The debates

[RoccoR]

RE: The Debates
SUBTOPIC: Considering the Original Intent of A/RES/181 (II)
※→ P F Tinmore, el al,

BLUF: Was it ever really under the sovereign control of any Arab Palestinian Leadership and Government? (NO!). It was the territory formerly under the Mandate called Palestine. Paragraph 1, Palestine Order in Council.

The territory had been called "Palestine" for so long, that no other name seemed more appropriate. The Government of Palestine (a UK entity) appeared to be a very appropriate name for the new Administrative Government in 1920.

So then, why does the world call it occupied Palestinian territory?

(COMMENT)

Even though the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) rejected the establishment of the Arab State, under Part II, A/RES/181 (II), it was optimistically thought that eventually, the Arab Palestinians would secure their carve-out under the recommendation. No one then actually believed that the Arab Palestinian would reject a cooperative arrangement with the UN and adopt the induction into the Hashemite Kingdom under the "Unification of the two Banks."

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.
SOURCE: Online Official Government History of Jordan

The Jericho Conference of 1 December 1948 was the political launch platform for the annexation. The Arab Palestinians from every corner of the territory, some ≈ thousand delegates, voted unanimously to adopt the annexation with Jordan. At the time of the annexation, Jordan was not yet a signatory to the Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

So then, why does the world call it occupied Palestinian territory?

Colloquial name.

A geographic area in the Great Satan is called the "Bible Belt'' despite the fact that this area was never invented as a state by the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Debates
SUBTOPIC: Borders
※→ P F Tinmore, el al,

BLUF: Now you are just being foolish. You will not find a single "binding" document by the UN that created any borders on the authority of the UN. The thrust of your statement is to suggest that the UN created some border arrangements. It clearly DID NOT.

See; Posting 393, in the Thread titled: The Debate.

Of course they did. The UN had no authority to create a border inside Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Borders are established between sovereign powers; NOT the UN which is NOT a sovereign power. Everyone knows this.

The current borders relative to the territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip are established by "Treaties."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Are you confusing military control with sovereignty again?

Are you still confusing Arab occupation with sovereignty?

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Debates
SUBTOPIC: Borders
※→ P F Tinmore, el al,

BLUF: Now you are just being foolish. You will not find a single "binding" document by the UN that created any borders on the authority of the UN. The thrust of your statement is to suggest that the UN created some border arrangements. It clearly DID NOT.

See; Posting 393, in the Thread titled: The Debate.


(COMMENT)

Borders are established between sovereign powers; NOT the UN which is NOT a sovereign power. Everyone knows this.

The current borders relative to the territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip are established by "Treaties."

Most Respectfully,
R

That's problematic because P F Tinmore has already identified that various Israeli treaties with neighboring Arab states don't exist because ''Israeli is not a place".

 

[USAF 2023]

Of course they did. The UN had no authority to create a border inside Palestine.

Then Israel doesn’t have to abide by those “ fake borders” now. According to you, any “ agreement” would be null and void

 

[P F Tinmore]

Was it ever really under the sovereign control of any Arab Palestinian Leadership and Government? (NO!).

Holy irrelevance, Batman!

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

It is the people who have sovereignty not a government or state.

Notice that "government" or "state" are not mentioned.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That's problematic because P F Tinmore has already identified that various Israeli treaties with neighboring Arab states don't exist because ''Israeli is not a place".

No. Israel has no authority over Palestine's borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then Israel doesn’t have to abide by those “ fake borders” now. According to you, any “ agreement” would be null and void

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries yet there they are on every map of "Israel."

 

[Hollie]

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries yet there they are on every map of "Israel."

Holy cut and paste, Batman. How many times has that cut and paste slogan been addressed?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Holy cut and paste, Batman. How many times has that cut and paste slogan been addressed?

Zionists are slow learners.

 

[Hollie]

Holy irrelevance, Batman!


It is the people who have sovereignty not a government or state.

Notice that "government" or "state" are not mentioned.

Arab occupation does not mean sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

Zionists are slow learners.

So... you retreat, as usual.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arab occupation does not mean sovereignty.

Which Arabs?

 

[Hollie]

No. Israel has no authority over Palestine's borders.

What borders? The state of Israel has borders (established by treaty), with neighboring Arab States.

What border has Egypt established with the State of Sinwar'istan?

 

[Hollie]

Which Arabs?

Pick some.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What borders? The state of Israel has borders (established by treaty), with neighboring Arab States.

What border has Egypt established with the State of Sinwar'istan?

The Egyptian border was established in 1906.

 

[USAF 2023]

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries yet there they are on every map of "Israel."

Then Israel has no moral or legal right to abide by them now. Thank You!
Keep asking One question which you manage to duck every single time. In the interest of “ peace” please tell us why it’s the Official Position of the PLO that Israel has no rights to their religious sites and why Israel should accept it??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then Israel has no moral or legal right to abide by them now. Thank You!
Keep asking One question which you manage to duck every single time. In the interest of “ peace” please tell us why it’s the Official Position of the PLO that Israel has no rights to their religious sites and why Israel should accept it??

When Israel ceases to be the enemy, things might change

 

[Hollie]

The Egyptian border was established in 1906.

The Egyptian border with Pal'istan? You have insisted that Pal'istan was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1924.