The debate is OVER

[Mojo2]

We rated the statement True. State budget watchers confirmed a widespread recovery in tax revenues among the states as the nation continues to edge out of the Great Recession.

But, but Rush says that the economy has tanked and Oblama is leading us down to where we will never recover...He says he bases this on the fact that he has a listening audience worth several million a year in income and he has to be able to keep the dough rollin' in, even if it takes a little lie to keep the boat floating while he laughs at the gullible people all the way to the bank.

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it's incendiary, yes it's ugly.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele

Michael Steele was so effective as (now, former) Republican National Committee Chairman, they replaced him with that brilliant, go-getter, Reince Priebus.

 

[P@triot]

Hey pea brain, YOU spew about taking all taxes down to 0%, THEN you spew about building the military back up to where it should be...hey shit for brains, you CAN'T have the biggest military in the world, AND spend $0.00 per year. Only a RETARD would even utter such a childish premise.

It's called reading comprehension, stupid, and clearly you lack it. At no time did I advocate taking taxes down to 0%. I simply stated that even if you did do that, you still could not accumulate debt unless you spent.

I can see now why you're a Dumbocrat. You're completely incapable of following along. You're literally confused by everything. I have not deleted one post from this thread. Everything I have posted is still there for everyone to read. Maybe you can have a parent go back and read it to you - and then explain it to you?

Reagan and Bush were NOT liberals you MORON. They are BORROW and spend right wing authoritarians.

Once again Bfgrn illustrates his lack of reading comprehension. At no time did I say that Reagan was a liberal. In fact, I consider Reagan to be the greatest conservative president of all time. And to call Reagan an "authoritarian" is fall down hilarious considering you're the same dumb-ass who has cried over and over and over about Regan "de-regulating". If you are deregulating ass-wipe, then you are voluntarily giving up government centralized control and giving more freedom to people. You truly are a special kind of stupid.

I said Bush was a liberal. He spent recklessly (libtard), he grew government (libtard), he pissed on the Constitution (libtard), he bailed out private industry in the free market (libtard).

Now lets compare that with Obama who you literally worship and fantasize about fellating. He spends recklessly (check), he has grown government (check), he has pissed on the Constitution (check), he bailed out private industry in the free market (check).

Uh-oh...someone has just been exposed for being a blind, ignorant, partisan hack

Obama and liberals PAY for what they spend.

Bwhahahahahah!!!! $7 trillion in deficit spending under Obama and the Dumbocrats you ignorant fuck'n child. The CBO has confirmed that Obamacare alone will add $2 trillion to the national debt (pushing Obama's total to a guaranteed total of over $9 trillion in deficit spending during from his presidency). It took every president in U.S. history over 230 years to accumulate $10 trillion in debt and Obama will nearly match that himself.

Furthermore, Obama has demanded (and received) that the federal debt ceiling be raised every year that he has been in office. Now that's odd. Why would he need to raise the debt ceiling if he and the Dumbocrats are adhering to "pay as you go"? How does it feel to have your extraordinary ignorance exposed in front of the world?

 

[P@triot]

What your MessiahRushie failed to cite is Scotty Twat hit up Obama, and thus all the taxpayers outside of Wisconsin, for $450 million this Winter!!!!! So in essence WE are paying for Walkers tax refund and getting nothing for it!!!

Obama, Walker talk propane shortage | FOX 11 Online | WLUK-TV

Governor Scott Walker asked President Obama for help and the governor told FOX 11 the president came through. Walker told us he spoke with one of Obama’s advisors Thursday morning. “We went through the list I sent to the president and checked off all the things I’d asked for assistance on. They’re acting on it, our partners are, so we’re glad to see that,” Walker explained.
Walker thanked the president in person when Obama landed in Milwaukee about an hour after that phone call.
“The federal government’s gonna help us out with rail service and some other federal restrictions,” Walker said.
Walker told us the Obama administration also set aside $450 million to go to state’s low income home energy assistance programs.

What is your point here?

Is this miniscule $450 million what turned around the ($6 billion?) debt into a nearly $1 billion surplus? No - no, the math doesn't add up their chief.

Another Right-wing useful idiot who doesn't know the difference between DEBT and DEFICIT or REAL and PROJECTED.

You should know by now never to believe any number from a Republican and anything from your MessiahRushie!!!!!

Anybody want to look at Wisconsin's debt? ... Bueller? ... Bueller? « Watchdog.org

After fiscal year 2013, the state’s real deficit, based on Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, is $1.7 billion. That’s down from the $2.9 billion when Gov. Scott Walker took office and is the lowest since 2003. The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year, has played a big part in lowering that debt load.

Says the simpleton who claims over and over that Bill Clinton had a "surplus"

Directly from the article that you posted junior: "The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year"

Uh-oh! Uh-oh! Looks like someone else has a reading comprehension problem. Once again proving why Dumbocrats are Dumbocrats (lazy, greedy, and stupid). See that world materialized junior? That means they actually, tangibly have the nearly $1 billion in surplus. And again, that is directly from your article.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[edthecynic]

What is your point here?

Is this miniscule $450 million what turned around the ($6 billion?) debt into a nearly $1 billion surplus? No - no, the math doesn't add up their chief.

Another Right-wing useful idiot who doesn't know the difference between DEBT and DEFICIT or REAL and PROJECTED.

You should know by now never to believe any number from a Republican and anything from your MessiahRushie!!!!!

Anybody want to look at Wisconsin's debt? ... Bueller? ... Bueller? « Watchdog.org

After fiscal year 2013, the state’s real deficit, based on Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, is $1.7 billion. That’s down from the $2.9 billion when Gov. Scott Walker took office and is the lowest since 2003. The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year, has played a big part in lowering that debt load.

Says the simpleton who claims over and over that Bill Clinton had a "surplus"

Directly from the article that you posted junior: "The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year"

Uh-oh! Uh-oh! Looks like someone else has a reading comprehension problem. Once again proving why Dumbocrats are Dumbocrats (lazy, greedy, and stupid). See that world materialized junior? That means they actually, tangibly have the nearly $1 billion in surplus. And again, that is directly from your article.

Game. Set. Match.

NO, that means they have a $1.7 billion DEFICIT rather than a $2.46 billion DEFICIT because tax revenue is up thanks to Obama saving the economy.

 

[P@triot]

Dumbocrats are so predictable - they are spewing every lie, preventing every statement, and attempting to skew every fact out of sheer desperation.

They know that that Detroit has indisputably proven that Dumbocrat spread-the-wealth ideology is a failed ideology, and that Wisconsin has indisputably proven that conservative free-market capitalism creates prosperity.

And they know that as soon as people realize it, their days of their greedy government gravy train are over. And man are they panicked about that!

 

[P@triot]

Another Right-wing useful idiot who doesn't know the difference between DEBT and DEFICIT or REAL and PROJECTED.

You should know by now never to believe any number from a Republican and anything from your MessiahRushie!!!!!

Anybody want to look at Wisconsin's debt? ... Bueller? ... Bueller? « Watchdog.org

After fiscal year 2013, the state’s real deficit, based on Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, is $1.7 billion. That’s down from the $2.9 billion when Gov. Scott Walker took office and is the lowest since 2003. The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year, has played a big part in lowering that debt load.

Says the simpleton who claims over and over that Bill Clinton had a "surplus"

Directly from the article that you posted junior: "The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year"

Uh-oh! Uh-oh! Looks like someone else has a reading comprehension problem. Once again proving why Dumbocrats are Dumbocrats (lazy, greedy, and stupid). See that world materialized junior? That means they actually, tangibly have the nearly $1 billion in surplus. And again, that is directly from your article.

Game. Set. Match.

NO, that means they have a $1.7 billion DEFICIT rather than a $2.46 billion DEFICIT because tax revenue is up thanks to Obama saving the economy.

You're the only asshole here chief - you just got bent over by your own link!

Obama "saving the economy"?!? Bwahahahahahah!!! You mean the economy that is so atrocious, people have dropped out of the work force? You mean the economy that people elected conservatives in record numbers in the 2010 midterms to save from collapse? You mean the economy that despite Obama incompetence, Republican governors, mayors, and state legislators have managed to keep afloat by implementing the policies that stimulate job growth? Like what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin? You mean that economy?

 

[edthecynic]

Says the simpleton who claims over and over that Bill Clinton had a "surplus"

Directly from the article that you posted junior: "The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year"

Uh-oh! Uh-oh! Looks like someone else has a reading comprehension problem. Once again proving why Dumbocrats are Dumbocrats (lazy, greedy, and stupid). See that world materialized junior? That means they actually, tangibly have the nearly $1 billion in surplus. And again, that is directly from your article.

Game. Set. Match.

NO, that means they have a $1.7 billion DEFICIT rather than a $2.46 billion DEFICIT because tax revenue is up thanks to Obama saving the economy.

You're the only asshole here chief - you just got bent over by your own link!

Obama "saving the economy"?!? Bwahahahahahah!!! You mean the economy that is so atrocious, people have dropped out of the work force? You mean the economy that people elected conservatives in record numbers in the 2010 midterms to save from collapse? You mean the economy that despite Obama incompetence, Republican governors, mayors, and state legislators have managed to keep afloat by implementing the policies that stimulate job growth? Like what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin? You mean that economy?

So you admit Walker added $1.7 billion to his state's debt in 2013, which is $16 billion to $45 billion, up from the $6 billion in debt you said he started with, depending on how you measure public pension debt.

 

[natstew]

Dems were in charge during the good times too. But I guess those don't count. Maybe the Republican governor will magically save Detroit by hatin the gays and ranting about Obamacare.

The only time Dems are in charge "during the good times" is when they take over prosperity from conservatives who built the prosperity (such as the case of Clinton who rode the economic tidal wave created by Reagan) - and then they crash it (as Clinton did with our housing market coupled with ignoring Al Qaeda while gutting defense, leading to 9/11 which cost ungodly billions to clean up and trillions more in wars).

So Reagan, that was out of office for over 4 years instigated the dot com bubble....funny thing is he didn't even have a computer....Bush was in charge when the recession hit, just like Hoover was in charge when the Great Depression hit, but you want to blame democrats.......

Moonie, you are one stupid motherfucker!

 

[P@triot]

NO, that means they have a $1.7 billion DEFICIT rather than a $2.46 billion DEFICIT because tax revenue is up thanks to Obama saving the economy.

You're the only asshole here chief - you just got bent over by your own link!

Obama "saving the economy"?!? Bwahahahahahah!!! You mean the economy that is so atrocious, people have dropped out of the work force? You mean the economy that people elected conservatives in record numbers in the 2010 midterms to save from collapse? You mean the economy that despite Obama incompetence, Republican governors, mayors, and state legislators have managed to keep afloat by implementing the policies that stimulate job growth? Like what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin? You mean that economy?

So you admit Walker added $1.7 billion to his state's debt in 2013, which is $16 billion to $45 billion, up from the $6 billion in debt you said he started with, depending on how you measure public pension debt.

So you finally admit that Obama has failed miserably? It's about damn time!

 

[Brain357]

If 60 years of complete and total Democrat control bankrupting Detorit and collapsing it didn't prove that liberal ideology is a failed ideology filled with failed policies (and make no mistake, it did) then this certainly ends the debate:

Limbaugh cited an Associated Press report run Wednesday on page A14 of the New York Times about the Wisconsin Assembly passing Walker’s $504 million tax-cut plan. As previously reported by TheBlaze, Walker intends to use part of Wisconsin’s projected $977 million surplus to pay for property and income tax cuts.

“He introduced a bill in January that would send $406 million to technical colleges to reduce their property tax hit and cut income taxes by $98 million by reducing the lowest bracket to 4 percent from 4.4 percent,” the report states. “The end result would be a $131 reduction a median home’s tax bill this December and $46 in annual income tax savings for the average worker.”


Democrats Are "Living in Mortal Fear" of the Day This Huge Story Is Widely Reported

Good thing Wisconsin doesn't have a military. Otherwise he would blow all the money on the military and wars. Republicans should listen to Ron Paul.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey pea brain, YOU spew about taking all taxes down to 0%, THEN you spew about building the military back up to where it should be...hey shit for brains, you CAN'T have the biggest military in the world, AND spend $0.00 per year. Only a RETARD would even utter such a childish premise.

It's called reading comprehension, stupid, and clearly you lack it. At no time did I advocate taking taxes down to 0%. I simply stated that even if you did do that, you still could not accumulate debt unless you spent.

I can see now why you're a Dumbocrat. You're completely incapable of following along. You're literally confused by everything. I have not deleted one post from this thread. Everything I have posted is still there for everyone to read. Maybe you can have a parent go back and read it to you - and then explain it to you?

Reagan and Bush were NOT liberals you MORON. They are BORROW and spend right wing authoritarians.

Once again Bfgrn illustrates his lack of reading comprehension. At no time did I say that Reagan was a liberal. In fact, I consider Reagan to be the greatest conservative president of all time. And to call Reagan an "authoritarian" is fall down hilarious considering you're the same dumb-ass who has cried over and over and over about Regan "de-regulating". If you are deregulating ass-wipe, then you are voluntarily giving up government centralized control and giving more freedom to people. You truly are a special kind of stupid.

I said Bush was a liberal. He spent recklessly (libtard), he grew government (libtard), he pissed on the Constitution (libtard), he bailed out private industry in the free market (libtard).

Now lets compare that with Obama who you literally worship and fantasize about fellating. He spends recklessly (check), he has grown government (check), he has pissed on the Constitution (check), he bailed out private industry in the free market (check).

Uh-oh...someone has just been exposed for being a blind, ignorant, partisan hack

Obama and liberals PAY for what they spend.

Bwhahahahahah!!!! $7 trillion in deficit spending under Obama and the Dumbocrats you ignorant fuck'n child. The CBO has confirmed that Obamacare alone will add $2 trillion to the national debt (pushing Obama's total to a guaranteed total of over $9 trillion in deficit spending during from his presidency). It took every president in U.S. history over 230 years to accumulate $10 trillion in debt and Obama will nearly match that himself.

Furthermore, Obama has demanded (and received) that the federal debt ceiling be raised every year that he has been in office. Now that's odd. Why would he need to raise the debt ceiling if he and the Dumbocrats are adhering to "pay as you go"? How does it feel to have your extraordinary ignorance exposed in front of the world?

I consider Reagan to be the greatest conservative president of all time.

Hey shit for brains...if Obama is the BIG spender, and Reagan was the greatest conservative president of all time, then WHY has Obama only raised the debt ceiling 2 times and your man-crush Reagan raised it 18 FUCKING TIMES?

You are getting completely hammered on this thread you pea brain.

Some MORE bad news for you retard...

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

 

[RKMBrown]

Hey pea brain, YOU spew about taking all taxes down to 0%, THEN you spew about building the military back up to where it should be...hey shit for brains, you CAN'T have the biggest military in the world, AND spend $0.00 per year. Only a RETARD would even utter such a childish premise.

It's called reading comprehension, stupid, and clearly you lack it. At no time did I advocate taking taxes down to 0%. I simply stated that even if you did do that, you still could not accumulate debt unless you spent.

I can see now why you're a Dumbocrat. You're completely incapable of following along. You're literally confused by everything. I have not deleted one post from this thread. Everything I have posted is still there for everyone to read. Maybe you can have a parent go back and read it to you - and then explain it to you?



Once again Bfgrn illustrates his lack of reading comprehension. At no time did I say that Reagan was a liberal. In fact, I consider Reagan to be the greatest conservative president of all time. And to call Reagan an "authoritarian" is fall down hilarious considering you're the same dumb-ass who has cried over and over and over about Regan "de-regulating". If you are deregulating ass-wipe, then you are voluntarily giving up government centralized control and giving more freedom to people. You truly are a special kind of stupid.

I said Bush was a liberal. He spent recklessly (libtard), he grew government (libtard), he pissed on the Constitution (libtard), he bailed out private industry in the free market (libtard).

Now lets compare that with Obama who you literally worship and fantasize about fellating. He spends recklessly (check), he has grown government (check), he has pissed on the Constitution (check), he bailed out private industry in the free market (check).

Uh-oh...someone has just been exposed for being a blind, ignorant, partisan hack



Bwhahahahahah!!!! $7 trillion in deficit spending under Obama and the Dumbocrats you ignorant fuck'n child. The CBO has confirmed that Obamacare alone will add $2 trillion to the national debt (pushing Obama's total to a guaranteed total of over $9 trillion in deficit spending during from his presidency). It took every president in U.S. history over 230 years to accumulate $10 trillion in debt and Obama will nearly match that himself.

Furthermore, Obama has demanded (and received) that the federal debt ceiling be raised every year that he has been in office. Now that's odd. Why would he need to raise the debt ceiling if he and the Dumbocrats are adhering to "pay as you go"? How does it feel to have your extraordinary ignorance exposed in front of the world?

I consider Reagan to be the greatest conservative president of all time.

Hey shit for brains...if Obama is the BIG spender, and Reagan was the greatest conservative president of all time, then WHY has Obama only raised the debt ceiling 2 times and your man-crush Reagan raised it 18 FUCKING TIMES?

You are getting completely hammered on this thread you pea brain.

Some MORE bad news for you retard...

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

retard

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes it does... And?

It has the word "Detroit" because "Detroit" illustrates failed liberal ideology and policy better than anything else in the U.S.

And Wisconsin right now is a tremendous illustration of the success of conservative free-market capitalism.

While Detroit is a shit-hole of poverty and misery, Wisconsin has lowered their unemployment 3%, erased their ($6 billion?) debt, created a nearly $1 billion surplus, and are now cutting taxes to put even more money in the pockets of the people there - and all of it was achieved with conservative policy.

To which party does the governor of Michigan belong?

If you are going to laud Walker, you have to laud the Michigan governor, but . . . there is Detroit.

Rott, you are guilty of false equivalency.

Moonglow caught you.

Now fess you have no idea about what you are talking and move on down the line.

Do you know the difference between cities and states?

We have 57 states and many more cities.

Detroit is one poorly run Democrat stronghold city within the STATE of Michigan. Not all cities in Michigan are failing like Democrat stronghold of Detroit

You and I do, Frank, yes. You and I also understand the logic of equivalency and that Rott has screwed up . . . again.

 

[Brain357]

To which party does the governor of Michigan belong?

If you are going to laud Walker, you have to laud the Michigan governor, but . . . there is Detroit.

Rott, you are guilty of false equivalency.

Moonglow caught you.

Now fess you have no idea about what you are talking and move on down the line.

Do you know the difference between cities and states?

We have 57 states and many more cities.

Detroit is one poorly run Democrat stronghold city within the STATE of Michigan. Not all cities in Michigan are failing like Democrat stronghold of Detroit

You and I do, Frank, yes. You and I also understand the logic of equivalency and that Rott has screwed up . . . again.

He seems to do that again and again and again...

 

[Brain357]

And they made a lot of crappy cars consumers didn't want.

UAW forced US car companies labor costs very high vs. import. UAW prevented cost-saving by blocking use of innovative high-efficiency technologies. Left with few options to control costs, execs switched cars designs from expensive quality parts to cheap inferior parts. US cars gets worse and worse. People began to buy Japanese cars instead of US cars.

UAW made it impossible for US companies to compete with Japanese manufacturers.

Did UAW also make the cars ugly and not what consumers wanted? The execs were slow to make the type of cars consumers wanted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why, yes . . . yes, he does. Continually.

 

[Brain357]

So they should have gone out of business, right? Instead Obama rescued them and they continue to make crappy cars, like the Volt, that no one wants.
See how that works?

The execs ran it into the ground and it should have gone under.

So you support thousands of people losing high paying manufacturing jobs. We got it.

Well one would hope the high paying execs who were doing a crappy job would have been canned and replaced before they went out of business. They of course have a special deal in this country so who knows if that would happen. But yes I don't support government bailouts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The execs ran it into the ground and it should have gone under.

So you support thousands of people losing high paying manufacturing jobs. We got it.

Well one would hope the high paying execs who were doing a crappy job would have been canned and replaced before they went out of business. They of course have a special deal in this country so who knows if that would happen. But yes I don't support government bailouts.

The Rabbi supported the bail out of the auto industry.

 

[MaxGrit]

And they made a lot of crappy cars consumers didn't want.

UAW forced US car companies labor costs very high vs. import. UAW prevented cost-saving by blocking use of innovative high-efficiency technologies. Left with few options to control costs, execs switched cars designs from expensive quality parts to cheap inferior parts. US cars gets worse and worse. People began to buy Japanese cars instead of US cars.

UAW made it impossible for US companies to compete with Japanese manufacturers.

Put the blame where it belongs -- designers obsessed with profit over practicality.

Think please. If you are obsessed with profit, what would you do?

If you want to look at what puts US car makers at a huge disadvantage, I will spell it for you:

HEALTH CARE COSTS... Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd.

Every other industrialized nation has national health care, except for America, which is infested with right wing cancer.

Health care, pensions, etc. are labor costs. UAW drive up labor costs. Unions started out for good reasons, but most became centralized where the union bosses stop caring about their workers. Money from unions goes to politicians for protectionist laws. It's a good crony capitalism racket which mostly benefit the union bosses.

Forced membership into huge centralized unions, removing power from the individual worker and placing it into the hand of union bosses, who only care about themselves, is good for the common worker?

 

[MaxGrit]

A transparent health care system that is sensible would work to contain costs a lot better than more government regulation. Lots of reforms are needed. It will be unpleasant, but necessary if you want to fix health care before it crashes and burn, taking the whole country and the economy with it.

Possible fixes:

Upfront billing with flat rate for procedures. EMTALA fix so that the ED wouldn't have to accept whoever shows up; true emergencies only. Tort reform. Third party provider reform. End-of-life issues reform. Pharmaceutical reform.