or to make it seem that the opponent holds positions they don't in order to make their positions easier to refute or demonize.[note 1] It's a way of Lying. This tactic is widely used among Young Earth Creationists (YEC) in an attempt to discredit evolution.

Quote mining is an informal fallacy and a fallacy of ambiguity, in that it removes context that is necessary to understand the mined quote.
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Examples

Darwin
A famous example, possibly one of the most famous examples of quote mining, is the following misquotation of Charles Darwin, where the bold section is often presented without including the rest of the quote.

“”To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound.

—Charles Darwin[5]

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Educated? You mean indoctrinated and only capable of parroting the Talking Points.

Yes, that's what aggressively ignorant people like you HAVE to say about knowledge and education. Your only alternative is to admit you are an uneducated slob that has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[Orangecat]

Used hourly here mainly by Political Sheik.
Indeed it is her Main and Bogus line of attack.

Quote mining

Quote mining (also contextomy) is the fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint, to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme, or to make it seem that the opponent holds positions they don't in order to make...

rationalwiki.org

Quote mining (also contextomy) is the Fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint or to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme or to make it seem that the opponent holds positions they don't in order to make their positions easier to refute or demonize.[note 1] It's a way of Lying. This tactic is widely used among Young Earth Creationists (YEC) in an attempt to discredit evolution.

Quote mining is an informal fallacy and a fallacy of ambiguity, in that it removes context that is necessary to understand the mined quote.
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Examples

Darwin
A famous example, possibly one of the most famous examples of quote mining, is the following misquotation of Charles Darwin, where the bold section is often presented without including the rest of the quote.

“”To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound.

—Charles Darwin[5]

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Quote mining is exactly what the leftist MSM has been doing to Trump for years.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Quote mining is exactly what the leftist MSM has been doing to Trump for years.

Wrong section, crybaby. Bye.

 

[Orangecat]

Wrong section, crybaby. Bye.

Seeya later, Karen.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, that's what aggressively ignorant people like you HAVE to say about knowledge and education. Your only alternative is to admit you are an uneducated slob that has no idea what he is talking about.

Who or what does the selecting in “natural selection”?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Who or what does the selecting in “natural selection

Don't feed the sea lions

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Don't feed the sea lions

Not surprising.

You never thought to ask.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not surprising.

You never thought to ask.

Actually, I have directly answered that question to you many times. So you apparently forgot the numerous times you trolled with that question.

You do a lot of drugs, don't you,?

 

[ding]

Actually, I have directly answered that question to you many times. So you apparently forgot the numerous times you trolled with that question.

You do a lot of drugs, don't you,?

Would the answer be logic?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Would the answer be logic?

No, the answer would be a statement. Logic operates on statements.

 

[ding]

No, the answer would be a statement. Logic operates on statements.

Logic is a system of principles that uses reason to determine if a conclusion is true or untrue.

Natural selection is logical.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Logic is a system of principles that uses reason to determine if a conclusion is true or untrue.

Natural selection is logical.

Neat.

 

[abu afak]

According to LYING/Out of Context/Quote Mining PoliticalSheik, Darwin didn't believe in his own evolution!!
(and she still posts with Retarded/Attention HO, 3, 4, 5, line spacing I had to compress to quote.)

It is not my argument, you dunce.....it is Dawin's.
“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”ch.6
. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.”
Darwin, "On The Origin of Speices," chapter nine



“The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.”




And why have you been so eaily duped????


Is it because you are a moron?????

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[PoliticalChic]

According to LYING PoliticalSheik, Darwin didn't believe in his own evolution!!
(and she still posts with Retarded/Attention HO, 3, 4, 5, line spacing I had to compress to quote.)


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It is not my argument, you dunce.....it is Dawin's.
“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”ch.6
. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.”
Darwin, "On The Origin of Speices," chapter nine



“The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.”




And why have you been so eaily duped????


Is it because you are a moron?????

 

[abu afak]

It is not my argument, you dunce.....it is Dawin's.
“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”ch.6
. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.”
Darwin, "On The Origin of Speices," chapter nine



“The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.”




And why have you been so eaily duped????


Is it because you are a moron?????

I didn't say he didn't say it, just that's it's Quote Mining/Out OF CONTEXT.
See the OP.
It's obviously not a paragraph.
You Plagiarized one liners from some Creationist site you LYING Cultist.

And of course when Evolution was NEW there was no extensive fossil record WE DO HAVE NOW.
Hundreds/thousands of extinct "Tweeners" found as ONLY Evolution would/did predict.

Intermediate Fossils are about THEE best (and ongoing) case/Evidence for Evo you F****** Dope/$5 street vermin.

You can't debate me you Cross-F***** cultist!

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[PoliticalChic]

I didn't say he didn't say it, just that's it's Quote Mining/Out OF CONTEXT.
See the OP.
It's obviously not a paragraph.
You Plagiarized one liners from some Creationist site you LYING Cultist.

And of course when Evolution was NEW there was no extensive fossil record WE DO HAVE NOW.
Hundreds/thousands of extinct "Tweeners" found as ONLY Evolution would/did predict.

Intermediate Fossils are about THEE best (and ongoing) case/Evidence for Evo you F****** Dope/$5 street vermin.

You can't debate me you Cross-F***** cultist!

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"Quote mining" is a phrase meant to hide a fact you can't deal with. It doesn't dispute the meaning of the quote.

He said it.....it is still the fact.



Not only did Darwin say it.....but it is the case to this day, you buffoon.


The fossil record disproves Darwin's Theory.


There is no fossil record establishing historical continuity of structure for most characters that might be used to assess relationships among phyla." Katherine G. Field et al., "Molecular Phylogeny of the animal Kingdom," Science, Vol. 239, 12 February 1988, p. 748.

d. ". . . the gradual morphological transitions between presumed ancestors and descendants, anticipated by most biologists, are missing." David E. Schindel (Curator of Invertebrate Fossils, Peabody Museum of Natural History), "The Gaps in the Fossil Record," Nature, Vol. 297, 27 May 1982, p. 282.



e. In “The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution,” 2007, Koonin writes “Major transitions in biological evolution show the same pattern of sudden emergence of diverse forms at a new level of complexity….do not seem to fit the tree pattern that, following Darwin's original proposal, remains the dominant description of biological evolution.” So….Darwin was wrong?” In each of these pivotal nexuses in life's history, the principal "types" seem to appear rapidly and fully equipped with the signature features of the respective new level of biological organization. No intermediate "grades" or intermediate forms between different types are detectable.” The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution
Did you get that? ‘Intermediate forms’ are …..imaginary.


In your face, booooyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[abu afak]

"Quote mining" is a phrase meant to hide a fact you can't deal with. It doesn't dispute the meaning of the quote.

He said it.....it is still the fact.



Not only did Darwin say it.....but it is the case to this day, you buffoon.


The fossil record disproves Darwin's Theory.


There is no fossil record establishing historical continuity of structure for most characters that might be used to assess relationships among phyla." Katherine G. Field et al., "Molecular Phylogeny of the animal Kingdom," Science, Vol. 239, 12 February 1988, p. 748.

d. ". . . the gradual morphological transitions between presumed ancestors and descendants, anticipated by most biologists, are missing." David E. Schindel (Curator of Invertebrate Fossils, Peabody Museum of Natural History), "The Gaps in the Fossil Record," Nature, Vol. 297, 27 May 1982, p. 282.



e. In “The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution,” 2007, Koonin writes “Major transitions in biological evolution show the same pattern of sudden emergence of diverse forms at a new level of complexity….do not seem to fit the tree pattern that, following Darwin's original proposal, remains the dominant description of biological evolution.” So….Darwin was wrong?” In each of these pivotal nexuses in life's history, the principal "types" seem to appear rapidly and fully equipped with the signature features of the respective new level of biological organization. No intermediate "grades" or intermediate forms between different types are detectable.” The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution
Did you get that? ‘Intermediate forms’ are …..imaginary.


In your face, booooyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

In response to quote mining.. we get MORE PLAGIARIZED quote mining without even a source for the so-called 'quote.'
LINK?
In many cases the 'quotes' are wrong, modified, or misattributed by Kweation-com, etc, etc.
See the OP and subsequent for examples.
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[scruffy]

Quotes are not evidence.

Thousands of scientists were wrong before Einstein became right.

 

[Picaro]

Not only is there a lack of transitional evidence, but slow, gradual transitional evolution would be useless for the survival of a species, which is probably why there is a distinct lack of such fossils in the chain of evidence in the first place.