The debate is OVER

[Bfgrn]

And they made a lot of crappy cars consumers didn't want.

UAW forced US car companies labor costs very high vs. import. UAW prevented cost-saving by blocking use of innovative high-efficiency technologies. Left with few options to control costs, execs switched cars designs from expensive quality parts to cheap inferior parts. US cars gets worse and worse. People began to buy Japanese cars instead of US cars.

UAW made it impossible for US companies to compete with Japanese manufacturers.

Right wing bullshit.

If you want to look at what puts US car makers at a huge disadvantage, I will spell it for you:

HEALTH CARE COSTS... Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd.

Every other industrialized nation has national health care, except for America, which is infested with right wing cancer.

 

[P@triot]

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

And sadly the left continues to make up their own facts. $7 trillion added to the debt during the Obama reign of terror. $7 trillion. More than Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II combined in a total of 5 terms.

You can't "tax cut" your way to a deficit. You can only spend your way to a deficit. Period. If the federal government spent $0.00 per year, there would be no debt. It's spending that creates debt - no matter how desperately you greedy government gravy-train liberals want to convince people otherwise.

You certainly CAN tax cut your way to deficits. Are you THAT ******* retarded? Reagan proved it.

Democrats PAY for what they spend through tax revenue. It is called 'tax and spend'.

There was no debt to speak of before Reagan. Kennedy and Johnson faced budget surpluses'.

Ronald Reagan, the actor, switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Thank you for proving me right while contradict yourself you mental midget!

Key word with Reagan: spend. You're literally so stupid that you said "Regan proved it" and then immediately followed that up with the word SPEND.

You cannot tax cut your way to debt junior. I've already proved this above, then you proved it again, but I'll say it one more time because you're slow:

If the federal government spent $0.00 per year, there would be no debt. It's spending that creates debt - no matter how desperately you greedy government gravy-train liberals want to convince people otherwise. It is literally impossible to tax cut your way to debt. Even if you took all taxes down to 0% - so long as you didn't spend one penny, you would still have no debt (it's truly remarkable that you are this stupid, I need to explain to you that debt comes from spending more than you bring in).

Please explain how 'borrow and spend' is a conservative tenet...PLEASE. I want to hear it pea brain. Tell us how making our children and grand children pay is fiscal conservatism.

It's not - it's the hallmark of idiot liberalism. And it'a one of the many glaring examples of how Bush was a liberal and what a bunch of blind partisan hacks you people are (Bush is a liberal wet-dream if he runs for office with a little "d" behind his name).

Unfortunately for both Reagan and GWB - they had to follow immature idealistic Dumbocrats who all but eliminated defense in favor of a "roll over and yield to your enemy so they will like you" appeasement strategy (which - like all things Dumbocrat - failed miserably). And it cost a TON of money by the only responsible adults in the room (Republicans) to build the military back up to where it should be.

And stick the blame Obama up your greasy ass.

Whoooo.... someone is really upset about having to face the facts. Since you can't dispute that Obama has added $7 trillion to the national debt (more in one term than the previous 3 GOP presidents combined added in 5 terms) all you can do is act like the uneducated, vulgar, trailer-dweller that you are!

 

[RKMBrown]

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

And sadly the left continues to make up their own facts. $7 trillion added to the debt during the Obama reign of terror. $7 trillion. More than Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II combined in a total of 5 terms.

You can't "tax cut" your way to a deficit. You can only spend your way to a deficit. Period. If the federal government spent $0.00 per year, there would be no debt. It's spending that creates debt - no matter how desperately you greedy government gravy-train liberals want to convince people otherwise.

You certainly CAN tax cut your way to deficits. Are you THAT ******* retarded? Reagan proved it.

Democrats PAY for what they spend through tax revenue. It is called 'tax and spend'.

There was no debt to speak of before Reagan. Kennedy and Johnson faced budget surpluses'.

Ronald Reagan, the actor, switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Please explain how 'borrow and spend' is a conservative tenet...PLEASE. I want to hear it pea brain. Tell us how making our children and grand children pay is fiscal conservatism.

And stick the blame Obama up your greasy ass.

Retard.

 

[Pogo]

What the **** does this goofy-ass thread have to do with Media?

 

[P@triot]

And they made a lot of crappy cars consumers didn't want.

UAW forced US car companies labor costs very high vs. import. UAW prevented cost-saving by blocking use of innovative high-efficiency technologies. Left with few options to control costs, execs switched cars designs from expensive quality parts to cheap inferior parts. US cars gets worse and worse. People began to buy Japanese cars instead of US cars.

UAW made it impossible for US companies to compete with Japanese manufacturers.

Right wing bullshit.

If you want to look at what puts US car makers at a huge disadvantage, I will spell it for you:

HEALTH CARE COSTS... Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd.

Every other industrialized nation has national health care, except for America, which is infested with right wing cancer.

Which is why every other "industrialized nation" has vastly inferior healthcare, stupid. We have the best healthcare in the world and it's not even close.

But hey, you Dumbocrats have always been about lowering quality (cause you're all ****'n lazy beyond belief), lowering standards, and lowering the U.S. to the rest of the world.

Which begs the question - why don't you pieces of shit get the **** out of the U.S. and to experience you're ignorant socialism first hand in Cuba, Greece, or China? Answer: because [MENTION=19018]Bfgrn[/MENTION] and his fellow Dumbocrats know they won't have conservatives to mooch off of anymore if they leave....

 

[Pogo]

Go ahead liberals - do what you do best and start with your lies, cries, and excuses. When Walker took over in 2010, the state was ($6 billion?) in debt. They now have a surplus of almost $1 trillion.

Wisconsin has a budget surplus of a trillion. After being six BILLION in debt.

Wisconsin.

In other news you can now get a Domino's Pizza for six hundred thousand and 99 cents.

 

[Pogo]

Then why talk about Walker that is a gov, versus Detroit, Oh yeah, the pill popper in chief of the RNC is....

Are you even aware that Walker is Wisconsin while you keep talking about Michigan??? I'm starting to sense you're completely lost here and have no idea who Scott Walker is...

Why am I talking about Walker vs. Detroit? Because one (Walker) created prosperity through conservative policies while the other (Detroit) created poverty through liberal policies.

The OP intro for some reason has the word Detroit, for some reason....

That threw me too. Obviously Buttsoiler skipped both math and geography classes. But he can catch up tomorrow.

What a

 

[edthecynic]

Limbaugh cited an Associated Press report run Wednesday on page A14 of the New York Times about the Wisconsin Assembly passing Walker’s $504 million tax-cut plan. As previously reported by TheBlaze, Walker intends to use part of Wisconsin’s projected $977 million surplus to pay for property and income tax cuts.

What your MessiahRushie failed to cite is Scotty **** hit up Obama, and thus all the taxpayers outside of Wisconsin, for $450 million this Winter!!!!! So in essence WE are paying for Walkers tax refund and getting nothing for it!!!

Obama, Walker talk propane shortage | FOX 11 Online | WLUK-TV

Governor Scott Walker asked President Obama for help and the governor told FOX 11 the president came through. Walker told us he spoke with one of Obama’s advisors Thursday morning. “We went through the list I sent to the president and checked off all the things I’d asked for assistance on. They’re acting on it, our partners are, so we’re glad to see that,” Walker explained.
Walker thanked the president in person when Obama landed in Milwaukee about an hour after that phone call.
“The federal government’s gonna help us out with rail service and some other federal restrictions,” Walker said.
Walker told us the Obama administration also set aside $450 million to go to state’s low income home energy assistance programs.

 

[P@triot]

Limbaugh cited an Associated Press report run Wednesday on page A14 of the New York Times about the Wisconsin Assembly passing Walker’s $504 million tax-cut plan. As previously reported by TheBlaze, Walker intends to use part of Wisconsin’s projected $977 million surplus to pay for property and income tax cuts.

What your MessiahRushie failed to cite is Scotty **** hit up Obama, and thus all the taxpayers outside of Wisconsin, for $450 million this Winter!!!!! So in essence WE are paying for Walkers tax refund and getting nothing for it!!!

Obama, Walker talk propane shortage | FOX 11 Online | WLUK-TV

Governor Scott Walker asked President Obama for help and the governor told FOX 11 the president came through. Walker told us he spoke with one of Obama’s advisors Thursday morning. “We went through the list I sent to the president and checked off all the things I’d asked for assistance on. They’re acting on it, our partners are, so we’re glad to see that,” Walker explained.
Walker thanked the president in person when Obama landed in Milwaukee about an hour after that phone call.
“The federal government’s gonna help us out with rail service and some other federal restrictions,” Walker said.
Walker told us the Obama administration also set aside $450 million to go to state’s low income home energy assistance programs.

What is your point here?

Is this miniscule $450 million what turned around the ($6 billion?) debt into a nearly $1 billion surplus? No - no, the math doesn't add up their chief.

Well did this miniscule $450 million what turned around the 9% unemoloyment to 6% unemployment? No - no, the math doesn't add up their either chief.

If I had to guess (and unlike you lying Dumbocrats - I am admitting this is a guess) - I would say that like most real conservatives, Scott Walker was tired of seeing Obama unconstitutionally steal revenue from his state (in the form of taxes) and illegally redistribute to other states (in the form of pork). So he saw an opportunity to get some of that money back where it belongs and he cashed in on it. I know for a fact that Ron Paul has been doing that for decades.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you even aware that Walker is Wisconsin while you keep talking about Michigan??? I'm starting to sense you're completely lost here and have no idea who Scott Walker is...

Why am I talking about Walker vs. Detroit? Because one (Walker) created prosperity through conservative policies while the other (Detroit) created poverty through liberal policies.

The OP intro for some reason has the word Detroit, for some reason....

Yes it does... And?

It has the word "Detroit" because "Detroit" illustrates failed liberal ideology and policy better than anything else in the U.S.

And Wisconsin right now is a tremendous illustration of the success of conservative free-market capitalism.

While Detroit is a shit-hole of poverty and misery, Wisconsin has lowered their unemployment 3%, erased their ($6 billion?) debt, created a nearly $1 billion surplus, and are now cutting taxes to put even more money in the pockets of the people there - and all of it was achieved with conservative policy.

To which party does the governor of Michigan belong?

If you are going to laud Walker, you have to laud the Michigan governor, but . . . there is Detroit.

Rott, you are guilty of false equivalency.

Moonglow caught you.

Now fess you have no idea about what you are talking and move on down the line.

 

[edthecynic]

Limbaugh cited an Associated Press report run Wednesday on page A14 of the New York Times about the Wisconsin Assembly passing Walker’s $504 million tax-cut plan. As previously reported by TheBlaze, Walker intends to use part of Wisconsin’s projected $977 million surplus to pay for property and income tax cuts.

What your MessiahRushie failed to cite is Scotty **** hit up Obama, and thus all the taxpayers outside of Wisconsin, for $450 million this Winter!!!!! So in essence WE are paying for Walkers tax refund and getting nothing for it!!!

Obama, Walker talk propane shortage | FOX 11 Online | WLUK-TV

Governor Scott Walker asked President Obama for help and the governor told FOX 11 the president came through. Walker told us he spoke with one of Obama’s advisors Thursday morning. “We went through the list I sent to the president and checked off all the things I’d asked for assistance on. They’re acting on it, our partners are, so we’re glad to see that,” Walker explained.
Walker thanked the president in person when Obama landed in Milwaukee about an hour after that phone call.
“The federal government’s gonna help us out with rail service and some other federal restrictions,” Walker said.
Walker told us the Obama administration also set aside $450 million to go to state’s low income home energy assistance programs.

What is your point here?

Is this miniscule $450 million what turned around the ($6 billion?) debt into a nearly $1 billion surplus? No - no, the math doesn't add up their chief.

Another Right-wing useful idiot who doesn't know the difference between DEBT and DEFICIT or REAL and PROJECTED.

You should know by now never to believe any number from a Republican and anything from your MessiahRushie!!!!!

Anybody want to look at Wisconsin's debt? ... Bueller? ... Bueller? « Watchdog.org

After fiscal year 2013, the state’s real deficit, based on Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, is $1.7 billion. That’s down from the $2.9 billion when Gov. Scott Walker took office and is the lowest since 2003. The better-than-expected state revenue, some $760 million that materialized at the end of the past fiscal year, has played a big part in lowering that debt load.
But there’s more — so much more.
A newly released report by State Budget Solutions, a conservative public-policy organization, estimates the Badger State’s total debt is north of $45 billion. SBS’ fourth annual State Debt Study pegs total state debt nationally at $5.1 trillion, or roughly $16,178 per capita.
The group’s debt estimates for Wisconsin are nearly three times higher than the $15.98 billion in total debt noted in the state Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. That has everything to do with how the two reports measure public-pension debt.

 

[Bfgrn]

And sadly the left continues to make up their own facts. $7 trillion added to the debt during the Obama reign of terror. $7 trillion. More than Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II combined in a total of 5 terms.

You can't "tax cut" your way to a deficit. You can only spend your way to a deficit. Period. If the federal government spent $0.00 per year, there would be no debt. It's spending that creates debt - no matter how desperately you greedy government gravy-train liberals want to convince people otherwise.

You certainly CAN tax cut your way to deficits. Are you THAT ******* retarded? Reagan proved it.

Democrats PAY for what they spend through tax revenue. It is called 'tax and spend'.

There was no debt to speak of before Reagan. Kennedy and Johnson faced budget surpluses'.

Ronald Reagan, the actor, switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Thank you for proving me right while contradict yourself you mental midget!

Key word with Reagan: spend. You're literally so stupid that you said "Regan proved it" and then immediately followed that up with the word SPEND.

You cannot tax cut your way to debt junior. I've already proved this above, then you proved it again, but I'll say it one more time because you're slow:

If the federal government spent $0.00 per year, there would be no debt. It's spending that creates debt - no matter how desperately you greedy government gravy-train liberals want to convince people otherwise. It is literally impossible to tax cut your way to debt. Even if you took all taxes down to 0% - so long as you didn't spend one penny, you would still have no debt (it's truly remarkable that you are this stupid, I need to explain to you that debt comes from spending more than you bring in).

Please explain how 'borrow and spend' is a conservative tenet...PLEASE. I want to hear it pea brain. Tell us how making our children and grand children pay is fiscal conservatism.

It's not - it's the hallmark of idiot liberalism. And it'a one of the many glaring examples of how Bush was a liberal and what a bunch of blind partisan hacks you people are (Bush is a liberal wet-dream if he runs for office with a little "d" behind his name).

Unfortunately for both Reagan and GWB - they had to follow immature idealistic Dumbocrats who all but eliminated defense in favor of a "roll over and yield to your enemy so they will like you" appeasement strategy (which - like all things Dumbocrat - failed miserably). And it cost a TON of money by the only responsible adults in the room (Republicans) to build the military back up to where it should be.

And stick the blame Obama up your greasy ass.

Whoooo.... someone is really upset about having to face the facts. Since you can't dispute that Obama has added $7 trillion to the national debt (more in one term than the previous 3 GOP presidents combined added in 5 terms) all you can do is act like the uneducated, vulgar, trailer-dweller that you are!

Hey pea brain, YOU spew about taking all taxes down to 0%, THEN you spew about building the military back up to where it should be...hey shit for brains, you CAN'T have the biggest military in the world, AND spend $0.00 per year. Only a RETARD would even utter such a childish premise.

Reagan and Bush were NOT liberals you MORON. They are BORROW and spend right wing authoritarians.

Obama and liberals PAY for what they spend.

January 28, 2010, 04:58 pm
Senate passes pay-go rule on party-line vote

The Senate voted along party lines on Thursday to adopt statutory pay-go rules in a party-lines vote.

60 Democratic senators voted to adopt the pay-go measure (short for "pay-as-you-go"), which would require that new spending measures be offset in the budget by other funds, typically raised through tax increases or cuts to spending.

Republicans have said that by installing the rule, pay-go would become an excuse for tax hikes, since spending cuts are frequently unpopular.

All Democrats voted for the measure, and all 40 Republicans voted against it. The House adopted such a rule in a 265-166 vote last July.

President Barack Obama urged senators to move forward with the new rule in his State of the Union address on Wednesday night.

"When the vote comes tomorrow, the Senate should restore the pay-as-you-go law that was a big reason for why we had record surpluses in the 1990s," he said.

Obama's remarks came within the context of a broader effort toward deficit reduction, in addition to a three-year freeze on non-defense discretionary spending, and a commission on deficit reduction established by executive order.

Read more: Senate passes pay-go rule on party-line vote | TheHill
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[Moonglow]

Are you even aware that Walker is Wisconsin while you keep talking about Michigan??? I'm starting to sense you're completely lost here and have no idea who Scott Walker is...

Why am I talking about Walker vs. Detroit? Because one (Walker) created prosperity through conservative policies while the other (Detroit) created poverty through liberal policies.

The OP intro for some reason has the word Detroit, for some reason....

Yes it does... And?

It has the word "Detroit" because "Detroit" illustrates failed liberal ideology and policy better than anything else in the U.S.

And Wisconsin right now is a tremendous illustration of the success of conservative free-market capitalism.

While Detroit is a shit-hole of poverty and misery, Wisconsin has lowered their unemployment 3%, erased their ($6 billion?) debt, created a nearly $1 billion surplus, and are now cutting taxes to put even more money in the pockets of the people there - and all of it was achieved with conservative policy.

Congrats, but Wisconsin did not have a dying auto industry to deal with. But don't let me interfere with your Rush nose in azz fest.

 

[Moonglow]

Cheney told us that deficits don't matter.......

 

[Bfgrn]

Go ahead liberals - do what you do best and start with your lies, cries, and excuses. When Walker took over in 2010, the state was ($6 billion?) in debt. They now have a surplus of almost $1 trillion. And it was done with stone-cold conservative policy across the board.

The debate is over. Detroit proved that Dumbocrat policy collapses cities just as it does nations (Cuba, U.S.S.R., Greece, etc.) and Wisconsin proves that free-market conservative capitalism creates wealth and prosperity just as it does with nations (America before the rise of the cancer known as liberalism, Russia after they turned to it to rebuild from the former U.S.S.R., etc.).

OK, voodoo economic retard. Let's get to the REAL truth...

Deficit turned surplus*

In January 2014, the nonpartisan Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau projected the state would have a $1 billion surplus at the end of the two-year budget period covering July 2013 to July 2015 -- almost all of it because tax collections are rising faster than expected. That helped back up a frequent Walker boast that he has turned state finances around.

But there is arguably an asterisk to the boast.

Also in January 2014, the Wisconsin Democratic Party stated: "The national economic recovery has led to higher than expected tax revenues and projected budget surpluses in nearly every state in the nation, including Wisconsin."

We rated the statement True. State budget watchers confirmed a widespread recovery in tax revenues among the states as the nation continues to edge out of the Great Recession.

 

[Moonglow]

We rated the statement True. State budget watchers confirmed a widespread recovery in tax revenues among the states as the nation continues to edge out of the Great Recession.

But, but Rush says that the economy has tanked and Oblama is leading us down to where we will never recover...He says he bases this on the fact that he has a listening audience worth several million a year in income and he has to be able to keep the dough rollin' in, even if it takes a little lie to keep the boat floating while he laughs at the gullible people all the way to the bank.

 

[Moonglow]

RIP thread....

 

[Bfgrn]

We rated the statement True. State budget watchers confirmed a widespread recovery in tax revenues among the states as the nation continues to edge out of the Great Recession.

But, but Rush says that the economy has tanked and Oblama is leading us down to where we will never recover...He says he bases this on the fact that he has a listening audience worth several million a year in income and he has to be able to keep the dough rollin' in, even if it takes a little lie to keep the boat floating while he laughs at the gullible people all the way to the bank.

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it's incendiary, yes it's ugly.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The OP intro for some reason has the word Detroit, for some reason....

Yes it does... And?

It has the word "Detroit" because "Detroit" illustrates failed liberal ideology and policy better than anything else in the U.S.

And Wisconsin right now is a tremendous illustration of the success of conservative free-market capitalism.

While Detroit is a shit-hole of poverty and misery, Wisconsin has lowered their unemployment 3%, erased their ($6 billion?) debt, created a nearly $1 billion surplus, and are now cutting taxes to put even more money in the pockets of the people there - and all of it was achieved with conservative policy.

To which party does the governor of Michigan belong?

If you are going to laud Walker, you have to laud the Michigan governor, but . . . there is Detroit.

Rott, you are guilty of false equivalency.

Moonglow caught you.

Now fess you have no idea about what you are talking and move on down the line.

Do you know the difference between cities and states?

We have 57 states and many more cities.

Detroit is one poorly run Democrat stronghold city within the STATE of Michigan. Not all cities in Michigan are failing like Democrat stronghold of Detroit

 

[Mojo2]

Go ahead liberals - do what you do best and start with your lies, cries, and excuses. When Walker took over in 2010, the state was ($6 billion?) in debt. They now have a surplus of almost $1 trillion. And it was done with stone-cold conservative policy across the board.

The debate is over. Detroit proved that Dumbocrat policy collapses cities just as it does nations (Cuba, U.S.S.R., Greece, etc.) and Wisconsin proves that free-market conservative capitalism creates wealth and prosperity just as it does with nations (America before the rise of the cancer known as liberalism, Russia after they turned to it to rebuild from the former U.S.S.R., etc.).

Yeppers!

The debate is over. Detroit proved that Dumbocrat policy collapses cities just as it does nations

IRVING KRISTOL: If you had asked any liberal in 1960, we are going to pass these laws, these laws, these laws, and these laws, mentioning all the laws that in fact were passed in the 1960s and ‘70s, would you say crime will go up, drug addiction will go up, illegitimacy will go up, or will they get down?

Obviously, everyone would have said, they will get down. And everyone would have been wrong.

Now, that’s not something that the liberals have been able to face up to. They’ve had their reforms, and they have led to consequences that they did not expect and they don’t know what to do about.

Silt 3.0: Baby It's Cold Outside (first half)

That is just what liberals and Progressives do. They can't help themselves and they can't change.