The consequences of hard Right-wing evil are destroying the world

[Andylusion]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

LOL. Noam Chomsky. Yeah, Brazil was so much better under their former Marxist administration with their sky high crime rate and massive unemployment.

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

I don't need Chomsky to understand South American politics. The U.S. taught me all I needed to know about that, which is why this thread is so important. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

All garbage. Do you want me to dissect each one of those boogus claims, or would you like to just admit now, that you are parroting what someone told you without researching it yourself?

 

[Andylusion]

Lol! You are an idiot minus any debatable argument.

Says someone who posted Chomsky, a linguist, as an authority on politics, after proclaiming Chavez who destroyed his country... to be a close friend.

Before you claim others have no debatable argument, you need to have one yourself. You don't.

 

[Andylusion]

Ed Shultz being angry is not a substitute argument for accurate facts presented to us compliments of The Center for Tax policy. Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income. Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers, when you factor in an almost 300% higher income rate going to the 1%.

Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income.

Why don't you cut and paste the facts that disprove my higher after tax income.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers,

You already admitted that tax cuts don't make things more expensive.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

 

[BWK]

Naturally things go up when con artists like Trump and his tax cut pretend to be giving us something.

Since he didn't stop pretending to be giving us something and gas prices are now lower than under Obama, they must have nothing to do with the tax cuts.

So I prefer to have more after tax income, whether gas prices are higher or lower.

Ed Schultz was an angry idiot.

Ed Shultz being angry is not a substitute argument for accurate facts presented to us compliments of The Center for Tax policy. Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income. Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers, when you factor in an almost 300% higher income rate going to the 1%.

Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income.

Why don't you cut and paste the facts that disprove my higher after tax income.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers,

You already admitted that tax cuts don't make things more expensive.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

 

[BWK]

Lol! You are an idiot minus any debatable argument.

Says someone who posted Chomsky, a linguist, as an authority on politics, after proclaiming Chavez who destroyed his country... to be a close friend.

Before you claim others have no debatable argument, you need to have one yourself. You don't.

The U.S. placed sanctions on that country because Chavez didn't do what we asked. Do you have an argument contrary to that? I didn't think so. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

 

[BWK]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

LOL. Noam Chomsky. Yeah, Brazil was so much better under their former Marxist administration with their sky high crime rate and massive unemployment.

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

I don't need Chomsky to understand South American politics. The U.S. taught me all I needed to know about that, which is why this thread is so important. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

All garbage. Do you want me to dissect each one of those boogus claims, or would you like to just admit now, that you are parroting what someone told you without researching it yourself?

Why are you asking? You don't need my permission. Lol! If it's all garbage and bogus, show us, Don't type shit about it. You make yourself out to be a liar when you don't.

 

[Andylusion]

Ed Shultz being angry is not a substitute argument for accurate facts presented to us compliments of The Center for Tax policy. Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income. Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers, when you factor in an almost 300% higher income rate going to the 1%.

Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income.

Why don't you cut and paste the facts that disprove my higher after tax income.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers,

You already admitted that tax cuts don't make things more expensive.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

That makes no sense whatsoever. My take home pay, is higher, after a tax cut. I know this because my take home pay, was in fact, higher after the tax cut.

If the cost of my goods and services go up.... it would go up, with, or without, an income tax cut.

So my cost of living goes up.... my pay stays the same... without a tax cut.
Or my cost of living goes up.... and my pay increase.... with a tax cut.

Which am I better off with? Higher cost of living, with more money in my pay check? Or higher cost of living, with the same amount of money in my pay check?

Obviously I'm going to be better off with more money in my paycheck.

Saying otherwise, is insanity.

 

[BWK]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

What does Chavez have to do with this thread? This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons? The thread is about how the rain forest and how it produces most of the oxygen for the planet. Do you have scientific data to the contrary. I don't think attacking Chomsky is going to help you debate that argument, do you? This is about the radical right destroying the world by way of eliminating resources crucial to our survival, and how we got here in the first place. And all you can do is attack the messenger? Lol! If the smartest guy on the planet is wrong, then prove him wrong. Beyond that and your rants, he's already made you into an idiot.

 

[BWK]

I already did that through the vulture chart.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

That makes no sense whatsoever. My take home pay, is higher, after a tax cut. I know this because my take home pay, was in fact, higher after the tax cut.

If the cost of my goods and services go up.... it would go up, with, or without, an income tax cut.

So my cost of living goes up.... my pay stays the same... without a tax cut.
Or my cost of living goes up.... and my pay increase.... with a tax cut.

Which am I better off with? Higher cost of living, with more money in my pay check? Or higher cost of living, with the same amount of money in my pay check?

Obviously I'm going to be better off with more money in my paycheck.

Saying otherwise, is insanity.

And if the same thing happens every year, you are still making the same thing from year to year. Meaning the tax cut has no meaning as I said. It makes perfect sense. The vulture chart proves I am right. The vulture chart shows how Republicans have pushed tax cuts for forty years, and yet, the graph shows a flat wage for the 99%. You've been duped into thinking you're making extra. If the higher cost of living goes up every year, which it generally does, what extra did you get with that extra money you get from a tax cut? You get nothing. People, this isn't hat hard.

 

[BWK]

I already did that through the vulture chart.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

That makes no sense whatsoever. My take home pay, is higher, after a tax cut. I know this because my take home pay, was in fact, higher after the tax cut.

If the cost of my goods and services go up.... it would go up, with, or without, an income tax cut.

So my cost of living goes up.... my pay stays the same... without a tax cut.
Or my cost of living goes up.... and my pay increase.... with a tax cut.

Which am I better off with? Higher cost of living, with more money in my pay check? Or higher cost of living, with the same amount of money in my pay check?

Obviously I'm going to be better off with more money in my paycheck.

Saying otherwise, is insanity.

Don't you understand that corporate America knows you got a tax cut? Lol! They know that because they get one themselves. Aren't you aware that they take advantage of that whenever they can? The Vulture chart back in 09 showed a 270% increase in wage for the 1%. It shows a flat wage for the 99%. And that was a forty year trend, What is it about that graph do you not understand? What makes you think you're getting more? You do know that the graph takes into account any increase in your pay because of a tax cut right? And yet, the wage is still flat. How hard is that to understand? the vulture chart - Google Search

 

[Claudette]

OMG ROTFLMFAO

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ed Shultz being angry is not a substitute argument for accurate facts presented to us compliments of The Center for Tax policy. Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income. Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers, when you factor in an almost 300% higher income rate going to the 1%.

Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income.

Why don't you cut and paste the facts that disprove my higher after tax income.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers,

You already admitted that tax cuts don't make things more expensive.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

And one last thing, stop tripping over your own lies. You suggested I said prices go up because of the tax cuts. Have you noticed in all your quoting, you never quoted me saying that? You make shit up there chief. You aren't that smart as to think folks don't notice how you quote one thing, but cherry pick others implying someone said it when they didn't. I've been on to that game of yours from the beginning. You can stop now. I'm too familiar with that game.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get?

Can you pay for increased prices easier with the old, higher tax rates or with the new, lower tax rates?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ed Shultz being angry is not a substitute argument for accurate facts presented to us compliments of The Center for Tax policy. Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income. Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers, when you factor in an almost 300% higher income rate going to the 1%.

Which destroys your fantasy argument about having more after tax income.

Why don't you cut and paste the facts that disprove my higher after tax income.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers,

You already admitted that tax cuts don't make things more expensive.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart.

You need a chart without such a crappy scale to better prove your point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

What does Chavez have to do with this thread? This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons? The thread is about how the rain forest and how it produces most of the oxygen for the planet. Do you have scientific data to the contrary. I don't think attacking Chomsky is going to help you debate that argument, do you? This is about the radical right destroying the world by way of eliminating resources crucial to our survival, and how we got here in the first place. And all you can do is attack the messenger? Lol! If the smartest guy on the planet is wrong, then prove him wrong. Beyond that and your rants, he's already made you into an idiot.

This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons?

Commies never damaged the environment when they're in power, eh comrade?

 

[Andylusion]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

LOL. Noam Chomsky. Yeah, Brazil was so much better under their former Marxist administration with their sky high crime rate and massive unemployment.

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

I don't need Chomsky to understand South American politics. The U.S. taught me all I needed to know about that, which is why this thread is so important. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

All garbage. Do you want me to dissect each one of those boogus claims, or would you like to just admit now, that you are parroting what someone told you without researching it yourself?

Why are you asking? You don't need my permission. Lol! If it's all garbage and bogus, show us, Don't type shit about it. You make yourself out to be a liar when you don't.

You post lies, and then claim I'm a liar without providing real evidence other than your web site of lies.

Sorry. We were not involved in Chili. That's a fact. The CIA themselves said the coup was already in progress without their intervention.

Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, openly slaughtered his opponents, and exiled the rest. The attempted coup that never violently overthrew the government, but nevertheless caused Arbenz to resign, was made up primarily of people exiled by his regime. However, I am not surprised you support his rule.

Guyana. The Brits did this more than the US.

Ecuador, I agree. Should not have been involved in the early 60s.

Brazil while I do not support what involvement we had, it wasn't nearly as large as the left-wing makes it out. Maybe you missed it, but they already have revolts prior to US involvement. I highly doubt the US had much more impact, than encouraging what was already there.

Dominican Republic, I love this one. You got to love it when the basis for their accusations are "U.S. allowed". Notice we did not create the coup, nor support it, nor cause it..... no no... we allowed it. Implication, we are terrible if we intervene, and we are terrible if we don't. We should have stopped the coup. Then when we have wide spread civil war on our hands, with a half dozen factions militarizing for a mass slaughter, we send troops to quell the violence, and engage in open elections. Then we leave.

I suppose the left would have been more supportive if we had either killed all the right-wing groups, or simply allowed mass slaughter.

Uruguay, garbage. No evidence whatsoever.

Chile, garbage. CIA's own information indicated that a coup was already in progress before they got involved. Hence, they didn't get involved.

Bolivia, garbage. Bolivia's governmental system has been weak, long before the US helped train their armed forces. They changed government control, more than the average man changes his underwear.

Argentina, really? “We would like you to succeed,” said Kissinger. That's it? That's the big evil the US caused in Argentina? He said the magical words "we would like you to succeed" and just with powers beyond human comprehension, destroyed an entire country....? Is that your claim? Garbage.

Nicaragua, the Soviets were involved, and so were we. Funny how the left has no problem with the soviets spreading death and destruction, but screams when we counter them. I support our action there.

Honduras, garbage. We supported the Contras before and after the Iran action. No, they were not a colony. That's made up nonsense.

Grenada, the irony here is that after declaring independence from the UK, the Marxist-Leninists put Maurice Bishop in power. He was murdered, along with several others, including union leaders (which you leftist usually are fond of), by a military junta. The US was called and appealed to for help. We helped. Today in Grenada, they still celebrate the US involved in an official Thanksgiving day. I support this action.

El Salvador, I'm having a hard time validating anything claimed there. The only deaths I was able to find evidence of, involved a mission to determine if human rights abuses were taking place. So I don't have enough real evidence to say either way. Which of course doesn't stop the no-evidence-needed left-wingers on this forum.

Haiti, again no evidence. He said, she said.... is not evidence. Maybe it is true, but it wouldn't make sense, which doesn't mean it isn't true... but unlike a left-winger, being an intelligent right-winger, need evidence.

Panama, this guy was trash and needed removed. We were good and right to do so.

Venezuela, whatever we did there, has zero impact. Unless you want to claim the endless list of left-wing policies, was our goal.

The point however, is that you can not claim that the wide spread failure of left-wing ideology throughout all of South America, can all be attributed to a CIA funded radio station, is nonsense.

Whatever power the US used to influence various south American countries, had limited effect. If we really did have such a large influence, why does Haiti have such lousy property rights, a fundamental of Capitalism? Why is Venezuela experiencing nation wide blackouts, in a country with the most oil in the world, because they have placed their energy needs almost exclusively on renewable power? Why is Bolivia starting to nationalize industry? I thought we had them under our power?

See, you can say we did 'thus and so', and even if we assume you are right... it changes nothing. South American socialism is failing. Always has. Always will. My point remains the same.

The move to the right-wing, is because your system does not work.

 

[BWK]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

LOL. Noam Chomsky. Yeah, Brazil was so much better under their former Marxist administration with their sky high crime rate and massive unemployment.

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

I don't need Chomsky to understand South American politics. The U.S. taught me all I needed to know about that, which is why this thread is so important. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

All garbage. Do you want me to dissect each one of those boogus claims, or would you like to just admit now, that you are parroting what someone told you without researching it yourself?

Why are you asking? You don't need my permission. Lol! If it's all garbage and bogus, show us, Don't type shit about it. You make yourself out to be a liar when you don't.

You post lies, and then claim I'm a liar without providing real evidence other than your web site of lies.

Sorry. We were not involved in Chili. That's a fact. The CIA themselves said the coup was already in progress without their intervention.

Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, openly slaughtered his opponents, and exiled the rest. The attempted coup that never violently overthrew the government, but nevertheless caused Arbenz to resign, was made up primarily of people exiled by his regime. However, I am not surprised you support his rule.

Guyana. The Brits did this more than the US.

Ecuador, I agree. Should not have been involved in the early 60s.

Brazil while I do not support what involvement we had, it wasn't nearly as large as the left-wing makes it out. Maybe you missed it, but they already have revolts prior to US involvement. I highly doubt the US had much more impact, than encouraging what was already there.

Dominican Republic, I love this one. You got to love it when the basis for their accusations are "U.S. allowed". Notice we did not create the coup, nor support it, nor cause it..... no no... we allowed it. Implication, we are terrible if we intervene, and we are terrible if we don't. We should have stopped the coup. Then when we have wide spread civil war on our hands, with a half dozen factions militarizing for a mass slaughter, we send troops to quell the violence, and engage in open elections. Then we leave.

I suppose the left would have been more supportive if we had either killed all the right-wing groups, or simply allowed mass slaughter.

Uruguay, garbage. No evidence whatsoever.

Chile, garbage. CIA's own information indicated that a coup was already in progress before they got involved. Hence, they didn't get involved.

Bolivia, garbage. Bolivia's governmental system has been weak, long before the US helped train their armed forces. They changed government control, more than the average man changes his underwear.

Argentina, really? “We would like you to succeed,” said Kissinger. That's it? That's the big evil the US caused in Argentina? He said the magical words "we would like you to succeed" and just with powers beyond human comprehension, destroyed an entire country....? Is that your claim? Garbage.

Nicaragua, the Soviets were involved, and so were we. Funny how the left has no problem with the soviets spreading death and destruction, but screams when we counter them. I support our action there.

Honduras, garbage. We supported the Contras before and after the Iran action. No, they were not a colony. That's made up nonsense.

Grenada, the irony here is that after declaring independence from the UK, the Marxist-Leninists put Maurice Bishop in power. He was murdered, along with several others, including union leaders (which you leftist usually are fond of), by a military junta. The US was called and appealed to for help. We helped. Today in Grenada, they still celebrate the US involved in an official Thanksgiving day. I support this action.

El Salvador, I'm having a hard time validating anything claimed there. The only deaths I was able to find evidence of, involved a mission to determine if human rights abuses were taking place. So I don't have enough real evidence to say either way. Which of course doesn't stop the no-evidence-needed left-wingers on this forum.

Haiti, again no evidence. He said, she said.... is not evidence. Maybe it is true, but it wouldn't make sense, which doesn't mean it isn't true... but unlike a left-winger, being an intelligent right-winger, need evidence.

Panama, this guy was trash and needed removed. We were good and right to do so.

Venezuela, whatever we did there, has zero impact. Unless you want to claim the endless list of left-wing policies, was our goal.

The point however, is that you can not claim that the wide spread failure of left-wing ideology throughout all of South America, can all be attributed to a CIA funded radio station, is nonsense.

Whatever power the US used to influence various south American countries, had limited effect. If we really did have such a large influence, why does Haiti have such lousy property rights, a fundamental of Capitalism? Why is Venezuela experiencing nation wide blackouts, in a country with the most oil in the world, because they have placed their energy needs almost exclusively on renewable power? Why is Bolivia starting to nationalize industry? I thought we had them under our power?

See, you can say we did 'thus and so', and even if we assume you are right... it changes nothing. South American socialism is failing. Always has. Always will. My point remains the same.

The move to the right-wing, is because your system does not work.

I hate to waste my time with uninformed idiots such as yourself, so I won't. I'll just show you where you are wrong and prove you are an ignorant imbecile. You said we had nothing to do with the coupe in Chile, that you spelled wrong. Enjoy;
Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

And everything else you argue about is garbage, lies, and no evidence. Lol! And yet, you have debunked none of it with your ignorant rants.

 

[BWK]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

What does Chavez have to do with this thread? This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons? The thread is about how the rain forest and how it produces most of the oxygen for the planet. Do you have scientific data to the contrary. I don't think attacking Chomsky is going to help you debate that argument, do you? This is about the radical right destroying the world by way of eliminating resources crucial to our survival, and how we got here in the first place. And all you can do is attack the messenger? Lol! If the smartest guy on the planet is wrong, then prove him wrong. Beyond that and your rants, he's already made you into an idiot.

This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons?

Commies never damaged the environment when they're in power, eh comrade?

It's still there isn't it? And, other than Cuba, there are no communist countries in this part of the world. You're a liar as always.

 

[BWK]

I already did that through the vulture chart.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

Tax hikes cause prices to raise. I never saw where he said anything but that.

Tax cuts cause prices to decline. I never saw where said anything but that.

Based on a higher prices for goods and services and flat wages, tax cuts have zero meaning for consumers

You said this, correct? That is insane. Since the prices of goods and services are in no way connected to my payroll taxes, me having more of the money I rightfully earned, will always have "meaning" to me a consumer.

Why would you think otherwise?

It is very much connected, because wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart. What good is a tax cut when wages stay flat, and goods and services go up? The end result is that the consumer went no where. Simple math can figure that out for us. There is nothing insane about that logic. It's just simple logic and math.

wages have been flat for the last forty years, as evidenced by the Vulture chart.

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You need a chart without such a crappy scale to better prove your point.

It did a good job of drowning any kind of counter argument you thought you were going to have now didn't it?

 

[BWK]

I already did that through the vulture chart.

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

I already did that through the vulture chart.

The vulture chart proved I didn't get higher after tax income? How do you figure that?

I admitted that tax cuts are of no consequential benefit to me because of the increased prices on goods and services.

You failed to prove the claim that tax cuts cause prices to rise.

That's because they don't. A tax increase causes prices to rise.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get? You're back to where you were right? Your questions are nonsensical as always.

I never said tax cuts cause prices to go up. You did. I said, when prices of goods and services go up, the tax cut is of no consequence to me. Prices for goods and services may go up as a result of a tax cut because companies and businesses recognize the tax income increase. I wouldn't know. That's up to them.I was just stating a fact that happened this time with the so called higher income tax benefit. Personally I never got an added tax income benefit last year.

And by the way, this isn't what my thread is about. Why don't you start one?

And one last thing, stop tripping over your own lies. You suggested I said prices go up because of the tax cuts. Have you noticed in all your quoting, you never quoted me saying that? You make shit up there chief. You aren't that smart as to think folks don't notice how you quote one thing, but cherry pick others implying someone said it when they didn't. I've been on to that game of yours from the beginning. You can stop now. I'm too familiar with that game.

If prices go up, what higher after tax income did you get?

Can you pay for increased prices easier with the old, higher tax rates or with the new, lower tax rates?

Start a thread. Your question is elementary logic by the way.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A Disaster for Brazil: Noam Chomsky on Brazil’s New Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro | Democracy Now!

Back in the seventies, the CIA, Nixon, and Henry Kissinger overthrew the people's government of Chile, caused the death of their president Allende and installed a military dictator Pinochet. Then began the systematic raping of the resources there that once belonged to the people. We ruined the economy and destroyed pensions. That disaster lives on today. The hundreds of thousands of people working in their sixties, seventies, and eighties, is staggering. This is the result of right-wing fanaticism, greed, and evil.

Fast forward to today and Brazil, and we are seeing the same thing happen. Now Brazil has a president who wants a military takeover, a systematic agri-business takeover of the Amazon forest, where the most diverse ecosystem on the planet exists, producing the largest amount of oxygen the planet can give us, all at the expense of exploitation, greed, and money for the few.

This is what radical right-wing evil is all about. It's an attempt to literally destroy the world. There isn't a scientist out there that wouldn't tell you that because of the massive trees in the Amazon, those trees transpire most of the oxygen we breath on the planet.

And who is supporting this military dictatorship to take away the richest resource on the planet that we depend upon to sustain life? You guessed it, we are. More specifically the likes of John Bolton and Donald Trump, and American special interests.

This move by Brazil, with there new radical president, Trump, Bolton,and other interest groups is a declaration of war against every form of life on the planet. How do we get it back? First, we need to get rid of Trump, Bolton, and the radical right from our own country who want military bases in Brazil to protect this mother load of natural resources that is a target of exploitation. This conceivably could amount to being the largest threat to the health of the world we have ever seen. And we are backing the move 100%. Put that in your sock and smell the evil coming from that for a minute. And in case you forgot what I said early on in my thread about diversity, the Amazon has the most diverse animal and plant life on the planet. Are we ready to surrender the world and those treasures to a few special interest right wing pigs, who only care about themselves and their short term enrichment? I don't think so.

Noam Chomsky is an idiot. He's a brilliant linguist, and if you need advice on the study of languages, by all means read everything he has on the topic.

But as far as politics, Noam Chomsky is a complete and utter moron.

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Noam Chomsky supported Hugo Chavez, and openly said he was a close friend.

Chavez destroyed his entire country, openly support militia groups operating in the country, destroyed freedom of speech, and resulted in a Venezuela with the most known oil reserves in the entire world... more than Saudi Arabia... into a third world nightmare, where people are eating pets to survive.

Chomsky..... is an idiot.

Do not base any of your views, on Chomsky. If there is anyone lacking credibility in talking about south American politics, it would be Chomsky.

What does Chavez have to do with this thread? This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons? The thread is about how the rain forest and how it produces most of the oxygen for the planet. Do you have scientific data to the contrary. I don't think attacking Chomsky is going to help you debate that argument, do you? This is about the radical right destroying the world by way of eliminating resources crucial to our survival, and how we got here in the first place. And all you can do is attack the messenger? Lol! If the smartest guy on the planet is wrong, then prove him wrong. Beyond that and your rants, he's already made you into an idiot.

This is about Brazil and their new dictator president who wants to burn off the rain forest for commercial reasons?

Commies never damaged the environment when they're in power, eh comrade?

It's still there isn't it? And, other than Cuba, there are no communist countries in this part of the world. You're a liar as always.

It's still there isn't it?

Yes, Commie damage is still there.