The Coming Civil War - David Betz

[Bitterhook]

What if its those evil libtard governors and such sending the National Guard and military after you ala Post #130.

They should call the sheriff's department before attempting to apprehend, and it is possible a serious conflict may not occur.

 

[marvin martian]

Lefty "journalists" are encouraging people to murder fraud investigators in Minnesota:

 

[Zincwarrior]

They should call the sheriff's department before attempting to apprehend, and it is possible a serious conflict may not occur.

But if its a civil war they would just come in and carry you off to centralized facilities for interrogation wouldn't they? Thats what occurred in most civil wars. Or else the government soldiers come in, burn down the town, kill all the inhabitants, etc. etc.

Inversely the guerrillas would come in and do the same thing, yes.

 

[struth]

But if its a civil war they would just come in and carry you off to centralized facilities for interrogation wouldn't they? Thats what occurred in most civil wars. Or else the government soldiers come in, burn down the town, kill all the inhabitants, etc. etc.

Inversely the guerrillas would come in and do the same thing, yes.

Interesting., that didn’t happen here when you party revoked against our democracy

I think it’s cause the gop was in charge and it wasn’t

 

[Zincwarrior]

Interesting., that didn’t happen here when you party revoked against our democracy

I think it’s cause the gop was in charge and it wasn’t

We're talking civil war. Think more Syria, Iraq, Argentina, and less Hank Williams and "Country Boy Can Survive."

 

[Bitterhook]

But if its a civil war they would just come in and carry you off to centralized facilities for interrogation wouldn't they? Thats what occurred in most civil wars. Or else the government soldiers come in, burn down the town, kill all the inhabitants, etc. etc.

They can try and if they carry me off, it won't be much farther than a hole in the ground or a crematorium.
I mean everyone has a choice, and assuming you know how every soldier will react would be a terrible mistake.
However, I would rather they didn't try, and I am not planning on starting shit with them.

There's only been one Civil War where Americans were the primary combatants, and it lasted quite a long time even though the two capitals were only 120 miles apart. But then again, that part of it had nothing to do with slavery or preserving the Union.

 

[struth]

We're talking civil war. Think more Syria, Iraq, Argentina, and less Hank Williams and "Country Boy Can Survive."

You dont think we had a civil war? Wow

How disrespectful and a clear misunderstanding of why and what a civil war is

Those counties had revolutions, like we did. Comparing those revolts to your party fighting to keep slaves and oppress people aren’t the same

 

[Failzero]

We're talking civil war. Think more Syria, Iraq, Argentina, and less Hank Williams and "Country Boy Can Survive."

I think The Balkan Conflicts circa 1990s

 

[Zincwarrior]

They can try and if they carry me off, it won't be much further than a hole in the ground or a crematorium.

Yes that would be the point. Plus all your relatives, friends, and maybe everyone in the town you live.

I mean everyone has a choice, and assuming you know how every soldier will react would be a terrible mistake.

This is true. Thats why they have soldiers run the major sweeps, guard stuff, etc., but they have their special interior forces perform the nasty stuff. That depends of course.

There's only been one Civil War where Americans were the primary combatants, and it lasted quite a long time even though the two capitals were only 120 miles apart. But then again, that part of it had nothing to do with slavery or preserving the Union.

That was state vs. state. Now the army would obliterate each state. Imagine Sherman with B52s and chemical weapons and the US version of the KGB?

But more normal is the government vs. antigovernment forces - which may be one group but often multiple groups. Even in our history its more likely. The Revolution in the south were warring parties - Loyaltists vs. revolutionaries - kgoing from home to home killing each. Other examples are Bleeding Kansas pre ACW, and of course Missouri and Kansas and parts of West Virginia during the ACW.

When cogitating a real civil war, this is what we would face.

 

[d0gbreath]

Why are reactionary Right wingers constantly going on about civil war???????

They think that that will put us under their thumb. Of course, we'll all order MAGA hats from Amazon. Befuddled would be putting it lightly.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I think The Balkan Conflicts circa 1990s

Yes. Remember the fun parts of that - mass rapes, mass murder? Now lets look at recent ones, again Syria, Libya, Sudan and potentially Mexico currently. Or it could be rural - Shining Path, Cambodia, Vietnam.

You dont think we had a civil war? Wow

Is English your second language?

 

[Bitterhook]

That was state vs. state. Now the army would obliterate each state. Imagine Sherman with B52s and chemical weapons and the US version of the KGB?

You are assuming the B52 pilot and crew don't drop the bombs on the asshats who told them to kill their fellow citizens.

Read the previous statement where I indicated it would be foolish to make the assumption they wouldn't, because you don't know what a solider will do. Times have changed since the Civil War when 90% or more of the on-ground combatants weren't highly educated or well informed.

 

[Failzero]

You are assuming the B52 pilot and crew don't drop the bombs on the asshats who told them to kill their fellow citizens.

Read the previous statement where I indicated it would be foolish to make the assumption they wouldn't, because you don't know what a solider will do. Times have changed since the Civil War when 90% or more of the on-ground combatants weren't highly educated or well informed.

The Families and Neighbors of the Pilots and Tank Commanders who cause mass casualties in belligerent Civilian Populations would be fair Game in a real civil war

 

[Zincwarrior]

You are assuming the B52 pilot and crew don't drop the bombs on the asshats who told them to kill their fellow citizens.

They didn't in Vietnam. Iraqi government troops firebombed and nerve gassed shiites. Government troops had no problem slaughtering each other in between Serbia, Herzegovinian, Kosova.
Government troops had no problem slaughtering civilians and guerillas in Syria, Peru, Columbia, Cuba, Mexico.
Hutus slaughtered Tutsis with machetes.

Read the previous statement where I indicated it would be foolish to make the assumption they wouldn't, because you don't know what a solider will do. Times have changed since the Civil War when 90% or more of the on-ground combatants weren't highly educated or well informed.

Yes times have changed. People dreaming about civil war seem to gloss over that.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Families and Neighbors of the Pilots and Tank Commanders who cause mass casualties in belligerent Civilian Populations would be fair Game in a real civil war

Yep. And fair game if they didn't follow orders.
Or just reduce it. Imagine a thousand Ruby Ridges a year.

This is why most normal people don't think about it. Its too Horrible to think about it.

 

[Failzero]

They didn't in Vietnam. Iraqi government troops firebombed and nerve gassed shiites. Government troops had no problem slaughtering each other in between Serbia, Herzegovinian, Kosova.
Government troops had no problem slaughtering civilians and guerillas in Syria, Peru, Columbia, Cuba, Mexico.
Hutus slaughtered Tutsis with machetes.


Yes times have changed. People dreaming about civil war seem to gloss over that.

In America LEOs & MIL / NG are outnumbered 40 to 1 + By potentially Armed & Trained Americans

 

[Zincwarrior]

In America LEOs & MIL / NG are outnumbered 40 to 1 + By potentially Armed & Trained Americans

Half of those Americans would be pro LEOs and MIL. You were before I brought it up. 95% just want to live and not be involved.
Thats until the evil internal agencies start rounding the dissidents up of course (for example all of us posting on this board), and call in the military to take out any resistance.

Again thats why most people don't think about this in First World countries. Its too horrible to contemplate.

 

[Bitterhook]

They didn't in Vietnam. Iraqi government troops firebombed and nerve gassed shiites. Government troops had no problem slaughtering each other in between Serbia, Herzegovinian, Kosova.
Government troops had no problem slaughtering civilians and guerillas in Syria, Peru, Columbia, Cuba, Mexico.
Hutus slaughtered Tutsis with machetes.


Yes times have changed. People dreaming about civil war seem to gloss over that.

This is America which is not Vietnam, Serbia, Uganda, or even Iraq.
You dreaming you have a clue how things would be here would be a mistake, as I have already mentioned.

They could tell the commander of the Second Armored Division to suit up, tank up and roll on Houston, and the commander could talk to his troops, load up the tanks and say, "I don't think so Tim, and we're rolling on you motherfuckers."

You are assuming that federal lines will hold in a civil war, which means you don't know what a civil war is.
It doesn't necessarily mean a military operation on civilian combatants, and the military combatants may freely choose what side they are going to fight on in a civil war, and they might just bring everything on base with them.

Weren't there just a bunch of Democrats talking about unlawful orders, and a soldier's oath to the US Constitution.
Perhaps they made a hasty and somewhat unfortunate mistake of thinking the soldiers would think the Democrats were on the correct side of the US Constitution.

 

[el midgetron]

The reason the leftists are in denial is because of their programming. The MSM isn’t going to frame a political conflict as a “civil war”. It will be the same routine of denying any left-wing violence and making it all out to be right-wing fascist terrorism. It’s the same way we went through a year of “mostly peaceful” political violence that left over a billion in damage and 30 murdered people and then without missing a beat J6 was suddenly worse than 911.

You leftist have tried to kill Trump like four times now. You have weaponized the DOJ against republicans. You cheer for the murder of anyone who disagrees with you. You are in denial.

 

[Failzero]

This is America which is not Vietnam, Serbia, Uganda, or even Iraq.
You dreaming you have a clue how things would be here would be a mistake, as I have already mentioned.

They could tell the commander of the Second Armored Division to suit up, tank up and roll on Houston, and the commander could talk to his troops, load up the tanks and say, "I don't think so Tim, and we're rolling on you motherfuckers."

You are assuming that federal lines will hold in a civil war, which means you don't know what a civil war is.
It doesn't necessarily mean a military operation on civilian combatants, and the military combatants may freely choose what side they are going to fight on in a civil war, and they might just bring everything on base with them.

The Democommies are 100% Sure the LEOs / MIL / NG would side with them if it kicked off