The Cost of Israel

[docmauser1]

"Barack Obama’s election was widely expected to usher in a more even-handed policy towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Which, when translated into a spoken language, means he was orgasmically expected to bomb Israel with bombs and palistanians - with sackloads of cash."if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world". He said that too. Heh.

Avi Shlaim

Oh. Shlaim. Cool. "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim. Do we hate Shlaim, yet?

Resolution 181 was never implemented. It gave nothing to anybody.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Which, when translated into a spoken language, means he was orgasmically expected to bomb Israel with bombs and palistanians - with sackloads of cash."if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world". He said that too. Heh.Oh. Shlaim. Cool. "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim. Do we hate Shlaim, yet?

Resolution 181 was never implemented. It gave nothing to anybody.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

UN Resolution 181 was a General Assembly resolution that was to be sent to the Security Council for approval and implementation. The Security Council never addressed the General Assembly recommendation.

Resolution 181 was stillborn. It means nothing.

 

[docmauser1]

Resolution 181 was never implemented. It gave nothing to anybody.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

UN Resolution 181 was a General Assembly resolution that was to be sent to the Security Council for approval and implementation. The Security Council never addressed the General Assembly recommendation. Resolution 181 was stillborn. It means nothing.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

UN Resolution 181 was a General Assembly resolution that was to be sent to the Security Council for approval and implementation. The Security Council never addressed the General Assembly recommendation. Resolution 181 was stillborn. It means nothing.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

What does Shlaim have to do with anything?

 

[docmauser1]

UN Resolution 181 was a General Assembly resolution that was to be sent to the Security Council for approval and implementation. The Security Council never addressed the General Assembly recommendation. Resolution 181 was stillborn. It means nothing.

Those, espousing this point of view should take it up with the individual, who brought Shlaim here in the first place. A good boxing bout would be nice.

What does Shlaim have to do with anything?

Everything. Heh.

 

[georgephillip]

The Cost of Boxing Beatings

"According to Save the Children, beatings of children and women are common.

"Rev. Are, citing the report in the Washington Post, writes: 'Save the Children concluded that one-third of beaten children were under ten years old, and one-fifth under the age of five. Nearly a third of the children beaten suffered broken bones.'”

Broken bones

CounterPunch

 

[docmauser1]

Cost of Boxing Beatings

Do we hate Avi Shlaim, yet?

 

[georgephillip]

Avi Shlaim

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Shlaim is especially well-known as a historian of the Arab-Israeli conflict. He is considered one of the leading New Historians,[1] a group of Israeli scholars who put forward critical interpretations of the history of Zionism and Israel.[2]"

 

[docmauser1]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

I thought the right to self determination was for the inhabitants not foreigners.

 

[docmauser1]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

I thought the right to self determination was for the inhabitants not foreigners.

Arab settlers and squatters like to "self-determinate" others, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

Do you believe any UNGA resolution passed by a large majority cannot be illegal?

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

Do you believe any UNGA resolution passed by a large majority cannot be illegal?

Some were saying that UNGA Resolution 181 would be in violation of the UN charter if the inhabitants did not approve. They didn't. It was never implemented.

 

[docmauser1]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

Do you believe any UNGA resolution passed by a large majority cannot be illegal?

I didn't bring Shlaim into all this in the first place, of course. And, of course, I agree - UN resolutions concerning Israel, are illegal garbage.

 

[georgephillip]

More Illegal Garbage

"In the London Sunday Times, June 19, 1977, Ralph Schoenman, executive director of the Bertrand Russell Foundation, wrote: 'Israeli interrogators routinely ill-treat and torture Arab prisoners.

"Prisoners are hooded or blindfolded and are hung by their wrists for long periods.

"Most are struck in the genitals or in other ways sexually abused. Most are sexually assaulted.

"Others are administered electric shock.”

"Amnesty International concluded that 'there is no country in the world in which the use of official and sustained torture is as well established and documented as in the case of Israel.'”

Paul Craig Roberts

 

[Ropey]

More Illegal Garbage

More propaganda from propaganda web sites. You really need to deal with your insane obsessiveness George.

Speaking only for myself, I think my obsession with Israel and Jews...

Obsession is an illness George​

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I believe so, Ropey. The Muslims who blindly submit to Allah are at least as ill as the Jews and Christians who follow the pitiless teachings of Moses without the slightest remorse for their victims.

I can't believe George admitted the Arabs are sometimes wrong.

 

[georgephillip]

I believe all slaves are often wrong.

Choice of religion sometimes alters their velocity but never their trajectory.

 

[Ropey]

And George?

You are a slave to your obsession.

So, you have indicted yourself.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

"Avi Shlaim (born October 31, 1945) is a British/Israeli historian. He is a professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford and a fellow of the British Academy.

Oh, Shlaim! "The Jews are a people and, like any other people, they have a natural right to national self-determination. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the moral case for a Jewish state became unassailable ... This was the background to the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 … an international charter of legitimacy for the Jewish state ... Arabs ... felt that the gift of Palestine to the Jews was illegal. However, a resolution passed by the UN General Assembly by a large majority cannot be illegal. It may be unjust but not illegal."
Benny Morris, quoting Shlaim.
Comeaawan, do we hate Shlaim (and Benny), yet?

I thought the right to self determination was for the inhabitants not foreigners.

Well, Mr. Tinmore, since you've never been there or experienced it, you don't know the feeling. Or maybe it's only Jews. Whenever I visit Israel, it's like a sensation of coming home. I've never felt like a "foreigner" there. Right now, I'm trying to work out my finances so I can move there one day.