The Class President....

[LoneLaugher]

Bush was a classy guy

But he was an anti-Constitutionalists non-the-less

He tried to be a President for ALL of the people.
Unfotunately, that came across as his personal war on the consitution....but he believed in the balance of government and the system of checks and balances.....and so, in essence, he always let the people decide.

you don't let reactionaries decide.

That's how we nearly lost our 2nd.

We nearly lost our 2nd?

 

[candycorn]

Bush was a classy guy

But he was an anti-Constitutionalists non-the-less

His adminstration lied about Pat Tillman's death--to Pat Tillman's mom and dad. Nobody was held accountable in his adminstration.

If you're judged by your deeds, Bush doesn't have much class or Christian values. There are a lot of times when we don't know the right path--as President, he dealt with things that would boggle the mind of almost anyone else on earth. But in this one case, the right choice was obvious and he purposely chose a different course.

Am I saying he should rot in hell? No..of course not. But you can't overlook this when taking the measure of the man himself. If you can, I'd like to hear how you rationalize it.

Pat Tillman, for those who don't know, was an NFL defensive back. He was in the prime of his career playing for our Arizona Cardinals. He could have played 4-5 more years banking tens of millions of dollars. He quit his career (one he had prepared for by playing college ball so he wasn't a guy who just tried out for it) to go fight a war as an Army Ranger. He was killed by friendly fire. The Administration of George W. Bush knew this and lied to his loved ones about the circumstances around his death. Friendly fire happens in war all the time. What doesn't happen is this cover-up by Bush and the military under his command. Instead, he (and Jessica Lynch--they lied about the circumstances of her capture as well) was used as a recruiting tool by the military.

Neither the extensive Army investigation, which the Bush administration made no attempt whatsoever to hinder or influence, nor the Congressional hearings, or the intensive media scrutiny found anything to implicate President Bush in that. Stuff happens in war. Perhaps it was wrong of the Army to try to honor Tilman intead of telling the truth. Or maybe they didn't want to admit friendly fire. I don't know anybody's motives. Do you?

As Commander-in-Chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Perhaps? You've summed up the reason that you've lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. And a good reason you won in 2004 is because of the Bush's manipulation of the Terror Threat Level .

Do you honestly think Tilman's death, however tragic and unnecessary, sums up the whole of the Bush administration?

It sums up Bush's principles. Lying to the mother of a fallen soldier...and not apologizing when his administration was clearly in the wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

His adminstration lied about Pat Tillman's death--to Pat Tillman's mom and dad. Nobody was held accountable in his adminstration.

If you're judged by your deeds, Bush doesn't have much class or Christian values. There are a lot of times when we don't know the right path--as President, he dealt with things that would boggle the mind of almost anyone else on earth. But in this one case, the right choice was obvious and he purposely chose a different course.

Am I saying he should rot in hell? No..of course not. But you can't overlook this when taking the measure of the man himself. If you can, I'd like to hear how you rationalize it.

Pat Tillman, for those who don't know, was an NFL defensive back. He was in the prime of his career playing for our Arizona Cardinals. He could have played 4-5 more years banking tens of millions of dollars. He quit his career (one he had prepared for by playing college ball so he wasn't a guy who just tried out for it) to go fight a war as an Army Ranger. He was killed by friendly fire. The Administration of George W. Bush knew this and lied to his loved ones about the circumstances around his death. Friendly fire happens in war all the time. What doesn't happen is this cover-up by Bush and the military under his command. Instead, he (and Jessica Lynch--they lied about the circumstances of her capture as well) was used as a recruiting tool by the military.

Neither the extensive Army investigation, which the Bush administration made no attempt whatsoever to hinder or influence, nor the Congressional hearings, or the intensive media scrutiny found anything to implicate President Bush in that. Stuff happens in war. Perhaps it was wrong of the Army to try to honor Tilman intead of telling the truth. Or maybe they didn't want to admit friendly fire. I don't know anybody's motives. Do you?

As Commander-in-Chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Perhaps? You've summed up the reason that you've lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. And a good reason you won in 2004 is because of the Bush's manipulation of the Terror Threat Level .

Do you honestly think Tilman's death, however tragic and unnecessary, sums up the whole of the Bush administration?

It sums up Bush's principles. Lying to the mother of a fallen soldier...and not apologizing when his administration was clearly in the wrong.

Haters gonna hate. I'm really sorry there isn't much to defend in your Messiah so that you have to keep focused on hating the Bush administration more than four years later. But your unadulterated hatred is noted. You can't back it up with much, but we gotta hate what we gotta hate I guess.

 

[healthmyths]

His adminstration lied about Pat Tillman's death--to Pat Tillman's mom and dad. Nobody was held accountable in his adminstration.

If you're judged by your deeds, Bush doesn't have much class or Christian values. There are a lot of times when we don't know the right path--as President, he dealt with things that would boggle the mind of almost anyone else on earth. But in this one case, the right choice was obvious and he purposely chose a different course.

Am I saying he should rot in hell? No..of course not. But you can't overlook this when taking the measure of the man himself. If you can, I'd like to hear how you rationalize it.

Pat Tillman, for those who don't know, was an NFL defensive back. He was in the prime of his career playing for our Arizona Cardinals. He could have played 4-5 more years banking tens of millions of dollars. He quit his career (one he had prepared for by playing college ball so he wasn't a guy who just tried out for it) to go fight a war as an Army Ranger. He was killed by friendly fire. The Administration of George W. Bush knew this and lied to his loved ones about the circumstances around his death. Friendly fire happens in war all the time. What doesn't happen is this cover-up by Bush and the military under his command. Instead, he (and Jessica Lynch--they lied about the circumstances of her capture as well) was used as a recruiting tool by the military.

Neither the extensive Army investigation, which the Bush administration made no attempt whatsoever to hinder or influence, nor the Congressional hearings, or the intensive media scrutiny found anything to implicate President Bush in that. Stuff happens in war. Perhaps it was wrong of the Army to try to honor Tilman intead of telling the truth. Or maybe they didn't want to admit friendly fire. I don't know anybody's motives. Do you?

As Commander-in-Chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Perhaps? You've summed up the reason that you've lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. And a good reason you won in 2004 is because of the Bush's manipulation of the Terror Threat Level .

Do you honestly think Tilman's death, however tragic and unnecessary, sums up the whole of the Bush administration?

It sums up Bush's principles. Lying to the mother of a fallen soldier...and not apologizing when his administration was clearly in the wrong.

So ONE event.. where Bush who had nothing to do with it is responsible for apologizing SUMS Bush principles? ONE event?
Former President George W. Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush made a private visit to Darnall Army Medical Center ...
How about this for SUMMARY ???

What is even better is the fact George W. Bush heard about Fort Hood, got in his car without any escort, apparently they did not have time to react, and drove to Fort Hood. He was stopped at the gate and the guard could not believe who he had just stopped. Bush only asks for directions to the hospital then drove on. The gate guard called that “The President is on Fort Hood and driving to the hospital.”

The base went bananas looking for Obama. When they found it was Bush, they immediately offered escort. Bush simply told them it was o.k. and to let him visit the wounded and the dependents of the dead.
He stayed at Fort Hood for over six hours, and was finally asked to leave by a message from the White House. Unbelievable, eh?

Obama flew in days later and held a “photo” session in a gym, and did not even go to the hospital.

All this I picked up from two soldiers here who happened to be at Fort Hood when it happened. This Bush/Obama/Ft.Hood story is something that should be told to every voter in the US. Those who wanted “change” certainly got it.
Bush visits families of dead and wounded soldiers | The Last Ditch

 

[DGS49]

Jesus christ! It is not necessary to quote the entire previous posting to make your point. Do we have to read this ******* posting fifteen times? We can read!

Give it a rest. Make your point without re-posting everything that has been posted before!

Jesus!

 

[candycorn]

Bush was a classy guy

But he was an anti-Constitutionalists non-the-less

His adminstration lied about Pat Tillman's death--to Pat Tillman's mom and dad. Nobody was held accountable in his adminstration.

If you're judged by your deeds, Bush doesn't have much class or Christian values. There are a lot of times when we don't know the right path--as President, he dealt with things that would boggle the mind of almost anyone else on earth. But in this one case, the right choice was obvious and he purposely chose a different course.

Am I saying he should rot in hell? No..of course not. But you can't overlook this when taking the measure of the man himself. If you can, I'd like to hear how you rationalize it.

Pat Tillman, for those who don't know, was an NFL defensive back. He was in the prime of his career playing for our Arizona Cardinals. He could have played 4-5 more years banking tens of millions of dollars. He quit his career (one he had prepared for by playing college ball so he wasn't a guy who just tried out for it) to go fight a war as an Army Ranger. He was killed by friendly fire. The Administration of George W. Bush knew this and lied to his loved ones about the circumstances around his death. Friendly fire happens in war all the time. What doesn't happen is this cover-up by Bush and the military under his command. Instead, he (and Jessica Lynch--they lied about the circumstances of her capture as well) was used as a recruiting tool by the military.

You know EVERYTHING you said above is 100% correct!

Thanks.

NOW please address the MAJOR EVENTS that occurred and tell me WHY you think Bush still should be BASHED so by idiots?

Bush screwed up big time in several ways.

You mean these events were myths.. never happened???

Your memory of the events is probably mythic if your posting history is any indication.

PLUS Obama as all other Presidents NEVER FACED what Bush faced in his 8 years... AND I'D like ANY of you to refute these cataclysmic events!
DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $66 billion written off against taxes owed.
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

Martket value losses are pretty substantial to our economy but they are market value losses. And since it was a bubble you are by definition saying that the overvalued companies lost their value...

Still substantial.

Maybe a bit more regulation would have eased the bubble and the burst somewhat? We all know who the great de-regulators are...

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $33 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?

He did seem to ignore the PDB of 8/6/01. Still, there wasn't actionable inteligence; still going home to Crawford to clear brush was probably not the wise thing to do.

Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again.

Somehow you forget that on your almost hourly bash-session of President Obama.

It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

No doubt it was a singular event no President ever had to deal with before.

DID THIS HAPPEN??
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.

Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

The botched recovery lead by his hand-picked FEMA chief didn't help matters or market confidence afterword. But you seem to have forgotten that. Doing a great job Brownie!

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Gee, maybe a bail out would have helped. He did bail out...the airline companies after 9/11 (not the employees but the companies who later laid off employees).

Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events

All of this while having almost $100 billion a year in tax revenue due to the above losses !

DID THIS HAPPEN??
4) Economic terrorist attack 9/18/2008 or how the world almost came to the end at 2pm on 9/18/2008.
How close to entire collapse the ENTIRE world's economy was on 9/18/2008 when an economic terrorist attack occurred..

On Thursday (Sept 18), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury ...estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it."
Zero Hedge: How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18

Fantasize much?

Oh and did I mention along the way when "Mission Accomplished" occurred after less then six weeks of combat in May 2003.. 10 years ago..that over 1 million Iraq people were
saved from starving? 50,000 people a year were starving under Saddam and when he was removed, (by the way at the request of Kerry,Pelosi, and 90% of the 28 million Iraqis) the
UN mandated embargo was removed.
Researcher Richard Garfield estimated that "a minimum of 100,000 and a more likely estimate of 227,000 excess deaths among young children from August 1991 through March 1998" from all causes including sanctions. Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was much more humane to demobilize the country without a plan in place (Except for Chalabi), not disarm the military but disband them, and let the citizens die in IED blasts as opposed to starving. Much better. Take off the rose-colored-glasses. Most Conservative commentators even admit that Iraq was a mistake.

Again all this happened and at the same time the MSM was bashing the President DAILY!
But of course YOU as an idiot isolate ONE minor incident in an Administration that FREED 28 million people. Saved over 500,000 lives from starvation all the while
having LESS revenue, but still growth in the GDP/Employment...
YET you respond with one incident!

ONE in the face of 5,000 deaths due 9/11 hurricanes NONE of which was Bush's fault... YET idiots like you TOTALLY ignore this!

Well the thread is about the "class" of the man. His administration's mis-treatment of Ms. and Mr. Tillman speaks volumes.

 

[Foxfyre]

Neither the extensive Army investigation, which the Bush administration made no attempt whatsoever to hinder or influence, nor the Congressional hearings, or the intensive media scrutiny found anything to implicate President Bush in that. Stuff happens in war. Perhaps it was wrong of the Army to try to honor Tilman intead of telling the truth. Or maybe they didn't want to admit friendly fire. I don't know anybody's motives. Do you?

As Commander-in-Chief, he is ultimately responsible.

Perhaps? You've summed up the reason that you've lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes. And a good reason you won in 2004 is because of the Bush's manipulation of the Terror Threat Level .

Do you honestly think Tilman's death, however tragic and unnecessary, sums up the whole of the Bush administration?

It sums up Bush's principles. Lying to the mother of a fallen soldier...and not apologizing when his administration was clearly in the wrong.

So ONE event.. where Bush who had nothing to do with it is responsible for apologizing SUMS Bush principles? ONE event?
Former President George W. Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush made a private visit to Darnall Army Medical Center ...
How about this for SUMMARY ???

What is even better is the fact George W. Bush heard about Fort Hood, got in his car without any escort, apparently they did not have time to react, and drove to Fort Hood. He was stopped at the gate and the guard could not believe who he had just stopped. Bush only asks for directions to the hospital then drove on. The gate guard called that “The President is on Fort Hood and driving to the hospital.”

The base went bananas looking for Obama. When they found it was Bush, they immediately offered escort. Bush simply told them it was o.k. and to let him visit the wounded and the dependents of the dead.
He stayed at Fort Hood for over six hours, and was finally asked to leave by a message from the White House. Unbelievable, eh?

Obama flew in days later and held a “photo” session in a gym, and did not even go to the hospital.

All this I picked up from two soldiers here who happened to be at Fort Hood when it happened. This Bush/Obama/Ft.Hood story is something that should be told to every voter in the US. Those who wanted “change” certainly got it.
Bush visits families of dead and wounded soldiers | The Last Ditch

President Bush did in fact visit Ft. Hood, but the emails and websites that followed embellished it a bit. I'm pretty sure this account is pretty much accurate:

. . . .But since then, we’ve had a steady stream of queries about this chain e-mail’s description of the visit, in which the author embellishes the facts considerably. Army officials would not comment, so we spoke to Bush spokesman David Sherzer, who was happy to set the record straight.

Sherzer described the visit as being "as spontaneous as a visit from a former president can be" — it was planned that same day. But Sherzer told us that Bush’s visit was coordinated with base officials, that he did not refuse escort, and that he did not overstay his welcome. As for the part about President Obama telling him to leave, Sherzer said that’s simply not true.

Bush’s home in Crawford is a one-hour drive from Ft. Hood, and he did go to the base after being contacted by Ft. Hood’s commanding general, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone. "It is accurate to say he did drop everything to go," Sherzer said, but he added that "we went about it in the appropriate way, which was to coordinate with the base personnel and Secret Service." And Bush stayed for about two hours, not the six the e-mail claims.

Sherzer told us that Lt. Gen. Cone had requested that Bush and Mrs. Bush visit with the wounded and their families, after Bush sent his condolences. The former president was "honored to be able to do that," Sherzer said, but he coordinated with the base to make sure he was coming at an appropriate time. He was not stopped at the gate, as described in the e-mail, because he was expected and because he had a Secret Service escort.

Sherzer emphasized that Bush is very respectful of the Secret Service’s role, which includes escorting him safely from place to place. He does not simply barrel into the car without alerting them, as the e-mail describes. The e-mail also says that Bush told soldiers to "shut up" when they offered him escort. In fact, Sherzer told us, Ft. Hood officials — who knew about his visit in advance — greeted Bush when he arrived and escorted him throughout the visit. "He would never do anything like what’s described in that e-mail," said Sherzer, of the claims that Bush rebuffed protection.

Finally, Bush was not sent away by Obama. "The part about being asked to leave by the White House is completely false," Sherzer told us. Bush spent about two hours at the base and left, Sherzer said, because he did not want to take resources or time away from those who were helping the victims and families.
FactCheck.org : Bush at Ft. Hood

 

[Foxfyre]

Also, just to keep the record straight, President and MIchelle Obama were at Ft. Hood for four hours to attend a memorial service for those who were killed and they did spend time with the families of the killed and wounded and most accounts report their intention was also to visit some of the wounded.

Bottom line: both Presidents appear to have conducted themselves appropriately and with proper respect for the circumstances.

 

[Oldguy]

He did a lousy job.

So did Bush, and especially in his response to 9/11. Instead of calling the nation to arms, a nation which was breathlessly awaiting the call, he told us to go to the mall and let him handle it.

Well...we did....and look what we've got for thousands of lives and a trillion dollars.

If you think either Iraq or Afghanistan is the epitome of "victory," then you're as deluded as Bush was.

 

[rightwinger]

How does a President with so much "Class" authorize torture?

 

[Jarhead]

He did a lousy job.

So did Bush, and especially in his response to 9/11. Instead of calling the nation to arms, a nation which was breathlessly awaiting the call, he told us to go to the mall and let him handle it.

Well...we did....and look what we've got for thousands of lives and a trillion dollars.

If you think either Iraq or Afghanistan is the epitome of "victory," then you're as deluded as Bush was.

I never said either of those campaigns were the epitome of success. They were difficult wars and our troops werent prepared for an enemy that was willing to let children be their armor.

The difference is....

Bush did not know what was coming. It fell into his lap.

Obama knew well ahead of time what was on the plate of the next president.

He told ALL OF US that he knew what to do, how to do it and to "trust him"..

He said that regarding the wars and the economy.

And he did a lousy job.

 

[healthmyths]

Jesus christ! It is not necessary to quote the entire previous posting to make your point. Do we have to read this ******* posting fifteen times? We can read!

Give it a rest. Make your point without re-posting everything that has been posted before!

Jesus!

I will continue to post because NOT ONE of you f...king idiots seem to comprehend those are the FACTS.
YOU can't change them so why NOT admit they happened and these EVENTS could have been MUCH more devastating if we had Obama in charge as this idiot can't even pronounce "corpsman" !

I assume if you don't refute you can't refute. If you refute and PROVE all those events DIDN"T occur I won't post.
But I know you can't as this is PUBLIC record.. Dot.com cost $5 trillion meaning people like Obama deducted these losses from their tax bill meaning LESS REVENUE.
Lost jobs also mean LESS Payroll taxes. Again FACTS of Life!
Same with 9/11 and the hurricanes and the 9/18/2008 economic terrorist attack.
ALL created losses which means less tax revenue. All cost jobs almost 1 million meaning lost payroll taxes!

So you tell me that NONE of these events occurred and that NONE of the economic consequences occurred!

 

[Oldguy]

E]

I never said either of those campaigns were the epitome of success. They were difficult wars and our troops werent prepared for an enemy that was willing to let children be their armor.

Really? Nobody knew anything about history?

Well...maybe inside the White House, but the rest of us already knew it.

The difference is....

Bush did not know what was coming. It fell into his lap.

Pearl Harbor fell into FDR's lap too and he didn't **** it up.

Obama knew well ahead of time what was on the plate of the next president.

He told ALL OF US that he knew what to do, how to do it and to "trust him"..

He said that regarding the wars and the economy.

Yep, he said that. But, in his defense, he was still laboring under the delusion that the GOP was willing to help him get the country back on course. It soon became clear that they were not and, in fact, had only one single, solitary goal: To make sure he never got a second term and damn the country in the process.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Gray Davis tried to get Bush to put pricing caps on electricity when Enron (who encouraged them to deregulate) raped CA to the tune of 30 BILLION dollars. Of course, Bush was friends with that criminal Ken Lay. He told Gray "there is nothing I can do".

Not even going to mention Iraq and the connection with Bush & Cheney's corporate bedfellows.

Sorry, criminals aren't classy.

 

[candycorn]

Jesus christ! It is not necessary to quote the entire previous posting to make your point. Do we have to read this ******* posting fifteen times? We can read!

Give it a rest. Make your point without re-posting everything that has been posted before!

Jesus!

He tried to come off as cerebral. It didn't work but give him style points at least---he's trying to make a case that most would never dream of.

 

[Foxfyre]

Gray Davis tried to get Bush to put pricing caps on electricity when Enron (who encouraged them to deregulate) raped CA to the tune of 30 BILLION dollars. Of course, Bush was friends with that criminal Ken Lay. He told Gray "there is nothing I can do".

Not even going to mention Iraq and the connection with Bush & Cheney's corporate bedfellows.

Sorry, criminals aren't classy.

You have links to back this up I presume? It is my understanding that Ken Lay was Bill Clinton's golfing buddy during the 1990's when most of the damage was done, though I am not blaming Clinton for the Enron scandal either. And though the haters gotta hate and really want to tie President Bush to Ken Lay, it is no secret the two knew each other and probably referred to each other as friends, not even the most hateful media attempted to pin the Enron scandal on Bush.

President Bush was inaugurated in late January, 2001. The house of fraudulent cards Enron had been building since I believe the late 1980's collapsed ten months later. It was the Bush Justice Dept., however, that was unrelenting in investigating, prosecuting, and eventually convicting Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling though Ken Lay died two months after the conviction and before he was formally sentenced. Skilling received a lengthy sentence that could amount to the rest of his life in prison though he is appealing it even now. President Bush neither pardoned him nor commuted any of his sentence.

The Bush Administration did their job in this matter. If you insist on blaming Bush for Enron, will you blame Obama for the BP oil spill in the gulf? Was GM's bankruptcy his fault?

 

[healthmyths]

Gray Davis tried to get Bush to put pricing caps on electricity when Enron (who encouraged them to deregulate) raped CA to the tune of 30 BILLION dollars. Of course, Bush was friends with that criminal Ken Lay. He told Gray "there is nothing I can do".

Not even going to mention Iraq and the connection with Bush & Cheney's corporate bedfellows.

Sorry, criminals aren't classy.

RIGHT make it possible for Californians to have to pay MORE IN TAXES !
Somewhere there is an economist who has the balls to study how much MONEY would have been paid by ENRON to CA. tax collectors IF they were continued to as you said RAPE
CA BUSINESSES REMEMBER BUSINESSES pay 10 times the amount of electricity then citizens and ENRON would have been charging those businesses and paying CA tax collections!

BUT leave it to idiots like you that say oh we should TAX MORE those wealthy businesses, evil profit makers and NOW look at what is happening to CA!

Hot on the heels of other tech giants leaving for Utah, Intel announces its plan to build a factory in Oregon.
This brings the count up to 158 companies that have left Californiaso far this year. Joseph Vranich, a business relocation coach, joined Varney & Co. this morning to explain why companies are running for the hills.
“California is losing businesses at a 3:1 ratio and we’re not even through with the year yet,” said Vranich. “It’s high-tech, it’s low-tech, it’s all-tech. We have a small company in California, in Los Angeles, leaving with 25 people but it’s Intel that creates 1,000 jobs elsewhere that makes the headlines.”
Right now, Intel will probably save about 60% on their electric bill, but when the new environmental regulations and rates increase next year, their electric bill in Oregon could well be an astonishing 80% to 90% less than in California.”

Read more: Companies Bid Farewell to California | Interviews | Varney & Company

SO again.. I ask the question.. ENRON RAPED CA???? Think at least how much lower CA taxes would have been if the above businesses weren't leaving and ENRON
was collecting revenue and therefore paying TAXES to CA? NOW there is nothing but HIGHER CA taxes and more companies leaving CA!