The Devil in the Universal Background check details...loan a gun to friend, become a felon....

[2aguy]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
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Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

 

[Taz]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

 

[2aguy]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

 

[Taz]

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

No, I want everyone to be responsible for their guns.

 

[rightwinger]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

So don’t loan your guns

Would you loan your car to someone who didn’t have a license!

 

[rightwinger]

If your friend is a felon, is it OK to loan him a gun?

 

[2aguy]

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

No, I want everyone to be responsible for their guns.

No.... you want guns banned....exposing future Americans to mass murder and genocide....

 

[miketx]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

If you think I'm going to pay a fee to borrow my buddy of 20 years a hunting rifle, or have him hang onto my guns while I'm away on a trip, you're a fucking idiot.

Hillbillies don’t want to be responsible for their own guns. Got it.

You haven't got it.

 

[2aguy]

If your friend is a felon, is it OK to loan him a gun?

Nope....and that law is already on the books..... he knows he can't buy, own, carry or touch a gun, and if he does, he can already be arrested for it.....

Don't need a universal background check for that...we can already do it.

 

[Taz]

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

No, I want everyone to be responsible for their guns.

No.... you want guns banned....exposing future Americans to mass murder and genocide....

I never said that so you lose, fartsmoke.

 

[Taz]

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

If you think I'm going to pay a fee to borrow my buddy of 20 years a hunting rifle, or have him hang onto my guns while I'm away on a trip, you're a fucking idiot.

Hillbillies don’t want to be responsible for their own guns. Got it.

You haven't got it.

It is what it is, jethro.

 

[2aguy]

None of that is about being responsible, which you know.

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

No, I want everyone to be responsible for their guns.

No.... you want guns banned....exposing future Americans to mass murder and genocide....

I never said that so you lose, fartsmoke.

The thing you support, lead to that conclusion....

 

[Taz]

Of course it is, you want to be able to lend your guns out without any responsibility. That’s totally douche.

No.....it is about you squeezing normal people who own guns.... you are an asshat and a troll....and a fascist to boot...... I know.....you understand that when you want to fill mass graves with innocent men, women and children, it is a lot harder to do if the victims can fight back...so you want to ban guns now so you don't have to worry later....

No, I want everyone to be responsible for their guns.

No.... you want guns banned....exposing future Americans to mass murder and genocide....

I never said that so you lose, fartsmoke.

The thing you support, lead to that conclusion....

You can’t show that, fartsmoke.