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I’m posting this in Zone 1 to keep the discussion on-topic and avoid derailments. Technically this belongs in the Justice section, but Zone 1 gives it a better chance of staying focused.

Since people will inevitably accuse the judge of bias if (or when) this case collapses, here’s a clear summary of the problems with the Comey indictment.


Context

Comey was indicted on two counts. Federal indictments come from a grand jury of up to 23 people. To indict, the prosecutor needs at least 12 jurors to agree there is “probable cause”—a very low threshold meaning only that there are reasonable grounds to believe a crime might have been committed. There is no judge present, and no defense lawyer. The prosecutor presents everything. This is why people say a grand jury could “indict a ham sandwich.”

Halligan brought three counts. The grand jury rejected one outright. For the remaining two, she only secured 14 out of 23 votes—barely above the minimum. While legally sufficient, it is still notable: she struggled to persuade even a majority of a grand jury that only hears her side.

At trial, the situation reverses. The government must convince a full jury unanimously and meet the far higher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, while the defendant finally gains full constitutional protections, the right to challenge evidence, and the right to present a defense.

Given how thin the grand-jury support was, the odds of this case surviving through trial are extremely low.


How Halligan Got This Far

A major issue is how Halligan obtained the emails that form the basis of her case. These emails came from a search warrant originally issued against a friend of Comey in a different investigation that was later dropped.

That’s a constitutional problem. Search warrants must be specific: they must state who is being searched, what items are being sought, and for what purpose. Evidence collected under one warrant cannot simply be held indefinitely and then repurposed years later for an unrelated investigation without obtaining a new warrant or meeting very narrow exceptions.

These rules exist to prevent exactly this—allowing the government to stockpile private data and re-search or re-use it without fresh judicial oversight. Using old warrant material outside its original scope raises serious Fourth Amendment issues involving overreach, improper retention, and lack of authorization.


Attorney-Client Privilege Issues

The situation becomes even more serious once you consider who the original warrant targeted. The person whose emails were seized had since been retained as Comey’s attorney. That means the seized material now likely included attorney–client communications, which are among the most protected categories of information in American law.

If the government can freely access a defendant’s private conversations with their lawyer, a fair trial becomes impossible. Any potentially privileged material must be reviewed by a taint team or special master—people not involved in the prosecution—before investigators can see it. Then the defendant gets the chance to assert privilege, and a judge rules on disputed items.

None of that happened here. The prosecution did not use a taint team, and Comey was never given a chance to assert his rights. According to filings, the only witness Halligan presented to the grand jury was exposed to the emails even after another agent warned that the material likely contained privileged communications.


Misstatements to the Grand Jury

It gets worse. According to a magistrate judge who reviewed the transcripts, Halligan misstated the law when questioned by the grand jury.

She suggested that Comey could be forced to answer questions at trial. That is false. Judges instruct juries not to draw any inference from a defendant’s choice to testify—or not—at trial.

She told the grand jury they could rely on or be assured of additional or better evidence. Again, that is incorrect; jurors are supposed to consider only the evidence presented at the time.


These errors are not minor technicalities—they go to the heart of the grand jury process. The magistrate said they seriously undermine the reliability of the indictment.


Indictment vs. Grand Jury Approval Mismatch

There’s also a serious question about whether the grand jury actually saw the final indictment that was later filed. According to the magistrate judge, it appears the version presented to the grand jury may not have been the same document that became the official indictment.

If true, this means the grand jury could not have properly approved the charges, which is a fundamental procedural problem. It’s more than a technicality—it strikes at the legitimacy of the indictment itself.


Vindictive Prosecution?

Halligan was appointed after Trump forced the previous prosecutor to resign, reportedly because that prosecutor did not want to pursue an indictment. This sequence has been publicly documented.

According to reports, Trump communicated directly with Bondi, making clear that Halligan was willing to indict Comey and suggesting she be installed as prosecutor. Even if there is debate about whether Trump and Bondi strictly followed the official procedures for appointing a prosecutor, the broader pattern is clear: Trump was actively pushing for an indictment.

There is extensive public reporting and documentation of Trump threatening or pressuring legal action against Comey. In context, this raises serious concerns about whether the prosecution was influenced by political considerations rather than an impartial evaluation of the law. The problem here is, as they say, self-evident.

 
This case is going nowhere, but was filed to appease Trumps Revenge Tour
I know. I started the OP to have something to refer to when the judge dismisses it. It's unlikely any maga person will engage with any of it. But on the other hand it having it handy and on the record before it happens saves time.
 
I’m posting this in Zone 1 to keep the discussion on-topic and avoid derailments. Technically this belongs in the Justice section, but Zone 1 gives it a better chance of staying focused.

Since people will inevitably accuse the judge of bias if (or when) this case collapses, here’s a clear summary of the problems with the Comey indictment.


Context

Comey was indicted on two counts. Federal indictments come from a grand jury of up to 23 people. To indict, the prosecutor needs at least 12 jurors to agree there is “probable cause”—a very low threshold meaning only that there are reasonable grounds to believe a crime might have been committed. There is no judge present, and no defense lawyer. The prosecutor presents everything. This is why people say a grand jury could “indict a ham sandwich.”

Halligan brought three counts. The grand jury rejected one outright. For the remaining two, she only secured 14 out of 23 votes—barely above the minimum. While legally sufficient, it is still notable: she struggled to persuade even a majority of a grand jury that only hears her side.

At trial, the situation reverses. The government must convince a full jury unanimously and meet the far higher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, while the defendant finally gains full constitutional protections, the right to challenge evidence, and the right to present a defense.

Given how thin the grand-jury support was, the odds of this case surviving through trial are extremely low.


How Halligan Got This Far

A major issue is how Halligan obtained the emails that form the basis of her case. These emails came from a search warrant originally issued against a friend of Comey in a different investigation that was later dropped.

That’s a constitutional problem. Search warrants must be specific: they must state who is being searched, what items are being sought, and for what purpose. Evidence collected under one warrant cannot simply be held indefinitely and then repurposed years later for an unrelated investigation without obtaining a new warrant or meeting very narrow exceptions.

These rules exist to prevent exactly this—allowing the government to stockpile private data and re-search or re-use it without fresh judicial oversight. Using old warrant material outside its original scope raises serious Fourth Amendment issues involving overreach, improper retention, and lack of authorization.


Attorney-Client Privilege Issues

The situation becomes even more serious once you consider who the original warrant targeted. The person whose emails were seized had since been retained as Comey’s attorney. That means the seized material now likely included attorney–client communications, which are among the most protected categories of information in American law.

If the government can freely access a defendant’s private conversations with their lawyer, a fair trial becomes impossible. Any potentially privileged material must be reviewed by a taint team or special master—people not involved in the prosecution—before investigators can see it. Then the defendant gets the chance to assert privilege, and a judge rules on disputed items.

None of that happened here. The prosecution did not use a taint team, and Comey was never given a chance to assert his rights. According to filings, the only witness Halligan presented to the grand jury was exposed to the emails even after another agent warned that the material likely contained privileged communications.


Misstatements to the Grand Jury

It gets worse. According to a magistrate judge who reviewed the transcripts, Halligan misstated the law when questioned by the grand jury.

She suggested that Comey could be forced to answer questions at trial. That is false. Judges instruct juries not to draw any inference from a defendant’s choice to testify—or not—at trial.

She told the grand jury they could rely on or be assured of additional or better evidence. Again, that is incorrect; jurors are supposed to consider only the evidence presented at the time.


These errors are not minor technicalities—they go to the heart of the grand jury process. The magistrate said they seriously undermine the reliability of the indictment.


Indictment vs. Grand Jury Approval Mismatch

There’s also a serious question about whether the grand jury actually saw the final indictment that was later filed. According to the magistrate judge, it appears the version presented to the grand jury may not have been the same document that became the official indictment.

If true, this means the grand jury could not have properly approved the charges, which is a fundamental procedural problem. It’s more than a technicality—it strikes at the legitimacy of the indictment itself.


Vindictive Prosecution?

Halligan was appointed after Trump forced the previous prosecutor to resign, reportedly because that prosecutor did not want to pursue an indictment. This sequence has been publicly documented.

According to reports, Trump communicated directly with Bondi, making clear that Halligan was willing to indict Comey and suggesting she be installed as prosecutor. Even if there is debate about whether Trump and Bondi strictly followed the official procedures for appointing a prosecutor, the broader pattern is clear: Trump was actively pushing for an indictment.

There is extensive public reporting and documentation of Trump threatening or pressuring legal action against Comey. In context, this raises serious concerns about whether the prosecution was influenced by political considerations rather than an impartial evaluation of the law. The problem here is, as they say, self-evident.

Why has the Judge limited Halligan's tenure in this case to include the last prosecutor's time making it impossible for Halligan to work on the case? Halligan's tenure in the case should be when she started in Sepember for 120 days but the judge saw fit to truncate her tenure from the starting time of the last prosecutor.
 
Why has the Judge limited Halligan's tenure in this case to include the last prosecutor's time making it impossible for Halligan to work on the case? Halligan's tenure in the case should be when she started in Sepember for 120 days but the judge saw fit to truncate her tenure from the starting time of the last prosecutor.
The judge didn't limit her tenure. The judge said she never had a tenure. For the simple reason that the President can only appoint an interim US attorney for a single term of 120 days. After which it's the district court who appoints them. That single term was served by Eric Siebert. After he served his 120 days the district court extended that term, until he resigned. So, it was on the district court to appoint a replacement not Bondi.

And the administration was aware that those are the rules because 4 other judges in 4 other districts had already ruled that 4 other US attorneys were appointed illegally. Laws are not suggestions.

(d)
If an appointment expires under subsection (c)(2), the district court for such district may appoint a United States attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled. The order of appointment by the court shall be filed with the clerk of the court.
 
I've always liked and respected the FBI ... until this egomaniacal sociopath took over and turned it into a political punishment machine.

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**** him and the chariot of lies he rode in on.
 
I've always liked and respected the FBI ... until this egomaniacal sociopath took over and turned it into a political punishment machine.

i-vsj4Lpf-L.jpg


**** him and the chariot of lies he rode in on.

Trump would have never been elected without Comey
 
I’m posting this in Zone 1 to keep the discussion on-topic and avoid derailments. Technically this belongs in the Justice section, but Zone 1 gives it a better chance of staying focused.

Since people will inevitably accuse the judge of bias if (or when) this case collapses, here’s a clear summary of the problems with the Comey indictment.


Context

Comey was indicted on two counts. Federal indictments come from a grand jury of up to 23 people. To indict, the prosecutor needs at least 12 jurors to agree there is “probable cause”—a very low threshold meaning only that there are reasonable grounds to believe a crime might have been committed. There is no judge present, and no defense lawyer. The prosecutor presents everything. This is why people say a grand jury could “indict a ham sandwich.”

Halligan brought three counts. The grand jury rejected one outright. For the remaining two, she only secured 14 out of 23 votes—barely above the minimum. While legally sufficient, it is still notable: she struggled to persuade even a majority of a grand jury that only hears her side.

At trial, the situation reverses. The government must convince a full jury unanimously and meet the far higher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, while the defendant finally gains full constitutional protections, the right to challenge evidence, and the right to present a defense.

Given how thin the grand-jury support was, the odds of this case surviving through trial are extremely low.


How Halligan Got This Far

A major issue is how Halligan obtained the emails that form the basis of her case. These emails came from a search warrant originally issued against a friend of Comey in a different investigation that was later dropped.

That’s a constitutional problem. Search warrants must be specific: they must state who is being searched, what items are being sought, and for what purpose. Evidence collected under one warrant cannot simply be held indefinitely and then repurposed years later for an unrelated investigation without obtaining a new warrant or meeting very narrow exceptions.

These rules exist to prevent exactly this—allowing the government to stockpile private data and re-search or re-use it without fresh judicial oversight. Using old warrant material outside its original scope raises serious Fourth Amendment issues involving overreach, improper retention, and lack of authorization.


Attorney-Client Privilege Issues

The situation becomes even more serious once you consider who the original warrant targeted. The person whose emails were seized had since been retained as Comey’s attorney. That means the seized material now likely included attorney–client communications, which are among the most protected categories of information in American law.

If the government can freely access a defendant’s private conversations with their lawyer, a fair trial becomes impossible. Any potentially privileged material must be reviewed by a taint team or special master—people not involved in the prosecution—before investigators can see it. Then the defendant gets the chance to assert privilege, and a judge rules on disputed items.

None of that happened here. The prosecution did not use a taint team, and Comey was never given a chance to assert his rights. According to filings, the only witness Halligan presented to the grand jury was exposed to the emails even after another agent warned that the material likely contained privileged communications.


Misstatements to the Grand Jury

It gets worse. According to a magistrate judge who reviewed the transcripts, Halligan misstated the law when questioned by the grand jury.

She suggested that Comey could be forced to answer questions at trial. That is false. Judges instruct juries not to draw any inference from a defendant’s choice to testify—or not—at trial.

She told the grand jury they could rely on or be assured of additional or better evidence. Again, that is incorrect; jurors are supposed to consider only the evidence presented at the time.


These errors are not minor technicalities—they go to the heart of the grand jury process. The magistrate said they seriously undermine the reliability of the indictment.


Indictment vs. Grand Jury Approval Mismatch

There’s also a serious question about whether the grand jury actually saw the final indictment that was later filed. According to the magistrate judge, it appears the version presented to the grand jury may not have been the same document that became the official indictment.

If true, this means the grand jury could not have properly approved the charges, which is a fundamental procedural problem. It’s more than a technicality—it strikes at the legitimacy of the indictment itself.


Vindictive Prosecution?

Halligan was appointed after Trump forced the previous prosecutor to resign, reportedly because that prosecutor did not want to pursue an indictment. This sequence has been publicly documented.

According to reports, Trump communicated directly with Bondi, making clear that Halligan was willing to indict Comey and suggesting she be installed as prosecutor. Even if there is debate about whether Trump and Bondi strictly followed the official procedures for appointing a prosecutor, the broader pattern is clear: Trump was actively pushing for an indictment.

There is extensive public reporting and documentation of Trump threatening or pressuring legal action against Comey. In context, this raises serious concerns about whether the prosecution was influenced by political considerations rather than an impartial evaluation of the law. The problem here is, as they say, self-evident.

This guy who makes Youtube videos should become an investigative journalist because he's very great on reporting facts.

 
This guy who makes Youtube videos should become an investigative journalist because he's very great on reporting facts.


No facts were reported. A rif about his truck. Then a rif about the judge never even getting beyond the explanation "Clinton appointed judge". Right after they simply say "yea, well Bondi was simply doing what the boss wanted", thereby of course admitting it was vindictive prosecution. Then going to the national guardsman an a general "Trump so butch" bit, and then some banter.

The fact that this to you even makes sense, let alone is reporting facts in your book is a mystery. If he would try te do investigative journalism he'd starve before he finds anything.

The facts of the dismissal are clear. I documented the applicable law for you and highlighted the relevant part. Then I mentioned that this same law was used to declare 4 other appointments illegal.

If you instead want to go by... a guy on YouTube says " well it's a Clinton appointed judge" go right ahead.
 
I know. I started the OP to have something to refer to when the judge dismisses it. It's unlikely any maga person will engage with any of it. But on the other hand it having it handy and on the record before it happens saves time.

Twenty five year veteran of the FBI John De Souza reported that he felt forced to retire early from the FBI due to the atmosphere that Comey created there.

Several of John De Souza's cases became the first season of the X Files.

 
Twenty five year veteran of the FBI John De Souza reported that he felt forced to retire early from the FBI due to the atmosphere that Comey created there.

Several of John De Souza's cases became the first season of the X Files.


So see if I get this straight. The guy who inspired the X-Files, a show about an FBI agent that investigates, call it weird cases. Felt that Comey created an atmosphere he didn't like making him retire.

Therefore by some weird logic an indictment of Comey is warranted.

Is that your argument?
 
So see if I get this straight. The guy who inspired the X-Files, a show about an FBI agent that investigates, call it weird cases. Felt that Comey created an atmosphere he didn't like making him retire.

Therefore by some weird logic an indictment of Comey is warranted.

Is that your argument?

Yes, John De Souza reported that Comey was turning the FBI into a political tool similar to how the Dems were using lawfare, and outright falsification of evidence, to attempt to get Trump out of politics.


What John De Souza reports about the UFO phenemona is actually an interesting part of USA history since "Operation Paperclip."

The Extra-Dimensionals: True Tales and Concepts of Alien Visitors​

by John DeSouza (Author)
4.3 4.3 out of 5 stars (540)
3.9 on Goodreads


Extra-Dimensionality is the key to understanding everything…By everything, we mean all the areas in which we have been deceived to believe the physical world is the beginning and end of all things. “The Extra-Dimensionals” is the stark revelation of where Alien Visitors are actually coming from and to where they are returning. Understanding Extra-Dimensionality is the way to unfold the truth of the paranormal, the spiritual and even the physical world. These Visitors have been with us since time immemorial and their messages to us are everywhere around us. The truth will eventually explode into our field of vision. If we refuse to listen then we are only delaying the inevitable to a time when an alarm will be sounded that is so loud that it will consume everything upon the Earth. Once the black swans arrive, once we awaken to numerous mile long shadows cast by these ancient ships—hanging over our major cities, soundless, motionless, maddening; it will be too late. It is in these final moments that we can still, with open minds and clear hearts, decipher that which has been intentionally hidden from humanity for so long—the truth of Extra-Dimensionality. That comprehension will, in turn, illuminate every hidden truth of our material existence. Then, we will find that for the first time, we will finally have the key to understanding everything.


 
This case is going nowhere, but was filed to appease Trumps Revenge Tour
Even if we assume for a second it’s granted that its purely “revenge”, you don’t need to seek revenge if you aren’t wronged in the first place.

I suppose Maximus should have just accepted his murdered family and not been so mean to seek out those who harmed him so??

The Democrats have earned severe abuse of power against them since they so aggressively applied it. If you’re going to throw punches, you can’t whine and play victim when you get punched back. That’s what you’re doing.
 
Even if we assume for a second it’s granted that its purely “revenge”, you don’t need to seek revenge if you aren’t wronged in the first place.

I suppose Maximus should have just accepted his murdered family and not been so mean to seek out those who harmed him so??

The Democrats have earned severe abuse of power against them since they so aggressively applied it. If you’re going to throw punches, you can’t whine and play victim when you get punched back. That’s what you’re doing.
Trump always plays the victim
It is never his fault.

He was indicted because he broke the law
 
Sounds like you’re playing the victim actually

But got no penalty and was apologized to by the court. It all was nothing
I have never been under indictment
Never convicted of 27 felonies
Never had the FBI show up at my house

That would be our President
 
15th post
But got no penalty and was apologized to by the court. It all was nothing

Trump got no penalty because he was elected President not because he was innocent
 
I have never been under indictment
You’ve never had his political enemies
Never convicted of 27 felonies
Which were then deemed moot
Never had the FBI show up at my house
Again, You’ve never had his political enemies either
That would be our President
Yep. He’s come out of all the is abuse clean as a whistle. All of the abusive attempts to take him down have turned out to be nothing.
 
Trump got no penalty because he was elected President not because he was innocent
So you think the judge excused him? The judge is one of the parties that caused the case to be so insanely corrupt in the first place…
 
So you think the judge excused him? The judge is one of the parties that caused the case to be so insanely corrupt in the first place…
The judge specifically cited Trumps election as the reason for no sentence
 
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