The Cost of the Rioting

[Roadrunner]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

Well never have racial harmony in this county. We could deport everyone but white people and soon enough some whites would start hating other whites.


It's just the nature of humanity.

However, telling ignorant people to shut the **** up would go a long way towards improving things.

We have too many ignorant people who think the law doesn't apply to them and THAT is why so many end up dead . Unfortunately 200 or so of them a year are black.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

 

[Roadrunner]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

Oh, you mean all sports rioters are not white?

Even in Canuckistan?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

Oh, you mean all sports rioters are not white?

Even in Canuckistan?

Dummy they're only rioters if they are black, if they are white they are over zealous sports enthusiasts

 

[BULLDOG]

Rioting is wrong no matter who does it.

Posting an example of a white riot doesn't negate the wrongess of a black riot.

And NO ONE denied that whites riot, this thread as C_Clayton_Jones would say (except that unlike him, I'm right) is a strawman fallacy and a failure at that.

No it doesnt negate the wrongness of anything but I have to wonder where are the calls for white leaders to do something? Where is the musings of what their upbringing and lack of role models discussion? No one called them animals or anything....Weird huh?

Well, it would be weird if you thought those questions were about riots in the first place hehehe

Well, one difference is that you don't see a white Al Sharpton flying into town making excuses for those morons who burn a town to celebrate a hockey win.

You're right, White leaders didnt show up, werent outraged, didnt condemn it or anything. I think thats a bold move to say that doing nothing is a virtue....really

That's why people are screaming about "black leaders" Sharpton , Jackson etc etc , like it or not they are perceived to be black leaders, and they cause problems rather than solve problems.

No, actually they dont...MB was dead before they went, people were mad before they went, the news covered before they went.

You just waited until a black leader showed up (like always) to claim that the real problem is them and not the dead bodies piling up.

Pretty bold to step over a crime scene to yell at the people talking about the crime scene

The REAL problem is them friend.

All these people who are dead by cop? Maybe 10% of them are due to something other than their own stupidity.


SURELY you can at least admit that Brown shouldn't have fought with a cop as an example.

So you think cops should have the right to discriminate too?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

Oh, you mean all sports rioters are not white?

Even in Canuckistan?

Damn it, I forgot. Only white people sport riot. According to one of our posters in here, we're the ones perpetuating the riot culture.

 

[boedicca]

Well, one difference is that you don't see a white Al Sharpton flying into town making excuses for those morons who burn a town to celebrate a hockey win.

That's why people are screaming about "black leaders" Sharpton , Jackson etc etc , like it or not they are perceived to be black leaders, and they cause problems rather than solve problems.

White people dont need an Al Sharpton. They own the political and legal structure.

White people scream about supposed Black leaders because they are deflecting from the issues. Your presumption of "like it or not" is another manifestation of the white need to control the narrative. Doesnt work on me.

Damn, you are clueless.

Look at the areas where the looting occurred: controlled by Progressives for decades.

Look at the areas of white rioting. Controlled by Conservatives for centuries.

What white riots?

Read the thread. I have listed several instances.

Nonsense.

 

[ClosedCaption]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

You left out the number of whites shooting whites. I mean since you arent singling out one race and all that stuff

 

[Roadrunner]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

Oh, you mean all sports rioters are not white?

Even in Canuckistan?

Dummy they're only rioters if they are black, if they are white they are over zealous sports enthusiasts

Shoot a few hundred anyway.

America needs the Rod Of Correction.

 

[Roadrunner]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

You left out the number of whites shooting whites. I mean since you arent singling out one race and all that stuff

Nobody is rioting over whites shooting whites.

Happened here week before last, white cops shot white kids.

Did you hear about that?

Of course not.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

They would have to be white sports rioters or there would be a serious problem.

Oh, you mean all sports rioters are not white?

Even in Canuckistan?

Dummy they're only rioters if they are black, if they are white they are over zealous sports enthusiasts

Shoot a few hundred anyway.

America needs the Rod Of Correction.

I would have had the water cannons working over time in Ferguson, or at any other riot.

 

[BullKurtz]

Thats not fair. They were rioting for a very good reason. This shouldnt count.

They were rioting to STEAL things....that's it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

You left out the number of whites shooting whites. I mean since you arent singling out one race and all that stuff

Nobody is rioting over whites shooting whites.

I know...I'm wondering why the call is for blacks to do it if your own community wont either?

Happened here week before last, white cops shot white kids.

Did you hear about that?

Of course not.

Nope...looks like your community doesnt care about their own and want to encourge blacks to be the same way. Sorry

 

[Asclepias]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

You left out the number of whites shooting whites. I mean since you arent singling out one race and all that stuff

Nobody is rioting over whites shooting whites.

Happened here week before last, white cops shot white kids.

Did you hear about that?

Of course not.

Normally it proves the shooting had nothing to do with race when a white cop shoots a a white kid.

 

[Asclepias]

White people dont need an Al Sharpton. They own the political and legal structure.

White people scream about supposed Black leaders because they are deflecting from the issues. Your presumption of "like it or not" is another manifestation of the white need to control the narrative. Doesnt work on me.

Damn, you are clueless.

Look at the areas where the looting occurred: controlled by Progressives for decades.

Look at the areas of white rioting. Controlled by Conservatives for centuries.

What white riots?

Read the thread. I have listed several instances.

Nonsense.

Yes your reply is nonsense.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

You left out the number of whites shooting whites. I mean since you arent singling out one race and all that stuff

Nobody is rioting over whites shooting whites.

Happened here week before last, white cops shot white kids.

Did you hear about that?

Of course not.

Normally it proves the shooting had nothing to do with race when a white cop shoots a a white kid.

What if a black cop shoots a white guy? Or are you going to tell me that never happened before? Or how about when Or maybe an asian kills a black? I mean, we can do this all day but you only see things in neutrals.

 

[BullKurtz]

I'd still like to know why the NY Times hasn't been charged with reckless endangerment for printing Wilson's home address?

 

[Asclepias]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

Usually the Blacks shooting Blacks are not white cops. Those specific Blacks shooting other Blacks are criminals and everyone expects criminals to do illegal things.

Why dont whites riot about the white people shooting other white people?

 

[BULLDOG]

"That kind of comparison is really important because it's those attitudes that make state violence possible," Murch said. "White youth are allowed to be children and have a sense of protection no matter how they behave, while black youth are criminalized by justice system. They're not allowed to have childhoods."

Perceptions of behavior

Those perceptions extend to riots, too, which most people tend to associate with the black community, said Victoria W. Wolcott, director of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo-New York and author of "Race, Riots, and Roller Coasters: The Struggle Over Segregated Recreation in America."

"Race riots" tends to conjure memories of the Rodney King acquittal or 1967 Detroit, but those are anomalies, Wolcott said. Throughout history, white mobs have perpetrated the majority of racially motivated riots against the black community over integration in public and private life -- from the 1863 draft riots to the civil rights battles of the 1960s.

"It speaks to the notion that white violent behavior is not something talked about or stigmatized in the media or in mainstream society to extent that African-American rioting or looting behavior is," Wolcott said.

Pumpkin Fest was a dramatic version of that because of initial characterizations of crowd behavior as rowdy: vandalization of cars and streets signs, fighting police and setting fires in the streets. White people frequently get "rowdy" at sporting events or music festivals, but that behavior is not associated with the white community on the whole in the same way that instances of looting or vandalization tend to be associated with the black community, she said.

"White behavior gets normalized," she said. "In the African-American community, the long-term complaint is that the behavior of a small number of people stigmatizes the entire race or community. But you don't hear that same racialized language about small groups of white people that behave badly. They do not stigmatize the community in the same way."

Why Pumpkin Fest riots are not like Ferguson - CNN.com

Anyone who "normalizes" a riot is an idiot. Regardless of who is rioting.

I wonder if we could restore racial harmony in America by having the National Guard machine gun a few sports riots?

I'd go for that if it would stop the bitching.

Meanwhile, year after year, white cops shooting blacks, about 200 per year, blacks shooting blacks, about 7,000 per year.

Nothing new under the sun.

Considering that cops are given such power, and are hired "To Protect and Serve" don't you think it's a little unfair to compare killings by cops with killings by the general public on an equal basis? Are you saying the general population has the same responsibility to limit violence as police? Don't get me wrong, I don't support thugs, of any race, that wreck havoc on law abiding citizens, but there is a real difference between what should be expected of a cop compared to the general public. Don't you agree?