The birth of Zionist propaganda on film

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

 

[montelatici]

Seems to me that hostile people from Europe went to Palestine to take it over. But then facts are not the moron's forte'.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes, you just kill me.

What the Armistice Agreement says is that the UN arranged cease-fire does not IMPOSE on any party a border arrangement.​

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Indeed, the UN has no authority to create or change borders. The agreements specified that the armistice lines were not to be political or territorial borders. However, the agreements did reference existing international borders.

Let's analyze the armistice or green line.

(COMMENT)

I think you meant to say "Blue Line," the reworked 2007 demarcation line between Lebanon and Israel.

I think I knew what you meant to say.
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Line of Withdrawal of Israeli Forces from Lebanon​

In Lebanon, the green line followed the international border between Lebanon and Palestine. Since the green line is not a border, the international border between Lebanon and Palestine continued to exist. Remember the UN has no authority to change that border.

(COMMENT)

Well your assumptions are wrong, but we will not go there. Without Regard to the your ascertion on who has what authority, the current ground situation looks like this.

View attachment 98445​

It should be remembered that the letter from the Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General addressed the issue of the borders. The concerns of the President don't look anything like what our friend "P F Tinmore" presents.

Excerpt from A/54/914 S/2000/564 12 June 2000

Paragraph 13 of the report states that “the international boundary between Israel and Lebanon was established pursuant to the 1923 Agreement between France and Great Britain ...”, that “this line was reaffirmed in the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement signed on 23 March 1949” and that “subsequently there were several modifications mutually agreed by Israel and Lebanon”.
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While the Arab League does not recognize the Annexation of the Golan Heights, that is a discussion for another time.

In Syria, with some exceptions, the green line followed the international border between Syria and Palestine. Again, this made no change in the international border between Syria and Palestine.

In Egypt, except for the Gaza strip, the green line followed the international border between Egypt and Palestine. This made no change in the International border between Egypt and Palestine.

(COMMENT)

In terms of Syria, the boundary of former Armistice Agreement has change as an unintended consequence of the of their hostile action.

"One, whatever is beyond the border, the boundary itself will not change. Two, after 50 years, the time has come for the international community to finally recognize that the Golan Heights will remain under Israel's sovereignty permanently."

Israel seized parts of the Golan Heights, a strategic, rocky plateau to its northeast, from Syria in the 1967 Six Day War.

Syria unsuccessfully attempted to retake it during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, before Israel annexed the region in 1981 by extending its laws over the territory and its occupants.
SOURCE: Jerusalem CNN: By Oren Liebermann and Tim Hume, CNN
Updated 8:21 AM ET, Mon April 18, 2016

On a very similar note, the Border between Israel and Egypt is what it is:

Article II. The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, 1 without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
SOURCE: TREATY OF PEACE 1 BETWEEN THE ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL
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In Jordan, due to the West Bank and other military considerations, the green line did not follow the international border between Jordan and Palestine. This is irrelevant to this issue and did not change the international border.

(COMMENT)

Jordan was concerned with a very different issue. It was that some Israelis (an ever dwindling number) still have the notion that the historical Israel incapsulated the Dead Sea and extended beyond the Jordan River. Without regard for that argument, the best answer comes from the Treaty itself.

Article 3 - International Boundary Treaty of Peace Between The Hashemite Kingdom of JordanAnd The State of Israel October 26, 1994

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.
3. The Parties recognize the international boundary, as well as each other's territory, territorial waters and airspace, as inviolable, and will respect and comply with them.
4. The demarcation of the boundary will take place as set forth in Appendix (I) to Annex I and will be concluded not later than 9 months after the signing of the Treaty.
5. It is agreed that where the boundary follows a river, in the event of natural changes in the course of the flow of the river as described in Annex I (a), the boundary shall follow the new course of the flow. In the event of any other changes the boundary shall not be affected unless otherwise agreed.
6. Immediately upon the exchange of the instruments of ratification of this Treaty, each Party will deploy on its side of the international boundary as defined in Annex I (a).
7. The parties shall, upon the signature of the Treaty, enter into negotiations to conclude, within 9 months, an agreement on the delimitation of their maritime boundary in the Gulf of Aqaba.
8. Taking into account the special circumstances of the Baqura/Naharayim area, which is under Jordanian sovereignty, with Israeli private ownership rights, the Parties agree to apply the provisions set out in Annex I (b).
9. With respect to the Al-Ghamr/Zofar area, the provisions set out in Annex I (c) will apply.
SOURCE: The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994, at the southern border crossing of Wadi ‘Araba. The treaty guaranteed Jordan the restoration of its occupied land (approximately 380 square kilometers), as well as an equitable share of water from the Yarmouk and Jordan rivers. Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time, putting an end to the dangerous and false Zionist claim that “Jordan is Palestine.”​

As you can see by the Treaty, the Jordanians essentially default the the Mandate Map (1922), well before the Armistice Lines were ever drawn. "The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers." (Annex 1a)

The green line around the West Bank and Gaza strip followed no borders. Its location was based on the location of military forces at the time of the armistice. Since it could not be a political or territorial border, it ran through Palestine. It was Palestine on both sides of the green line. The green line inside Palestine merely defined different areas occupation.

(COMMENT)

The former "Green Line" was NOT made for the benefit of the Arab Palestinian. BOTH the Armistice Agreements for which the Armistices Lines established, have language in Article XII that stipulates that the Armistice shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved. Essentially, the Green Lines become historical and drop its authority.

Why, because at the time of the conflict, on which the Armistice Lines were drawn, ended and the Arab Palestinians were NOT a party to either the Armistice or the Peace Treaties. And that is because they opted out to become a Self-Governing nation; because it wasn't enough. Now it looks like they are going to get considerably less territory. That would be if they fell into chaos like Egypt and Syrian did.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Unless it suits you and the other islamonazi's.

Your post was addressed and you were once more shown to be a complete and utter moron that refuses to accept the Jews have rights as well. It also shows that your "borders" happen to be those of the mandate of palestine, as stated in the UN armistice agreements

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

They did not need one as there was no state of palestine, and still isnt

 

[Phoenall]

As can be seen, the Zionists started using film propaganda early.

The myth of "Jews making the desert bloom", was based on a clip from this film. The beach sand dunes, with invaders standing around, were filmed with productive Christian and Muslim owned orchards just behind the photographer. This was what created the myth.

Most of the Zionist supporting morons here believe this myth and actually mention in their posts.

*snip jew haters video*

the rise of pro palestinian terrorist propaganda started with vanessa redgrave.

more importantly is that it's probably time for you to learn something about history.

*shrug*

NO JILLIAN the rights(NOT PROPAGANDA) for Palestinian Freedom started in 1948.......Redgrave was a late starter....steven ps this maybe the time for you to understand Zionist/Palestinian history lady.....just sayin

And just what rights did they have in 1948 then, or is this something you cant find because the hate sites dont list them.

What about the Jews rights, and that is all the Jews with no exception's from 1948. OR DO YOU WANT TO REMOVE ALL THE RIGHTS FROM THE JEWS AND SEE THEM WIPED OUT

Silly and Very Immature response Pheo......I am an advocate for a peaceful Israel and peaceful Palestine....UNLIKE YOU and the Zionist rabble who desire to expel all Palestinians and drive them into the Sea.....You failed in 1948-50 and will always fail because unlike you The Palestinians are a Semitic People...like Real Jews.........not like You who is a convert to Zionist Terrorism and a SYNTHETIC.

When have I ever said I want to see Jews WIPED OUT......Never,these statements you falsely make are a mad machination of your SAD sullied BRAIN steve

In other words you have been shown to be a complete moron again and need a way out.

YOU ARE A JEW HATING POS ISLAMONAZI STOOGE THAT USES ANTI ZIONISM AS THE NEW ANTI SEMITISM. WHY WOULD I WANT TO SEE THE JEWS, THE ONLY TRUE PALESTINIANS, DRIVEN INTO THE SEA. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE ARAB MUSLIM TERRORIST SCUM NECK SHOT AND THEIR BODIES FED TO THE SEA.
NOW ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE JEWS, WHY DO YOU ATTEMPT TO DENY THEM THEIR RIGHTS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAWS BY USING RACIST COMMENTS REGARDING ZIONISTS WHO ARE TRUE JEWS. HAVE YOU BEEN EXPERIMENTING WITH RED BACKS AGAIN TO SEE HOW HIGH YOU CAN GET.
IF I WAS A CONVERT I WOULD BE PROUD TO BE A JEW AND SEE THE LIKES OF YOU FALL WHEN SHOT FOR ATTACKING ISRAEL. I WOULD EVEN FIRE THE SHOTS THAT WOULD TAKE YOU OUT TO RID THE WORLD OF ONE MORE ISLAMINAZI TERRORIST SCUM.

 

[Phoenall]

Just facts. You are the purveyor of Zionist propaganda, that's all you know. You haven't had the ability to recognize fact.

Nutjobs always feel like they are the only sane ones and everyone else is stupid or insane.

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Now,Now Divine

You disagree? Have you ever dealt with or studied the mentally ill?

Add to this the number of mentally ill online is easily double or triple the population. Sure, we're all a bit nuts to some degree, but I'm talking about people with mental issues that need treatment; either therapy or medication. Among the most common are fervent conspiracy theorists. I'm not talking about those who kind of wonder if there was a second gunman in Dallas 1963, but who have zero doubt that it was LBJ and the CIA who had JFK assassinated or that Bush was behind 9/11.

In this case, we have antisemitics who fervently believe ZOG agents exist with a plan to dominate the world by controlling the United States of America.

I have much interest and work closely with the mentally ill.........we introduced a programme helping Drug Addicted people with great success,importantly we can offer employment which has helped so many in these situations......unlike most I don't sit on my Ass but do practical things to help people.........There but for the Grace of God,could go all of us.....steve

SO YOU ADMIT YOU ARE AN INMATE OF THE LOCAL ASYLUM

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

Then why cant we find any mention of it in any archives. Who declared it a state, who was its leader, what was its currency, what were its borders and who negotiated them with the surrounding nations



IN OTHER WORD PUT UP OR SHUT UP, SHOW THE EVIDENCE IN FULL THAT STATES PALESTINE WAS A STATE IN 1924. NOT THAT THE LoN HAS DELINEATED THE BORDERS OF THE PALESTINIAN MANDATE.

 

[Phoenall]

Seems to me that hostile people from Europe went to Palestine to take it over. But then facts are not the moron's forte'.

AND YOU WOULD BE WRONG ONCE AGAIN AS THE HOSTILES WERE ALREADY THERE IN THE FORM OF ARAB MUSLIM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard this nonsense as well.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

(COMMENT)

I've seen this argument when the pro-Palestinians attempt to argue that Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne --- having to do with "nationality" overrides Article 16 having to do with "territory" and the transfer of "title and "rights.

This is the weakest of all arguments.

The assignment of a nationality has no being on the territorial title and rights.

Please don't try to pass-off a very false scope, nature and intent of the various Treaty Articles and sections.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

"Palestine has been a state since 1924".....because I say so!

I believe this fantastical invention of your mythical "country of Pal'istan has become an OCD-like psychosomatic disorder.

 

[Divine Wind]

.......UNLIKE YOU and the Zionist rabble who desire to expel all Palestinians and drive them into the Sea.....You failed in 1948-50 and will always fail because unlike you The Palestinians are a Semitic People...like Real Jews.........not like You who is a convert to Zionist Terrorism and a SYNTHETIC.

When have I ever said I want to see Jews WIPED OUT......Never,these statements you falsely make are a mad machination of your SAD sullied BRAIN steve

The Arabs attacked Israel, dude. Many Palestinians left Israel to get out of the way of Arab tanks and with Arab assurance they could return once Israel was destroyed. That didn't happen.

So what did happen? 20% of the Israeli population is Arab. Neither the American or Israeli government is advocating driving any peaceful Arabs into the sea. OTOH, there are plenty of Islamic governments advocating "Death to Israel" and "Death to America". Those fuckers will be driven into the sea if they try to make good on their hate. Capice?

 

[Divine Wind]

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

...I believe this fantastical invention of your mythical "country of Pal'istan has become an OCD-like psychosomatic disorder.

Agreed. He must be from Egypt living on De Nile.

Palestine was never a state before Israel. It was a chunk of territory the Brits carved out for itself after beating the Ottomans in WWI.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

"Palestine has been a state since 1924".....because I say so!

I believe this fantastical invention of your mythical "country of Pal'istan has become an OCD-like psychosomatic disorder.

Palestine is a state. It was common knowledge until the Palestinian issue was buried in Israeli bullshit.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia​

 

[Divine Wind]

Palestine is a state.....

You're dancing and dishonesty on this issue is typical of fanatics.

Previously it was claimed Palestine was a state in 1924. It wasn't. Later it was claimed the UN made it a state decades after Israel was recognized as a state. That is true.

From your Wiki link:
Palestinehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...tine&diff=next&oldid=458697488#endnote_naming (Arabic: فلسطين‎‎ Filasṭīn/Falasṭīn/Filisṭīn), officially declared as the State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين‎‎, Dawlat Filasṭin),[1][2][3] is a state that was proclaimed in exile in Algiers on 15 November 1988, when the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) National Council(PNC) adopted the unilateral Palestinian Declaration of Independence. At the time of the 1988 declaration, the PLO did not exercise control over any territory,[4] and its claimed territory remains under Israelioccupation.[5] It claims the Palestinian territories[1] and has designated Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.[ii][2][3]

 

[montelatici]

The Arab League intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the native Christians and Muslims by the European Jews. The Jews came from Europe, the Christians and Muslims were the native people living in Palestine. Your story makes no sense, it's a myth. The Christians and Muslims began fleeing because the European Jews were massacring Christian and Muslim men, women and children causing them to flee. British intelligence reports that were recently declassified make it clear you are full of shit.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".....they are fleeing from the mixed areas in their thousands. It is now obvious that the only hope of regaining their position lies in the regular armies of the Arab states."

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[Divine Wind]

Accusations of ethnic cleansing from an antisemitic Islamic terrorist supporter is the height of irony.

 

[Hollie]

The Arab League intervened in an attempt to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the native Christians and Muslims by the European Jews. The Jews came from Europe, the Christians and Muslims were the native people living in Palestine. Your story makes no sense, it's a myth. The Christians and Muslims began fleeing because the European Jews were massacring Christian and Muslim men, women and children causing them to flee. British intelligence reports that were recently declassified make it clear you are full of shit.

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'
After an increase in violent attacks by the militant Zionists of the Stern group and Irgun, British officials reported later in 1946: "Arab leaders appear to be still disposed to defer active opposition so long as a chance of a political decision acceptable to Arab interests exists." But they warned: "There is a real danger lest any further Jewish provocation may result in isolated acts of retaliation spreading inevitably to wider Arab-Jewish clashes".....they are fleeing from the mixed areas in their thousands. It is now obvious that the only hope of regaining their position lies in the regular armies of the Arab states."

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

Yes, yes, Monty. The article you cut and pasted is another of the articles you cut and paste across multiple threads multiple times.

What you don't acknowledge is that the stated goal of the Arab league (the Arab league armies which invaded the Pal'istanians territories), had a stated goal of destroying the nascent Jewish State. Your profound ignorance causes you not to understand that it was the Arab league armies who were the aggressors.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, HOLLIE, et al,

Yeah, this is a very old an poorly interpreted citation. It is another disparate attempt to suggest that the Palestinian People were denied something by the Allied Powers, When it was the Allied Powers who authored, published and implemented every single document related to the original intention, the San Remo Agreement, ALL the Treaties (Mudros, Sevres, Lausanne),--- the Palestine Order in Council. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) is Titled: "Treaty of Peace between the Allied and Associated Powers and Germany." Absolutely nothing in the Treaty of Versailles (1920) covers the Treaty Actions with the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic or the Treaty of Sevres (The Treaty was signed between the Allied and Associated Powers and Turkey at Sevres); or the later Treaty of Lausanne. Lawyers sometimes include references that simply don't allied to camouflage the truth and waste research time.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

"Palestine has been a state since 1924".....because I say so!

I believe this fantastical invention of your mythical "country of Pal'istan has become an OCD-like psychosomatic disorder.

Palestine is a state. It was common knowledge until the Palestinian issue was buried in Israeli bullshit.

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia​

(COMMENT)

The Department of State, like other people, shift policy, have internal factions that agree and disagree on various subjects. Policy and interpretations may change over night because such policies are politically driven.

If you bothered to read Judgement #5 PCIJ, you will find that when the court determined the liability on the Government of Palestine (GoP), that the court considered the GoP to be the Mandatory, which was Britain.

The Law of Succession only comes into play if a country is unattended through self-government or other circumstance. In the case of the territory of the former Ottoman Empire outside the Turkish Republic, Article 16 (Treaty of Lausanne) stipulates the hand to which the title and rights to the territory apply. Successing and future of the territories were in the hands of the Allied Powers; and they applied the Mandate System.

Another slippery stance the Hostile Arab Palestinian forgets is that they cannot really hold any of the Allied Powers Agreements, Treaties, Armistices, or Conventions to which they are not a party.

That would be like Myself and Tinmore entering into a binding agreement; and THEN other friend, "THELIQ," coming along afterwards and trying to tell the true actual parties to the Allied Powers Agreements, Treaties, Armistices, and Conventions -- how to interpret and apply them. It is almost as bad as the Hostile Arab Palestinian that tries to apply retroactive prohibitions to events of 50 or 100 years ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why don't you just address my post without throwing in a lot of politics. Politics cannot change borders.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course politics can change borders. Its called a treaty.

Good post.

What treaty did Israel have with Palestine to change borders?

Link?

(COMMENT)

Up until 1988, there was no assemblance of any state entity known to represent the Arab Palestinian. The term "treaty" applies to an international agreement between States.
It was only in December 1988 that the UN acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988. Only "States" possess the capacity to be a party to treaties. In the acknowledgement, the UN decided to replace the name Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the name "Palestine" in the UN system.

On 6 January 2016, the UN reaffirmed, the State of Palestine [(resolutions 3237 (XXIX), 22 November 1974; 43/177, 15 December 1988; 52/250, 7 July 1998; and 67/19, 29 November 2012)] would be listed as a non-member and an entity having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

The initiation of a treaty can be started by any power. But most often by the Major Powers of the World; which have often initiated treaties and armistice arrangements. In the case of the Arab Palestinians, the PLO have been the only good faith representative that has extended themselves successfully in the last two decades.

In August 1988, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank and withdrew its sovereignty leaving it in the hands of the effective control of Israel. While the Israelis did not stand in the way of the PLO Declaration of Independence; which stipulated that the "territory covered was:

• Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and
• Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:
​

For which the General Assemble replied:

• Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;
​

(THE LONG and the SHORT OF IT)

In the "Question of Palestine" it takes two to tango. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians, the leadership behind them, which actively work the incite, encourage, and further Jihadist, the Fedayeen, the Insurgents, the Radical Islamist, the Resistance Activist, and Asymmetric Extremist that pursue a course of action specifically targeting civilians and with the intent to harm the Occupation Force in violation of Article 68 GCIV.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has been a state since 1924. A state continues to exist even when it is under occupation.

"Palestine has been a state since 1924".....because I say so!

I believe this fantastical invention of your mythical "country of Pal'istan has become an OCD-like psychosomatic disorder.

Until he produces the link that says palestine was a state under international law he is just blowing hot air. All he has is the interpretation of international treaties by an islamonazi propagandist and his altered words of said treaties. He omits the words mandate of every time he posts the link, just as he omits the description "to be called palestine" when the treaties talk of the mandate of palestine. I remind him he owes at least 500 links now before he will get one in return