The Demoicrats and the left support Obama as he violates the Constitution and the law

[Inthemiddle]

If anything, the reference to adjournments that last for more than three days suggests that adjournments can last for either more or less than three days (which would surely be the default, in any case).

Ding, ding, ding.

There is a difference between adjournment and recess. Recesses happen every week, usually at the end of business Thursday, and lasting until the open of business on Tuesday. Congress does not go into adjournment until the end of the year.

 

[bravoactual]

Obama made an illegal adppointment. Recess appointments may only be made while Congress is in RECESS. It never recessed. He violated the law and the left on this board is applauding and cheering.

And the left wonders why the right finds them to be ignorant and hypocrites.

Once again for the slow and stupid, Congress never recessed. If Congress does not recess a President must get approval for his nominees from the Senate.

Lawyers on this board that are democrats or liberals are applauding his decision to BREAK the law and violate the Constitution.

Once again for Modbert, this is not about whether he can appoint in a recess, he can. This is about a flagrant violation of the law and the Constitution. Congress never recessed.

So when the former deserter-in-chief....the shrub was making Recess Appointment, John Bolton Comes To Mind....did you call those appointments "Illegal"?

Pay very close attention the bar graph gunny, you will see that the Great Ronnie God, The Rectum Himself made the most Recess Appointments, were those "Illegal"?

Rachel Maddow Show.

 

[midcan5]

Let's see if we can calculate the right's moral scale of justice, Obama appointed a good man, Richard Cordray, to a position vacant for 18 months that will help regulate the thieves who almost brought down the economy, and the right is complaining about this while the massacre in Iraq continues because of our last 'right wing conservative' president's illegal invasion of a sovereign nation that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and is still in chaos. It is an illegal action praised by the right. Figure that out and you will be on your way to Nobel prize.

Reagan started the destruction of the middle class, it is time government got back in the game of protecting its citizens, a function given it by our constitution.

BREAKING: Obama To Make Recess Appointments To National Labor Relations Board | ThinkProgress

"Why The Appointment Of Richard Cordray Is A Victory For Middle Class Families"

Jan 4, 2012 | By Travis Waldron

"Nearly 18 months after the passage of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the agency will finally have its first director. That’s because President Obama, using his power to make appointments during a congressional recess, announced today that he was appointing former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray — whom the administration formally nominated in July — as the CFPB’s director. Obama also appointed three members to the National Labor Relations Board, another agency opposed by the GOP."

 

[DiamondDave]

And here come the radical left wingers with winger links as 'proof'.... like clockwork

 

[g5000]

If anything, the reference to adjournments that last for more than three days suggests that adjournments can last for either more or less than three days (which would surely be the default, in any case).

Ding, ding, ding.

There is a difference between adjournment and recess. Recesses happen every week, usually at the end of business Thursday, and lasting until the open of business on Tuesday. Congress does not go into adjournment until the end of the year.

Once again, from Evans vs. Stephens:

The Constitution, on its face, does not establish a minimum time that an authorized break in the Senate must last to give legal force to the President’s appointment power under the Recess Appointments Clause. And we do not set the limit today. Although a President has not before appointed a judge to an Article III court during an intrasession recess as short as the one in this case, appointments to other offices -- offices ordinarily requiring Senate confirmation -- have been made during intrasession recesses of about this length or shorter.8 Furthermore, several times in the past, fairly short intrasession recesses have given rise to presidential appointments of judges to Article III courts.9

Twelve Presidents have made more than 285 intrasession recess appointments of persons to offices that ordinarily require consent of the Senate. So, given the words of the Constitution and the history, we are unpersuaded by the argument that the recess appointment power may only be used in an intersession recess, but not an intrasession recess. Furthermore, what we understand to be the main purpose of the Recess Appointments Clause -- to enable the President to fill vacancies to assure the proper functioning of our government -- supports reading both intrasession recesses and intersession recesses as within the correct scope of the Clause.

We conclude that the President’s appointment was not beyond his constitutional power.

We are not persuaded that the President acted beyond his authority in this case: both the words of the Constitution and the history of the nation support the President’s authority.

Good enough for the Bush goose, good enough for the Obama gander.

 

[peach174]

If Bush had done this when Sen. Harry did the same thing under pro forma with John Bolton, the left would have been screaming impeachment for President Bush.

Bush respected the rules of pro forma and John Bolton stepped down from his U.N. appointment.

 

[Conservative]

When the Libs are in the White House
And a Democrat appoints more czars
Then 'hope' will guide the planets
And 'change' will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Obama
The Age of Obama
Obama! Obama!

 

[g5000]

If Bush had done this when Sen. Harry did the same thing under pro forma with John Bolton, the left would have been screaming impeachment for President Bush.

Bush respected the rules of pro forma and John Bolton stepped down from his U.N. appointment.

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The pro forma thing was made up on the fly, probably because of Evans vs. Stephens. The Democrats were butt hurt over that decision and acted unilaterally with this pro forma shit.

There have been presidential appointments made in recesses that were less than 3 days in the past. Truman and Teddy Roosevelt. TR's made 160 appointments in a recess that lasted just a few hours, less than a day.

Bush did observe the pro forma crap, but the DOJ has flipped and flopped on the constitutionality of it.

Now the Democrats are getting hoisted by their own petard.

This is what I mean about being careful of what stand you make. It WILL come back and bite you in the ass and create a Constitutional crisis at the same time. All because of juvenile sore loser tactics.

Both sides make me sick.

 

[Old Rocks]

President Obama did make a mistake. He should just have appointed all the judges that have been blocked by the GOP asses at the same time. Really give the blockheads something to whine about.

 

[EriktheRed]

There is no violation

Just a difference in interpretation of the law. Congress sure does look like it is in recess to me. How many bills did they vote on this week?

Unfucking BELIEVABLE you assholes applaud the violation of the law. You support a Democrat violating the Constitution.

Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


No interpretation needed. It has been clear since the Constitution was ratified. Neither house can recess without the approval of the other and unless they recess the President can not make appointments.

You people are ******* stupid and beyond the pale. You support a clear violation of the Constitution when a Democrat is President.

You are all enemies of the State and should be treated as such.

Get your congresscritter to push for impeachment. Please.

 

[Conservative]

If anything, the reference to adjournments that last for more than three days suggests that adjournments can last for either more or less than three days (which would surely be the default, in any case).

Ding, ding, ding.

There is a difference between adjournment and recess. Recesses happen every week, usually at the end of business Thursday, and lasting until the open of business on Tuesday. Congress does not go into adjournment until the end of the year.

So, that means that theoretically, Presidents can simply wait for the weekend and make any appointment they damn well please.

Not sure I like either side having that much power.

 

[konradv]

If Bush had done this when Sen. Harry did the same thing under pro forma with John Bolton, the left would have been screaming impeachment for President Bush.

Bush respected the rules of pro forma and John Bolton stepped down from his U.N. appointment.

So what? Something needs to be done about this Congress not doing anything. I applaud him for his courage and say to the complainers, "See you in court". Hope it's worth it. If there's any justice, all those whining about it will be voted out this fall. They are totally worthless, allowing a scrap of paper to hold more value than the good of the country.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wow...this is the latest bee in your bonnett?

We all know the contempt you have for the constitution, Candy - but some of us actually support the old document.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Has he Clearly violated the law? Tell your republican congressmen to start impeachment hearings IMMEDIATELY and see what they do. There is not a republican out there that will risk diminishing the office of the president because he is using the powers they created and feel a republican president should have, it's a crying shame that he must resort to such republican measures in the face of a congress that is incapable of doing it's damned job.

Impeachment would be stupid. Obama is gone in a year, no need to distract from his failure with an impeachment.

A court challenge is a better tactic. Guess what's being used?

 

[Uncensored2008]

U got it all wrong. It was the the Republican obstructing the Law passed by Congress that forced the President to make this recess appointment.

He didn't make a recess appointment. The Senate isn't in recess.

The only reason the former Ohio attorney general wasn’t confirmed by the Senate was because his nomination couldn’t meet the crazy procedural 60-vote threshold now required to do anything in the world’s most deliberative (and gridlocked) body. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who openly declared that his No. 1 job was to ensure the president’s reelection defeat this November, blasted Cordray’s recess appointment, saying Obama “has arrogantly circumvented the American people.” Only in the Senate would the appointment of a nominee who got 53 out of 98 votes qualify as arrogant circumvention.

Obama picks recess fight with GOP over Cordray - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Damn that constitution - well Il Douche can just ignore it!

 

[Old Rocks]

Wow...this is the latest bee in your bonnett?

We all know the contempt you have for the constitution, Candy - but some of us actually support the old document.

LOL. Now that is one lying statement for any 'Conservative' to make.

 

[Old Rocks]

U got it all wrong. It was the the Republican obstructing the Law passed by Congress that forced the President to make this recess appointment.

He didn't make a recess appointment. The Senate isn't in recess.

The only reason the former Ohio attorney general wasn’t confirmed by the Senate was because his nomination couldn’t meet the crazy procedural 60-vote threshold now required to do anything in the world’s most deliberative (and gridlocked) body. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who openly declared that his No. 1 job was to ensure the president’s reelection defeat this November, blasted Cordray’s recess appointment, saying Obama “has arrogantly circumvented the American people.” Only in the Senate would the appointment of a nominee who got 53 out of 98 votes qualify as arrogant circumvention.

Obama picks recess fight with GOP over Cordray - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Damn that constitution - well Il Douche can just ignore it!

Fait Accompli

 

[konradv]

Wow...this is the latest bee in your bonnett?

We all know the contempt you have for the constitution, Candy - but some of us actually support the old document.

It's really just a cudgel you use to try to get your way. What you call support, I call hi-jacked. All your so-called "principles" are based on the myth that there was some sort of unanimous "intent" amongst The Founders, when even a cursory review of the subject proves that to be false.

 

[The T]

Wow...this is the latest bee in your bonnett?

So when the next Republican President just ignores the law, you will be fine with it? You people AMAZE me. You do not care that the President of the United States just openly committed an illegal act. You applaud it like it is a good thing.

More proof the Democrats are enemies of the very document that establishes our Government. Jillian included, she has weighed in on the idea that Obama is ok clearly violating the law.

And the Congress doesn't have the balls to call him on this latest violation.

Had it been a Republican? There would be Hell to pay with the left immediately forming parties of whiners/wailers armed with torches and pitchforks calling for heads on a silver platter.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There is no violation

ROFL

Yeah, like anything YOU ever post is true.

Just a difference in interpretation of the law.

It all depends on the meaning of "is," huh?

Congress sure does look like it is in recess to me. How many bills did they vote on this week?

Nothing you post is valid, you lie without hesitation.

An intrasession recess that allows presidential appointment is;

{What Is a “Recess”? Generally, a recess is a break in House or Senate
proceedings. Neither House may take a break of more than three days without the consent
of the other.6 Such consent is usually provided through a concurrent resolution.7 A recess
within a session is referred to as an intrasession recess. In}

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS21308.pdf