The Constitution -- Merely A Guide?

[Procrustes Stretched]

DGS49

Consider the following: When Abraham Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address, he dated the founding of the country at 1776 (87 years before 1863) - NOT 1789, the date when the Constitution was ratified. September, 1789 is when the Federal Government was founded, but the birth of the nation (as opposed to the Government) was 1776.

For anyone wanting to understand the Constitution, it must be considered alongside the principles articulated in the DoI. Most poignantly, the Second Amendment is a curious provision until you consider the words of the DoI, to wit, "That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government..." Clearly, the right to keep and bear arms flows out of the right of citizens to abolish a government that forgets its rightful purpose and authority.

The right of the USSC to interpret laws and to determine finally their "constitutionality" is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but is a logical construct that has been accepted for a couple hundred years. But it was not until relatively recently that the Court had the temerity to begin reading nonsense into the interstices of the words themselves, and to create new "constitutional rights" that would have outraged the very people who crafted the words that the USSC cites.

The "freedom of speech" that was intended to prevent government from punishing people who criticized government and office holders, was used to void local censorship laws that had been around since the beginning of the nation.

Regulating "...commerce...among the several states..." became an umbrella that now permits the Federal government to force coal-fired power plants into premature obsolescence.

The right of the Federal Government to impose compulsory retirement and elderly health insurance programs was created out of thin air - in the process of "interpreting" the Constitution.

The expression, "settled law" is often used by Prog's to indicate that some legal and constitutional subjects are now beyond discussion and/or debate. But when the USSC makes up shit it can never be "settled law," and those of us who respect the Constitution as the founding document of a potentially great central government will continue, if you please, to hope that some future President will have the balls (or ovaries if you must) to appoint USSC justices who can READ and WRITE, and who are not so totally compromised as to buy into this mountain of "constitutional" bullshit which we are all suffering with at present.

The idea that the USSC should interpret laws and determine their "constitutionality" was not a NEW concept or legal construct. You should learn to read a broader range of history, than be spoon fed narrow selections that fit a preconceived narrative and conclusion

The idea that many of the founders would disagree with modern interpretations is plain nonsense as it is an impossibility to divine. As a matter of fact many of them thought we should not have to love by what they thought.

Stop claiming you 'respect' the Constitution and people who happen to disagree with your opinions somehow are disrespectful of the Constitution.

You my friend are the one making shit up

 

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VAgisilly go away

 

[Vigilante]

VAgisilly go away

Good Morning, the DandyLoin!

 

[AquaAthena]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

I see it as a guide in transition to demise, with it's ashes being placed in a museum for historical relics.

 

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Vigilante

VAgisilly go away

Good Morning, the DandyLoin!

Happy Independence Day you Friggin' Fruity Fruit Loop!

 

[Vigilante]

Vigilante

VAgisilly go away

Good Morning, the DandyLoin!

Happy Independence Day you Friggin' Fruity Fruit Loop!

Same to you Demented denizen of dozens of demons!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Vigilante

VAgisilly go away

Good Morning, the DandyLoin!

Happy Independence Day you Friggin' Fruity Fruit Loop!

Same to you Demented denizen of dozens of demons!

Go celebrate whatever the fuck is you supposedly believe in ... and stay safe

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

I see it as a guide in transition to demise, with it's ashes being placed in a museum for historical relics.

You're at liberty to 'see it' as you see fit, provided you understand your perception is ridiculous and wrong.

In addition to being untrue, your post is sophomoric hyperbole, completely unfounded and devoid of merit.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

I see it as a guide in transition to demise, with it's ashes being placed in a museum for historical relics.

You're at liberty to 'see it' as you see fit, provided you understand your perception is ridiculous and wrong.

In addition to being untrue, your post is sophomoric hyperbole, completely unfounded and devoid of merit.

its really very simple. Our uber conservative Founders gave us 3 branches of govt and a Bill of Rights because they feared govt above all else and saw it as the source of evil in human history.

Liberal are stupid and childlike, cant understand the founders, and so think of govt like a magical Santa Claus.

 

[regent]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

Liberals want us to think the Constitution is a guide toward communism when it is the exact opposite.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

pretty good

not sayin I agree exactly with what you've written, but you are on the road to enlightenment

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

pretty good.

I'm not sayin' I agree with it all, but this is the best I've seen here yet

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

pretty good.

I'm not sayin' I agree with it all, but this is the best I've seen here yet

if the dope who thinks Jefferson didn't found the Jeffersonian Republican Party thinks its the best its really the worst!!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Has the Constitution become merely a guide, and not the law of our founding principles? What about The Bill of Rights? Have we made detours around the Constitution in order to better serve this nation and her citizens? Have we allowed the Constitution to be interpreted, in order to make adjustments based on current events and changing times? Have we altered the intent of the Constitution, in order to accommodate a select group, or a self-serving cause?

Considerations have been given to gun control, restrictive lawful assembly, restrictive prayer and religious applications, discrimination based on appearance, search and seizure authority, restrictive free speech, the legal invasion of privacy, tax collection and distribution of taxes, restrictive displaying of the American flag, the lack of government transparency, abusive use of eminent domain, and executive power.

EXAMPLES:
Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/u...lk-collection-of-phone-data.html?ref=politics

Republicans Resist Obama’s Move to Dismantle Apparatus of Deportation -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/secure-communities-immigration-program-battle.html?ref=us
The program, which generated the majority of the 2.3 million deportations under the Obama administration, is at the center of the battle between the president and Republicans over his executive actions to transform the deportation system.


Your Thoughts ?

Look at it this way.

The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country. It explains why we chose to go this route and gives the reasons (I think there are 23 of them, though I haven't thought about it in a while and would have to go look) why we decided to chase this dream.

The Constitution itself is the framework of our government. It lays out authorities of each branch of government, and provides restrictions on what powers the government can exercise.

The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections for the citizenry against an abusive government, and corrects some deficiencies in how government is permitted to act along with some provided extra restrictions on government abusing the rights of ALL individuals.

That people are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land is a form of proof and vindication for why government was restricted as it was. We are beginning to see the effects of an unfettered government.

And it isn't pretty.

Error report:

"The Declaration of Independence is the mission statement of the country"

The Declaration of Independence was an answer to the world as to why the Colonists believed right was on their side. There was no "route" to go listed in the declaration. It says nothing about forming a government.

"The Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments, all provide additional protections"

Many of the framers thought a bill of rights unnecessary. Others insisted some of the rights everyone agreed upon be listed/enumerated. Nothing additional.

You appear a bit confused. First you say it's the people who "are beginning to ignore the highest law of the land" and then you say it's the government. What's next, them damn governments by and of the people?

We had already voted independence two days earlier, and the Declaration of Independence was now a form of propaganda asking for help. We needed help from the two thirds of the colonists that were not supporting the revolution and also help from foreign powers mainly France. The Declaration of Independence used the latest ideas from Age of Enlightenment, and the usual tyranny stuff as part of the requests for help.

pretty good.

I'm not sayin' I agree with it all, but this is the best I've seen here yet

if the dope who thinks Jefferson didn't found the Jeffersonian Republican Party thinks its the best its really the worst!!

The next segment of the Dante Program is brought to you by Special Ed. Special Ed, when a wasted mind is a terrible thing

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Hey SpecEd, have you read any of the books on the reading list yet? You know, the ones that explain how the Democratic-Republican party was formed and how?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Hey SpecEd, have you read any of the books on the reading list yet? You know, the ones that explain how the Democratic-Republican party was formed and how?

if the dope who thinks Jefferson didn't found the Jeffersonian Republican Party thinks its the best its really the worst!! Why Dante so afraid to tell us who really founded the party?? What does his fear teach us?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

SpecEd belongs in federal prison on hijacking and stalking charges

 

[G.T.]

Sonny no law prevents the flying of the american flag.