The Bush legacy

[Wry Catcher]

Charles Krauthammer: The Bush legacy - The Washington Post
A great opinion wrote by CK of the post

Let me add not only was both wars a success, his tax rates created millions of jobs until the wealth boom caused by greed and not policy crashed in 08
To me GWB biggest failures were
Immigration reform
Not funding Medicare D
And no child left behind
in 2007 this country stood at the door step of a balanced budget, the last GOP budget
BHO and the dems added 700 billion to that base-line by 2009 and along with the press gave blame to W

A truly great president during 8 very difficult years

Why is it that some of us insist on dredging up the past when in the present we much more important issues to which we must attend?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it",
George Santayana.

 

[thereisnospoon]

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Gosh, the families of 5,000 dead young American soldiers and multiple thousands more young maimed American soldiers may think something's missing from that list.

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GWB did not kill ay of thoise kids, nor did mame the rest
with out terror these events never occur
you might want to blame those who actually did the harm

Yes, the Commander in Chief who first put them in harm's way.

If they were not there in the first place, would they be dead/maimed?

Not expecting a straight answer.
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Because the premise is stupid, that's why.
Our Constitution has in it many passages where the federal government is charged with the duty of providing a national defense.
In the US, there is not conscription. That means service to the country's national defense is voluntary. These fine men and women choose to commit to service to their country.
Over the course of our history, it sometimes becomes necessary to deploy our military personnel in harms way.
It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize with impunity.
Think about THAT.

 

[barry1960]

what is it that is insulting?

I still have no understanding as to why you woudl use that event as an insult?
what are you trying to say?
9-11 was caused by 19 insanly motivated terrorist
the only insult about any of this was the left using those events to re gain power in 2006

Hmmmm...that picture doesn't make me feel "He kept us safe."

 

[JakeStarkey]

GWB did not kill ay of thoise kids, nor did mame the rest
with out terror these events never occur
you might want to blame those who actually did the harm

Yes, the Commander in Chief who first put them in harm's way.

If they were not there in the first place, would they be dead/maimed?

Not expecting a straight answer.
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Over the course of our history, it sometimes becomes necessary to deploy our military personnel in harms way.

And there is the point: it was not necessary to invade Iraq. Then we fucked it up: Iraq is allying with Iran and supporting Syria.

 

[jasonnfree]

Charles Krauthammer: The Bush legacy - The Washington Post
A great opinion wrote by CK of the post

Let me add not only was both wars a success, his tax rates created millions of jobs until the wealth boom caused by greed and not policy crashed in 08
To me GWB biggest failures were
Immigration reform
Not funding Medicare D
And no child left behind
in 2007 this country stood at the door step of a balanced budget, the last GOP budget
BHO and the dems added 700 billion to that base-line by 2009 and along with the press gave blame to W

A truly great president during 8 very difficult years

Why is it that some of us insist on dredging up the past when in the present we much more important issues to which we must attend?

Let bygones be bygones, right?
In criminal courts we dredge up the past. Another nazi has been found that's in his 90's. That case will be pursued. Police departments review old cases sometimes for new evidence. So why should a politician get a pass? Nixon and the 150 plus felons from the reagan bunch got a pass. If some of these politicos had done hard time in Leavenworth, maybe politicians in the future wouldn't be so apt to commit crimes.

 

[rightwinger]

Charles Krauthammer: The Bush legacy - The Washington Post
A great opinion wrote by CK of the post

Let me add not only was both wars a success, his tax rates created millions of jobs until the wealth boom caused by greed and not policy crashed in 08
To me GWB biggest failures were
Immigration reform
Not funding Medicare D
And no child left behind
in 2007 this country stood at the door step of a balanced budget, the last GOP budget
BHO and the dems added 700 billion to that base-line by 2009 and along with the press gave blame to W

A truly great president during 8 very difficult years

Why is it that some of us insist on dredging up the past when in the present we much more important issues to which we must attend?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it",
George Santayana.

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice.....um...um.....Wont get fooled again
George Bush

 

[jasonnfree]

GWB did not kill ay of thoise kids, nor did mame the rest
with out terror these events never occur
you might want to blame those who actually did the harm

Yes, the Commander in Chief who first put them in harm's way.

If they were not there in the first place, would they be dead/maimed?

Not expecting a straight answer.
.

Because the premise is stupid, that's why.
Our Constitution has in it many passages where the federal government is charged with the duty of providing a national defense.
In the US, there is not conscription. That means service to the country's national defense is voluntary. These fine men and women choose to commit to service to their country.
Over the course of our history, it sometimes becomes necessary to deploy our military personnel in harms way.
It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize with impunity.
Think about THAT.

We still have a draft. It's a felony for a man not to register at 18, punishable by fine and imprisonment. The draft proved unpopular though. If we'd been drafting during bush's term, there would've been protesting in the streets, especially after it was found out those little pricks lied about wmd's. This way, use the national guard and young kids going into the military to learn skills and get education help because of the now dreary prospects for the young in the new free trade economy. That's why Lyndie England enlisted. Education. Instead, she went to prison for being photographed with prisoners, bush and cheney are being toasted by the right wing as having been "substantive" politicians.

 

[rightwinger]

GWB did not kill ay of thoise kids, nor did mame the rest
with out terror these events never occur
you might want to blame those who actually did the harm

Yes, the Commander in Chief who first put them in harm's way.

If they were not there in the first place, would they be dead/maimed?

Not expecting a straight answer.
.

Because the premise is stupid, that's why.
Our Constitution has in it many passages where the federal government is charged with the duty of providing a national defense.
In the US, there is not conscription. That means service to the country's national defense is voluntary. These fine men and women choose to commit to service to their country.
Over the course of our history, it sometimes becomes necessary to deploy our military personnel in harms way.
It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize with impunity.
Think about THAT.

And those volunteer soldiers put a sacred trust in the president......their very lives

That is why it is critical for a President to investigate all available options before putting them in harms way

 

[Katzndogz]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

 

[jasonnfree]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

Obama's no prize, I'll give you that. This is what we get stuck with every four years. Hold your nose and vote for which one you think is the least worst. Get money out of politics, taxpayer funded elections only. Keep the big money interests out of elections.

 

[Truthseeker420]

War, Death,failure and destruction of the American economy is Dumbya's legacy

 

[healthmyths]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

who said this on Jan 23,2003
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "
Bush? Cheney?

Who said this in 2002? "Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs." "Bush/Cheney"

Who said:
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001

All made these statements BEFORE before Bush/Cheney!

Oh and Kerry and henry waxman said the first two quotes!!!

 

[healthmyths]

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDs.."Albright 1999


Bush and Cheney weren't in office during the above statements!!!

AGAIN where did that information come from BEFORE BUSH/CHENEY????

 

[rightwinger]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

who said this on Jan 23,2003
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "
Bush? Cheney?

Who said this in 2002? "Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs." "Bush/Cheney"

Who said:
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001

All made these statements BEFORE before Bush/Cheney!

Oh and Kerry and henry waxman said the first two quotes!!!

Did either one advocate immediate invasion?

 

[Surfer]

I think even Carter was better than what we have now.

 

[rightwinger]

Carter had a balanced budget

It was not till Reqgan that we started rampant debt

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, the Commander in Chief who first put them in harm's way.

If they were not there in the first place, would they be dead/maimed?

Not expecting a straight answer.
.

Bush violated that sacred trust time and again, and that is how it is being taught in the overwhelming number of colleges and schools.

Correctly so.

 

[healthmyths]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

who said this on Jan 23,2003
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "
Bush? Cheney?

Who said this in 2002? "Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs." "Bush/Cheney"

Who said:
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001

All made these statements BEFORE before Bush/Cheney!

Oh and Kerry and henry waxman said the first two quotes!!!

Did either one advocate immediate invasion?

Well let's see..
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "

Did you naively think that after dozens of UN resolutions, gassing his own people, starving 50,000 of his people a year.. he would say
"OH so sorry Mr. Bush... HERE we will disarm!"

IF KERRY the so-called war veteran had ANY experiences it was HE KNEW YOU CAN"T DISARM SOMEONE LIKE SADDAM WITH "Pretty please"..
The only way to disarm someone like Saddam was force!
And again... YOU keep forgetting the 1991 CEASE FIRE stipulated "CEASE FIRE" meaning if Saddam agreed to terms, a CEASE FIRE... BUT part of the terms
was Saddam had to abide by the terms! Or else...little school kid who obviously never dealt with nefarious adults... HE WOULD DO what he did... ignore the warnings... the resolutions and I along with 90% of Americans were pretty pissed when Saddam gleefully celebrated our 9/11 tragedy! Clapping as he did at the deaths just didn't seem
to indicate HE would if GWB said "pretty please" disarm???
How naive!

 

[JakeStarkey]

healthmyths does not make a case for invasion.

Only the UN can authorize enforcement of its resolutions, not any country on its own. Dead horse, hm.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Bush did not invade Iraq in violation of UN directives.

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by Iraqi troops during the 1990–1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

That's the UN resolution.

obama on the other hand is arming al quaeda and supporting cannibals and child killers.

This is what obama wants to give weapons to, at the same time he criminalizes self defense at home.

Syria: 'I saw rebels execute my boy for no more than a joke? - Telegraph

who said this on Jan 23,2003
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real "
Bush? Cheney?

Who said this in 2002? "Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs." "Bush/Cheney"

Who said:
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001

All made these statements BEFORE before Bush/Cheney!

Oh and Kerry and henry waxman said the first two quotes!!!

Do you have a point beyond a rewrite of history?
Did Clinton invade and occupy Iraq? Nope. He enforced a non-fly zone and non violent economic sanctions on Iraq; the comments you've noted above were in support of that policy. A policy which the neo-cons (yep Dick Cheney and the boys) considered weak.

See: Statement of Principles

The statement of principles is only one document those who want real historical background should review. The willfully ignorant can continue to repeat the same lies over and over and over. Those of us who were alive and aware know differently. The Project for a New American Century cost our nation dearly.

Notice who signed the principles, neo cons all, and one of them has been mentioned as a possible GOP nominee in 2016 (Jeb Bush). Of course the names of other neo cons will be familiar to those who watch Fox News.

Remember, "those who do not learn from history ..."