A man being sentenced to thirty days in jail for preaching the Gospel in his own church is not "an isolated incident...in which free speech was under attack". "Attack" doesn't enter into it; the battle is over - free speech is a thing of the past. I'd equate that with the sky falling in.
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A man being sentenced to thirty days in jail for preaching the Gospel in his own church is not "an isolated incident...in which free speech was under attack". "Attack" doesn't enter into it; the battle is over - free speech is a thing of the past. I'd equate that with the sky falling in.
Kagom
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We see this differently, then.
Kagom
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Thanks for calling me an idiot.
Communism and the Far Left are much more differently, going on us using the terminology Communism and Liberalism.
Yeah, uhm, polygamy is okay if it's something within a person's religion. Personally, I'm against it. But allowing gay marriage does not correlate or even come close to implying causation to polygam(or)y. In fact, reasoning of that kind is looked down upon.
Again, faulty reasoning. Allowing to consenting adults to pledge their love for reach other and receive benefits does not mean that we'll allow pedophilic marriages or bestiality marriages or polygamy marriages.
Yeah, Sweden and the Netherlands have a completely different attitude towards sex. Did you ever think that may have contributed to the marriage numbers and wedlock children? Because they are very liberal in terms of sex as opposed to, say America, so I'm willing to be they will have a higher number in that department. America is very conservative in terms of sex and liberal in terms of violence. Europe is the opposite. That's why those numbers will vary.
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Because you don't get to decide what I'm supposed to put up with. That's why. I have the right to decide who I want to associate with. I should have the right to not hire you for a job, or rent you a house, because I don't like your tattoos, or your pierced nose, or what shoes you're wearing.
Homosexuals demand not only that I can't decide, but they want my kid to be taught that being gay is normal.
It's not. It's a disgusting personal habit and you should keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.
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Those numbers run cyclically. The rates ARE lower than 10 years ago, but HIGHER than 20 years ago. The correlation is meaningless.
Kagom
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Okay, so, we should totally ostracize gay people if they want to actually follow the pursuit of happiness, as we're allowed to do within the Constitution and only because there are people who don't like homosexuality and don't think homosexuals should be allowed to try and bring about the point that you should be tolerant of them and that they should be allowed to get some benefits that heterosexual couples do.
And don't throw the "But they want more" bullshit at me. Last I checked, most gays I know just want to be able to get a legal marriage/civil union and nothing greater.
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And speaking of that topic: This is hot off the Drudge News line.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060925ta_talk_collins
Two Homosexual Men On Flight Told to "Knock It Off!" By Airline.
HERE TO THERE DEPT.
AIR KISS
Issue of 2006-09-25
Posted 2006-09-18
American Airlines Flight 45—departing Charles de Gaulle at 10:40 A.M., arriving J.F.K. at one each afternoon—is a tourist’s delight: timed just right to avoid late checkout, leaving time for one last Kir Royale at Les Deux Magots. On August 22nd, the coach cabin was packed with vacationing New Yorkers. Ralph Jackson (21A) and David Leisner (21B) were returning from two weeks in France, while Huffa Frobes-Cross (21F) had stopped over in Paris on his way back from South Africa. Assigned to seats 20A and 20B were George Tsikhiseli, a television journalist, and his writer boyfriend, Stephan Varnier. “We’ve been together only four months,” Tsikhiseli said last week. “So it felt like a honeymoon.”
Twelve days earlier, British police had foiled a terrorist plot to blow up airliners. Heightened security had delayed the flight by about two hours, and passengers, by the time they boarded, were ready to relax. “I had a José Saramago book I was looking forward to reading,” Leisner said. “And then I was going to take some melatonin and have a little nap.”
Shortly after takeoff, Varnier nodded off, leaning his head on Tsikhiseli. A stewardess came over to their row. “The purser wants you to stop that,” she said.
“I opened my eyes and was, like, ‘Stop what?’ ” Varnier recalled the other day.
“The touching and the kissing,” the stewardess said, before walking away.
Tsikhiseli and Varnier were taken aback. “He would rest his head on my shoulder or the other way around. We’d kiss—not kiss kiss, just mwah,” Tsikhiseli recalled, making a smacking sound.
In the row behind them were Leisner and Jackson. “They were like two lovebirds,” said Leisner, who is a classical guitarist. Frobes-Cross, a Columbia grad student who was sitting across the aisle, had overheard the stewardess’s decree, too. “First thing I catch is ‘You have to stop touching each other,’ ” he said. “And I’m, like, Whoa, that’s really weird.”
Leisner and Jackson, who were “astounded,” leaned forward to ask if they’d heard correctly. When Tsikhiseli and Varnier confirmed that they had, the four men summoned a stewardess and asked to speak with the purser.
A little later, the purser appeared at Row 20. She was, by all accounts, calm and professional; to the menÂ’s surprise, she said that she knew nothing about the incident and had not instructed the stewardess to tell Tsikhiseli and Varnier to stop touching each other.
“Which stewardess was it?” she asked.
One of the men pointed out the stewardess—a woman with, as Jackson put it, “Texas hair, like from the nineteen-sixties.” According to Leisner, the purser rolled her eyes and said, “Oh, say no more. I know.”
The purser asked the men to describe what they’d been doing, and she acknowledged that their behavior had not been inappropriate. Tsikhiseli then asked if the stewardess would have made the request if the kissers had been a man and a woman. Suddenly, Leisner said, the purser “became very rigid.” Contradicting what she’d told them before, she stiffly said, “Kissing is inappropriate behavior on an airplane.” She then said that she was busy with the meal service and promised to come back.
Half an hour later, the purser returned, this time saying that some passengers had complained about Tsikhiseli and Varnier’s behavior earlier. The men asked more questions. Who had complained? (She couldn’t say.) Could they have the stewardess’s name, or employee number? (No.) Would the purser arrange for an American Airlines representative to meet them upon landing at J.F.K.? (Not possible.) Finally, the purser said that if they didn’t drop the matter the flight would be diverted. After that, Leisner said, “everyone shut up for a while.”
Maybe an hour later, the purser approached Tsikhiseli and said that the captain wanted to talk to him. Tsikhiseli went up to the galley and gave the captain his business card. The captain told Tsikhiseli that if they didn’t stop arguing with the crew he would indeed divert the plane. “I want you to go back to your seat and behave the rest of the flight, and we’ll see you in New York,” he said. Tsikhiseli returned to coach.
Tim Wagner, a spokesman for American, said that the stewardess’s injunction to the men was reasonable, and would have been made whether the couple was gay or straight. “Our passengers need to recognize that they are in an environment with all ages, backgrounds, creeds, and races. We have an obligation to make as many of them feel as comfortable as possible,” he said. (He added, “Our understanding is that the level of affection was more than a quick peck on the cheek.”) But a customer-service representative named Terri, reached last week on the telephone, offered the opinion that kissing on airplanes is indeed permissible. “Oh, yeah! Sure. I’ve seen couples who are on honeymoons,” she said. “They just don’t want you to go into the bathroom together.”
Signs of the times folks.........
I agree with Gunny that it's a deviancy, and it doesn belong in the league of heterosexual honeymooners, giving each other pecks/kisses.
Deviant behaviour should be monitored and stopped if possible by AA, and they did it.
Kudos to the AA pilot, and onboard staff!!!:clap1:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060925ta_talk_collins
Two Homosexual Men On Flight Told to "Knock It Off!" By Airline.
HERE TO THERE DEPT.
AIR KISS
Issue of 2006-09-25
Posted 2006-09-18
American Airlines Flight 45—departing Charles de Gaulle at 10:40 A.M., arriving J.F.K. at one each afternoon—is a tourist’s delight: timed just right to avoid late checkout, leaving time for one last Kir Royale at Les Deux Magots. On August 22nd, the coach cabin was packed with vacationing New Yorkers. Ralph Jackson (21A) and David Leisner (21B) were returning from two weeks in France, while Huffa Frobes-Cross (21F) had stopped over in Paris on his way back from South Africa. Assigned to seats 20A and 20B were George Tsikhiseli, a television journalist, and his writer boyfriend, Stephan Varnier. “We’ve been together only four months,” Tsikhiseli said last week. “So it felt like a honeymoon.”
Twelve days earlier, British police had foiled a terrorist plot to blow up airliners. Heightened security had delayed the flight by about two hours, and passengers, by the time they boarded, were ready to relax. “I had a José Saramago book I was looking forward to reading,” Leisner said. “And then I was going to take some melatonin and have a little nap.”
Shortly after takeoff, Varnier nodded off, leaning his head on Tsikhiseli. A stewardess came over to their row. “The purser wants you to stop that,” she said.
“I opened my eyes and was, like, ‘Stop what?’ ” Varnier recalled the other day.
“The touching and the kissing,” the stewardess said, before walking away.
Tsikhiseli and Varnier were taken aback. “He would rest his head on my shoulder or the other way around. We’d kiss—not kiss kiss, just mwah,” Tsikhiseli recalled, making a smacking sound.
In the row behind them were Leisner and Jackson. “They were like two lovebirds,” said Leisner, who is a classical guitarist. Frobes-Cross, a Columbia grad student who was sitting across the aisle, had overheard the stewardess’s decree, too. “First thing I catch is ‘You have to stop touching each other,’ ” he said. “And I’m, like, Whoa, that’s really weird.”
Leisner and Jackson, who were “astounded,” leaned forward to ask if they’d heard correctly. When Tsikhiseli and Varnier confirmed that they had, the four men summoned a stewardess and asked to speak with the purser.
A little later, the purser appeared at Row 20. She was, by all accounts, calm and professional; to the menÂ’s surprise, she said that she knew nothing about the incident and had not instructed the stewardess to tell Tsikhiseli and Varnier to stop touching each other.
“Which stewardess was it?” she asked.
One of the men pointed out the stewardess—a woman with, as Jackson put it, “Texas hair, like from the nineteen-sixties.” According to Leisner, the purser rolled her eyes and said, “Oh, say no more. I know.”
The purser asked the men to describe what they’d been doing, and she acknowledged that their behavior had not been inappropriate. Tsikhiseli then asked if the stewardess would have made the request if the kissers had been a man and a woman. Suddenly, Leisner said, the purser “became very rigid.” Contradicting what she’d told them before, she stiffly said, “Kissing is inappropriate behavior on an airplane.” She then said that she was busy with the meal service and promised to come back.
Half an hour later, the purser returned, this time saying that some passengers had complained about Tsikhiseli and Varnier’s behavior earlier. The men asked more questions. Who had complained? (She couldn’t say.) Could they have the stewardess’s name, or employee number? (No.) Would the purser arrange for an American Airlines representative to meet them upon landing at J.F.K.? (Not possible.) Finally, the purser said that if they didn’t drop the matter the flight would be diverted. After that, Leisner said, “everyone shut up for a while.”
Maybe an hour later, the purser approached Tsikhiseli and said that the captain wanted to talk to him. Tsikhiseli went up to the galley and gave the captain his business card. The captain told Tsikhiseli that if they didn’t stop arguing with the crew he would indeed divert the plane. “I want you to go back to your seat and behave the rest of the flight, and we’ll see you in New York,” he said. Tsikhiseli returned to coach.
Tim Wagner, a spokesman for American, said that the stewardess’s injunction to the men was reasonable, and would have been made whether the couple was gay or straight. “Our passengers need to recognize that they are in an environment with all ages, backgrounds, creeds, and races. We have an obligation to make as many of them feel as comfortable as possible,” he said. (He added, “Our understanding is that the level of affection was more than a quick peck on the cheek.”) But a customer-service representative named Terri, reached last week on the telephone, offered the opinion that kissing on airplanes is indeed permissible. “Oh, yeah! Sure. I’ve seen couples who are on honeymoons,” she said. “They just don’t want you to go into the bathroom together.”
Signs of the times folks.........
I agree with Gunny that it's a deviancy, and it doesn belong in the league of heterosexual honeymooners, giving each other pecks/kisses.
Deviant behaviour should be monitored and stopped if possible by AA, and they did it.
Kudos to the AA pilot, and onboard staff!!!:clap1:
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Kagom, before getting your knickers in a twist, FYI the term "useful idiot" comes from a well-known book by the same name and refers to people duped by the commies.
I couldn't make sense of your second sentence.
It is not "faulty reasoning" to observe what is happening in Scandinavia. Perhaps you need to broaden your sources of information. Maybe then you will not be so quick to scoff and "look down upon".
So you are blaming "liberal attitudes toward sex" as the reason for the increase of out-of-wedlock children? I have to agree with you. Acceptance of homosexuality, you must also agree, is part of the "liberal attitudes toward sex".
MissleMan/ said:
Can you provide a source and explanation for that?
Kagom
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That's the first time I've really seen people complain about affection being shown on a plane. On my way to Cali, a married couple next to me were touching and pecks/kisses. No one said anything to them. Now, I'm not saying that's all they were doing. But if it was, then no one should have told them to "knock it off." And Eightball, they deserve the same rights as you and your spouse/lover do. They don't deserve ostracization because they are gay.
Kagom
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My mistake then. I didn't know that.Kagom, before getting your knickers in a twist, FYI the term "useful idiot" comes from a well-known book by the same name and refers to people duped by the commies.
I couldn't make sense of your second sentence.
It is not "faulty reasoning" to observe what is happening in Scandinavia. Perhaps you need to broaden your sources of information. Maybe then you will not be so quick to scoff and "look down upon".
So you are blaming "liberal attitudes toward sex" as the reason for the increase of out-of-wedlock children? I have to agree with you. Acceptance of homosexuality, you must also agree, is part of the "liberal attitudes toward sex".
I'll explain further with what I meant in my second sentence. Liberals are nothing like Communists. On the political spectrum, the Liberals are considered left and Communists extreme right. I was basically saying that you can't really say they're the same.
It is faulty reasoning to believe that gay marriage causes polygamy or polyamory. You have no actual proof that's what causes it or acceptance thereof.
I will agree accepting homosexuality is apart of the liberal attitude towards sex, however, it still has no effect on the rate of marriages or wedlock children. The other attitudes, however, do.
Kagom
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Liberalism: The political philosophy which centers around the preservation of the liberties of an individual, as opposed the the centralized federalist state.
Communism: The political government that focuses on the centralized federalist state, in which absolute power is given to the central government. In a communist government, the individual has no particular "rights," as everything is basically decided by the government. Also, there are no social classes, where everyone gets paid the same amount of money for their work, regardless of what job or how well the job is done
mattskramer
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Yep. The old slippery slope fallacy. What next - bestiality and necromancy?
Things don't always slip. Similarly:
If the communists get into S. Vietnam, then they will take over the country. Then they will get into Laos ad Thailand. If they get into Laos and Thailand then they will control all of Asia. If they control all of Asia, they will get the whole world and democracy in America will become extinct. So if the communists get into S. Vietnam, then they will take over the world and democracy in America will become extinct.
http://www.class.uh.edu/phil/garson/CT.Lec4.htm
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope for a rather extensive review of the "Slippery Slope".
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http://www.marriagedebate.com/2004/07/scandinavia-and-netherlands-m.htm
I can't find the exact article I read before but this one parallels the concept.
Kagom
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MissileMan again
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^ None of those countries have "gay marriage", they are civil unions. Those stats do not include "gays".
Yep, the old strawman argument. Containment was France's and LBJ's idea.
They will if you don't have a good footing:
As impartial as some other sites in this thread: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52120
Slippery-slope? WHAT slippery-slope?
Yep, the old strawman argument. Containment was France's and LBJ's idea.
They will if you don't have a good footing:
As impartial as some other sites in this thread: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52120
Slippery-slope? WHAT slippery-slope?
mattskramer
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Nation A has thingies. Nation B wants to have thingies too. Nation B needs to be careful because Nation A now has thongies. Therefore, if nation B gets thingies they will naturally get thongies. IÂ’m sorry but such is not always the case. The USA is not Europe.
Kagom
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WND claims to be "fiercely independant" but their stories reflect a more right leaning thought pattern.
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Liberals or progressives or whatever are essentially communist-lites. They basically spout Marxist and socialist philosophy. They advocate control of the economy. They support the destruction of the family.
What makes you think gay marriage won't lead to polyamory or polygamy? The arguments for them are basically the same as the arguments for gay marriage. Would you deny a bisexual the right to marry one of each sex?
Gay marriage definitely has an effect on marriage and children because it changes the focus of marriage away from the children.
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