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What do I care?
The Death Penalty is an example of Conservative Hypocrisy
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What do I care?
OldUSAFSniper
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I am a conservative AND an evangelical Christian. I fully believe that the death penalty is a valid punishment that should be used to fit the appropriate crime. To say that as a conservative cannot support the death penalty BECAUSE they don't believe in government is a complete and utter failure to understand the cornerstone of conservatives.
Conservatives dislike government and we do not trust it. Government is EVIL at all levels and the words "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is the absolute pinnacle in oxymorons. Ever been to the Social Security office? We believe that it should be as SMALL and as LEAN as possible. The only way to PRESERVE FREEDOM is to get the government out of our lives. The larger it gets, the more intrusive it gets (i.e., Banning large soft drinks, Obamacare, taxes, etc.). But conservatives have NEVER said that there shouldn't be a government. There has to be to maintain order and to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves (elderly, handicapped). The enforcing of laws and punishment is one of those government activities that we support.
When a person is sentenced to death, it takes about 15 years to carry out the sentence due to all of the appeals, etc. Conservatives ARE NOT supportive and did not create this burden. We believe in an automatic appeal of the sentence, but you will notice that Oklahoma and Texas (two very conservative states) have put in express lanes in death sentence cases. If a person is convicted of a crime and the jury recommends the death penalty, then there should be five automatic appeals (state appeals and supreme court, governor, and federal appeals and supreme court). Within 5 years that should be done and the sentence carried out.
It may not deter others from committing a crime. But that's not the point. It WILL deter one person from committing further crimes and that is the one executed. There is evil in this world. Ted Bundy and many others were evil incarnate and got what they deserved.
I thought liberals were supposed to be so smart?
Conservatives dislike government and we do not trust it. Government is EVIL at all levels and the words "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is the absolute pinnacle in oxymorons. Ever been to the Social Security office? We believe that it should be as SMALL and as LEAN as possible. The only way to PRESERVE FREEDOM is to get the government out of our lives. The larger it gets, the more intrusive it gets (i.e., Banning large soft drinks, Obamacare, taxes, etc.). But conservatives have NEVER said that there shouldn't be a government. There has to be to maintain order and to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves (elderly, handicapped). The enforcing of laws and punishment is one of those government activities that we support.
When a person is sentenced to death, it takes about 15 years to carry out the sentence due to all of the appeals, etc. Conservatives ARE NOT supportive and did not create this burden. We believe in an automatic appeal of the sentence, but you will notice that Oklahoma and Texas (two very conservative states) have put in express lanes in death sentence cases. If a person is convicted of a crime and the jury recommends the death penalty, then there should be five automatic appeals (state appeals and supreme court, governor, and federal appeals and supreme court). Within 5 years that should be done and the sentence carried out.
It may not deter others from committing a crime. But that's not the point. It WILL deter one person from committing further crimes and that is the one executed. There is evil in this world. Ted Bundy and many others were evil incarnate and got what they deserved.
I thought liberals were supposed to be so smart?
Wicked Jester
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Because in their lil' liberal pea-brained minds, an innocent child who is nothing more than an inconvenience to the lil' pea-brained liberal bastards, is akin to a vicious scumbag who committed pre-meditated murder, period.
But then, the majority of liberals are abject morons (the OP IS proof positive of that FACT), so it really comes as no surprise.
Soggy in NOLA
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What a stupid ******* thread.. the OP is an obvious simp.
Soggy in NOLA
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I'm hardcore conservative who does not support the death penalty... ?????
Wicked Jester
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Are you ******* kidding me?
This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.
So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.
I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc
Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.
Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.
Seriously, how can someone be so utterly stupid and ignorant?
Proof positive that our public education system is abjectly failing, was just provided by YOU!.
Unfuckingbelievable!
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Soggy in NOLA
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What, to point out the hypocrisy of supporting infanticide but not the killing of murderers?
And for the record, I don't support either.
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This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.
So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.
I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc
Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.
Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.
Wrong again. There is neural activity right up until birth. Go read a biology book or something.
Little-Acorn
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Just in case the OP was serious, I'll explain to him:
1.) Dispassionate criminal pursuit and prosecution is one of the functions that private people or groups CANNOT DO AT ALL, and so it must be delegated to government. It is one of the fundamental reasons government exists at all.
2.) In most (all?) states that issue the death penalty, it is called for, not by a govt official, but by a jury (that is, a group of private people) that has been approved by the defendant before the trial begins.
Is there anything else you need explained to you from Civics 101?
hortysir
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This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.
So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.
I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc
Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.
Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.
I don't suppose you have anything to support that claim, do ya?
We can wait
hortysir
In Memorial of 47
Ditto
OohPooPahDoo
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And you trust the Nanny State not to doctor DNA evidence? The average juror isn't a biologist or chemist. How would they know the difference?
DiamondDave
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You think a defense team in a death penalty case is not going to go over the DNA evidence witha fine toothed comb??
You show you are more of an idiot every time you post
Two Thumbs
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You ignorantly claimed that Cons are all for it, when clearly libs are all for it as well. ya know, the so called anti DP party. the people that are cool with cereal baby rapist going free, eventually.
Remodeling Maidiac
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Why is this thread still alive? The TC's op was debunked in the first couple of pages.
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People convicted for death were NOT convicted by government you ******* moron.
They were convicted by a jury of their peers.
Smilodonfatalis
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This is probably the dumbest argument ever when it comes to the abortion crew.
So a trip thru the birth canal is the difference?? Or is it traveling outside the uterus?? Even though the physiological stage, development, and condition of the child is EXACTLY the same... And god forbid we ever get to a point where a child can be developed outside the uterus for those people that are physically incapable of carrying a child. I guess those persons will never be alive, since they would have never been expelled from the uterus.
I personally, as the dad of a daughter who was a 27weeker, knows that the baby is alive well before the 38-40 week mark, the travel out of the uterus, etc
Yes, a baby is not alive until it exits the birth canal. There is no brain activity until it comes out.
Look at photos of fetal brains. They are smooth. A smooth brain is a brain that is not doing any thinking and is therefore not alive.
I don't suppose you have anything to support that claim, do ya?
We can wait
Photos of fetal brains that you easily find on google images.
You can make a case that beginning late in the 2nd trimester a fetus is equivalent to a human being. I don't agree with that, but you can at least make the case.
But to claim that a zygote is the equivalent of a human being is completely irrational.
Smilodonfatalis
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The overwhelming majority of conservatives favor the death penalty.
Liberals that support the death penalty are not being hypocritical because we believe in government.
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