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Our Founders used the bible in writing the Constitution?
No they didn't. They used the ideas of the Roman Republic, Greek Democracy and Enlightenment philosophers like Locke and Montesquieu.
In fact, later Americans began to portray Washington as a god himself.
I love when you post because you are so stoooooooooopid.
The Constitution provides for an observance of the Sabbath in its Presentment Clause, mandating that the President has ten days, excluding Sundays, to veto a bill lest it become binding.
And the instrument was framed with a view to the Declaration, which unequivocally bestows gratitude on the God of the Bible for America's independence.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
“Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
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| This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Founders’ ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting. The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era – no small sample – and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes. The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Founders’ quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founder’s quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent. Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible. The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstone’s ideas. Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years America’s courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstone’s Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstone’s ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney. Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of America’s greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800’s. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that – having determined to become a lawyer – he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstone’s Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finney’s life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstone’s ideas for law. So, while 34% of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men – like Blackstone – who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.” This doesn’t even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years. Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders. Sources: David Barton, Original Intent, 1997 Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988 “The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review | |
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3. Thirty-four percent of all the quotes by the founding fathers came from the Bible. Also, men like Blackstone and Locke, whom the founders quoted, took much of their own quotes from the Bible. Our three branches of government came from Isaiah 33:22. Tax exemption for churches came from Ezra 7:24, which no other nation has today. The book of Deuteronomy was the most quoted book of the Bible by our founding fathers. This book deals much with civil government. This is why America was founded as a republic, not a democracy. We are governed by constitutional law, not by majority law. Our founding fathers, who framed the constitution realized that governments of democracy were short lived and ended in bondage. Democracies are only a step from anarchy. http://www.fundamentalfaith.com/id38.htm
"Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. ... I agree with the Supreme Court that anexemption for churches from taxes tends to reinforce a very healthy separation between church and state.Sep 23, 2008"
Why don't churches pay taxes? - LA Times
www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html
4. In a study that appeared in the American Political Science Review back in 1984, two political science professors, Dr. Donald Lutz and Dr. Charles Heineman researched 15,000 writings, letters, diaries, sermons and other works that were written by various leading Americans from 1760-1805. Their purpose was to identify quotations to find out who the founding fathers were quoting' where they got their ideas, what authorities they were most impressed with. They found that by far the most widely quoted source in the founding fathers' writings was the Bible. Thirty-four percent of all quotations came out of the Bible. And the book of the Bible they quoted most often was the book of Deuteronomy. Now most of us don't go around quoting Deuteronomy a great deal today, but Deuteronomy is the book of the law. And they were writing about law and government.
Citizens for a Constitutional Republic
5. Do you know the preamble for all 50 states?
It might surprise some people.
The Fifty States Reference God in their Constitutions-
The Fifty States Reference God in their Constitutions-Truth!
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Our Founders used the bible in writing the Constitution?
No they didn't. They used the ideas of the Roman Republic, Greek Democracy and Enlightenment philosophers like Locke and Montesquieu.
In fact, later Americans began to portray Washington as a god himself.
.....and....there is a clear reference to Jesus Christ in the Constitution.
Say 'duhhhhhhh....'
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Jan 16, 2023 · God is not mentioned in the United States Constitution, though it is mentioned in the constitutions of many states, with a total of 116 mentions of the word “God” and 14 mentions
How Many Times Is God Mentioned in The US Constitution? - Christian Gist
How Many Times Is God Mentioned in The US Constitution?
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DUH !!!!! Political Chic, aka Nazi girl, wants people to believe that the founders, who were Agnostic, wanted Christianity to be the religion of the land.
DUHHHH. This is the lie that everyone like her wants people to believe, and it has never, EVER, been true. It will NEVER be true.
Republican States have been going nuts in making sure that Christianity is in their Constitution, in their schools, in people who live in those States minds.
Religious fanaticism at its worse.
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So funny how sensitive you so-called fake christians are when it's clearly pointed out to you that we are a secular country with a secular Constitution.I love when you post because you are so stoooooooooopid.
The Constitution provides for an observance of the Sabbath in its Presentment Clause, mandating that the President has ten days, excluding Sundays, to veto a bill lest it become binding.
And the instrument was framed with a view to the Declaration, which unequivocally bestows gratitude on the God of the Bible for America's independence.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
2.
This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Founders’ ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.
The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era – no small sample – and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.
The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Founders’ quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founder’s quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.
Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstone’s ideas. Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years America’s courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstone’s Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstone’s ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.
Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of America’s greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800’s. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that – having determined to become a lawyer – he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstone’s Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finney’s life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstone’s ideas for law.
So, while 34% of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men – like Blackstone – who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.”
This doesn’t even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.
Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.
Sources:
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997
Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988
“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review
3. Thirty-four percent of all the quotes by the founding fathers came from the Bible. Also, men like Blackstone and Locke, whom the founders quoted, took much of their own quotes from the Bible. Our three branches of government came from Isaiah 33:22. Tax exemption for churches came from Ezra 7:24, which no other nation has today. The book of Deuteronomy was the most quoted book of the Bible by our founding fathers. This book deals much with civil government. This is why America was founded as a republic, not a democracy. We are governed by constitutional law, not by majority law. Our founding fathers, who framed the constitution realized that governments of democracy were short lived and ended in bondage. Democracies are only a step from anarchy. http://www.fundamentalfaith.com/id38.htm
"Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. ... I agree with the Supreme Court that anexemption for churches from taxes tends to reinforce a very healthy separation between church and state.Sep 23, 2008"
Why don't churches pay taxes? - LA Times
www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html
4. In a study that appeared in the American Political Science Review back in 1984, two political science professors, Dr. Donald Lutz and Dr. Charles Heineman researched 15,000 writings, letters, diaries, sermons and other works that were written by various leading Americans from 1760-1805. Their purpose was to identify quotations to find out who the founding fathers were quoting' where they got their ideas, what authorities they were most impressed with. They found that by far the most widely quoted source in the founding fathers' writings was the Bible. Thirty-four percent of all quotations came out of the Bible. And the book of the Bible they quoted most often was the book of Deuteronomy. Now most of us don't go around quoting Deuteronomy a great deal today, but Deuteronomy is the book of the law. And they were writing about law and government.
Citizens for a Constitutional Republic
5. Do you know the preamble for all 50 states?
It might surprise some people.
The Fifty States Reference God in their Constitutions-
The Fifty States Reference God in their Constitutions-Truth!
PoliticalChic
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Jan 16, 2023 · God is not mentioned in the United States Constitution, though it is mentioned in the constitutions of many states, with a total of 116 mentions of the word “God” and 14 mentions
How Many Times Is God Mentioned in The US Constitution? - Christian Gist
How Many Times Is God Mentioned in The US Constitution?
DUH !!!!! Political Chic, aka Nazi girl, wants people to believe that the founders, who were Agnostic, wanted Christianity to be the religion of the land.
DUHHHH. This is the lie that everyone like her wants people to believe, and it has never, EVER, been true. It will NEVER be true.
Republican States have been going nuts in making sure that Christianity is in their Constitution, in their schools, in people who live in those States minds.
Religious fanaticism at its worse.
If I prove that Jesus is referenced in the Constition, will you admit you are a Nazi/Democrat?
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What, the word LORD? Oh, my.
Stuff yourself.
The founders were Agnostic and could not care less about your depraved abuse of religion, trying to force it on others, or trying to force people to believe that THEY, the founders, wanted everyone to adopt Christianity.
The Nazi, in all of your threads, has always been you.
One can tell a nazi, a real one, by the garbage they attempt to spread against one and all. Just as you keep doing.
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Many have argued against the separation of church and state by pointing to the Declaration of Independence. They believe that the text of this document supports the position that the United States was founded upon religious, if not Christian, principles, and therefore church and state must remain intertwined for this nation to continue properly.
That leaves open, however, the possibility that the document expressed the will of the same people who wrote the Constitution — thus, it provides knowledge about their intent as to what sort of government we should have. Leaving aside for the moment whether or not that intention should bind us, there are still serious flaws to consider. First, religion itself is never mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. This makes it difficult to argue that any particular religious principles should guide our current government.
Second, what little is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is only barely compatible with Christianity, the religion most people have in mind when making the above argument. The Declaration refers to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence.” These are all terms used in the sort of deism which was common among many of those responsible for the American Revolution as well as the philosophers upon whom they relied for support. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, was himself a deist who was opposed to many traditional Christian doctrines, in particular beliefs about the supernatural.
One common misuse of the Declaration of Independence is to argue that it states that our rights come from God and, therefore, there are no legitimate interpretations of the rights in the Constitution that would be contrary to God. The first problem is that the Declaration of Independence refers to a “Creator” and not the Christian “God” meant by people making the argument. The second problem is that the “rights” mentioned in the Declaration of Independence are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” — none of which are “rights” discussed in the Constitution.
Finally, the Declaration of Independence also makes it clear that governments created by humanity derive their powers from the consent of the governed, not from any gods. This is why the Constitution does not make any mention of any gods. There is no reason to think that there is anything illegitimate about an interpretation of any of the rights outlined in the Constitution merely because it runs contrary to what some people think that their conception of a god would want.
What this all means is that arguments against the separation of church and state which rely upon the language of the Declaration of Independence fail. First, the document in question has no legal authority with which one could make a legal case. Second, the sentiments expressed therein do not support the principle that government should be guided either by any specific religion (like Christianity) or by religion “in general” (as if such a thing even existed).
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Austin Cline
Updated on July 29, 2018
Many have argued against the separation of church and state by pointing to the Declaration of Independence. They believe that the text of this document supports the position that the United States was founded upon religious, if not Christian, principles, and therefore church and state must remain intertwined for this nation to continue properly.
A Secular Document
There are a couple of flaws in this argument. For one thing, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document for this nation. What this means is that it has no authority over our laws, our lawmakers, or ourselves. It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.That leaves open, however, the possibility that the document expressed the will of the same people who wrote the Constitution — thus, it provides knowledge about their intent as to what sort of government we should have. Leaving aside for the moment whether or not that intention should bind us, there are still serious flaws to consider. First, religion itself is never mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. This makes it difficult to argue that any particular religious principles should guide our current government.
Second, what little is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is only barely compatible with Christianity, the religion most people have in mind when making the above argument. The Declaration refers to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence.” These are all terms used in the sort of deism which was common among many of those responsible for the American Revolution as well as the philosophers upon whom they relied for support. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, was himself a deist who was opposed to many traditional Christian doctrines, in particular beliefs about the supernatural.
One common misuse of the Declaration of Independence is to argue that it states that our rights come from God and, therefore, there are no legitimate interpretations of the rights in the Constitution that would be contrary to God. The first problem is that the Declaration of Independence refers to a “Creator” and not the Christian “God” meant by people making the argument. The second problem is that the “rights” mentioned in the Declaration of Independence are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” — none of which are “rights” discussed in the Constitution.
Finally, the Declaration of Independence also makes it clear that governments created by humanity derive their powers from the consent of the governed, not from any gods. This is why the Constitution does not make any mention of any gods. There is no reason to think that there is anything illegitimate about an interpretation of any of the rights outlined in the Constitution merely because it runs contrary to what some people think that their conception of a god would want.
What this all means is that arguments against the separation of church and state which rely upon the language of the Declaration of Independence fail. First, the document in question has no legal authority with which one could make a legal case. Second, the sentiments expressed therein do not support the principle that government should be guided either by any specific religion (like Christianity) or by religion “in general” (as if such a thing even existed).
Declaration of Independence and the Christianity Myth
Many argue the Declaration of Independence endorses the idea that the United States was founded upon religious, if not Christian principles. Let's review.
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Each individual--no matter which political party or of no political party--have an insurmountable object that is almost impossible for each of us to overcome.
I was wrong
Voters will never overcome the idea voters were wrong in 2020, and that is why we will elect the same President in 2024. We all very firmly believe, "I am not wrong."
Read what Mr. Comey said. He was not wrong in any of his actions because he firmly believed he was right in preventing or then circumventing a Trump presidency. He will never step forward and say, "I was wrong" because then he strongly believed it was right to do what he did--and that's not going to change.
Mr. Comey is just like every one of us. It is nearly impossible for any of us to say, "I was wrong." And that is because every one of us is so steadfast in putting all that is in us toward doing what we believe is the right thing, we can't imagine we got something wrong.
Knowing this about human nature, it is vital people stop telling Democrats they were wrong. In their heart of hearts voters are absolutely convinced they did what was right. So put that aside, and convince citizens of all parties (or none) that another person they choose to elect can do better.
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SHOW IT. !!!!!
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Republicans went after the truth 63 times in court.
To this day they are unable to say that they were wrong.
But are you actually saying that Democrats were mistaken by the results of the 2020 election, which put a Democratic President in the WH, not only by the popular vote but Electoral College, as well?
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What I am actually saying NO ONE seems to have the inner strength to say--about anything--"I was wrong. I made a mistake." seems beyond our ken.
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If one is wrong, one should say that they are wrong.
If one is not wrong, why should one say that one is wrong?
Some Republicans, pushed by Trump, are the ones wanting others to believe that the 2020 election was stolen when it was not.
When are they finally going to own up at being wrong and stopping the incitement it causes?
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It is the Latin for 'the year of our Lord,' which was required by law, but not now.
The devil in disguise is orange and inhabits Donald J. Trump.
How many indictments to Durham get? That good Mormon boy would not and did not violate the law.
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I detect the odor of "equivalence" between the parties in your post.
Please say didn't mean to imply same.
If you did.....let's see you provide an indictment similar to this for the other side:
The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,
and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.
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I would call the 2020 election a "dirty election", but it was verified by Vice-President Pence and therefore valid.
What say you? Was the 2020 election a good, clean election?
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