The bigger censorship offender- Private Sector or Government?

[BlindBoo]

The press/media is free to publish whatever it wants. The Government has no mechanism to force them to publish opposing pollical views or opinions. The Fairness Doctrine which was ruled constitutional was dropped in the late 80's because our sources for news had become so eclectic by then that it was no longer necessary. The diversity of news sources has only increased.

Not publishing something is not censorship.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

Neither.

The First Amendment prohibits government from censoring speech inconsistent with First Amendment case law.

The private sector isn’t subject to the First Amendment – private entities are at liberty to speak out against that which they consider inappropriate, where such opposition does not constitute ‘censorship.’

With regard to private social media, likewise not subject to the doctrine of free speech, they are at liberty to edit their content as they see fit, where how they edit content also does not constitute ‘censorship.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It seems to be a misuse of the word in calling private enterprise manipulation of information exchange "censorship".

The left actively pushes the notion that suppressing speech is only called censorship when the government does it, but this is not true. Social media, political forum sites, employers, or any controlling body that has the power to censor speech can engage in censorship.

Wrong.

The ‘left’ is correct that ‘censorship’ is the sole purview of government.

Again, as private entities, social media are at liberty to edit their content as they see fit – where how they edit their content is not ‘censorship.’

Conservatives need to stop propagating the lie that social media are ‘hostile’ to conservative views.

 

[Blues Man]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

As far as the law is concerned the Constitution only protects you from government censorship.

And in reality no private sector person of entity can stop you from saying anything and all they can really do is deny you an audience.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

Only government can censor because it alone has the comprehensive authority to do so – it can pass laws making it illegal to publish, report, or otherwise disseminate information the government opposes; it has the power to put publishers in jail and shut down newspapers and other media outlets.

Fortunately, in the United States, we have the First Amendment and freedom of the press placing limits and restrictions on what information government may preempt or prohibit.

That’s not the case for private entities such as social media, they have neither the comprehensive power nor authority to censor – social media can’t pass laws, they can’t put people in jail, and they can’t shutdown other media outlets.

As already correctly noted: that private media might elect to not disseminate certain information does not constitute ‘censorship.’

Again, conservatives need to stop pushing this ridiculous lie.

 

[EvMetro]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

Neither.

The First Amendment prohibits government from censoring speech inconsistent with First Amendment case law.

The private sector isn’t subject to the First Amendment – private entities are at liberty to speak out against that which they consider inappropriate, where such opposition does not constitute ‘censorship.’

With regard to private social media, likewise not subject to the doctrine of free speech, they are at liberty to edit their content as they see fit, where how they edit content also does not constitute ‘censorship.’

You missed the second paragraph of the opening post. You quoted it here, but you evaded the second paragraph.

 

[EvMetro]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

As far as the law is concerned the Constitution only protects you from government censorship.

And in reality no private sector person of entity can stop you from saying anything and all they can really do is deny you an audience.

You failed to demonstrate that you read and understood the opening post. You answered a different topic that is not what this thread is about.

 

[Blues Man]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

As far as the law is concerned the Constitution only protects you from government censorship.

And in reality no private sector person of entity can stop you from saying anything and all they can really do is deny you an audience.

You failed to demonstrate that you read and understood the opening post. You answered a different topic that is not what this thread is about.

It's all related.

The private sector cannot censor you because you are still able to say and write whatever you want.

The only thing any private sector entity can do is deny you the use of their venue be that a physical location or an electronic one.

 

[dblack]

Censorship is censorship ...

No. Government censorship is profoundly different. The fact that so many idiots don't get this, and are willing to give up real freedom of speech for short term political gain, is deeply disturbing.

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

Private sector by far. That's the way it's supposed to be.

 

[Camp]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

Private censorship is called freedom of speech and freedom of the press. What you are calling censorship is a First Amendment Constitutional right.

 

[SC Patriot]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

The private sector censors more speech. They are allowed to. It is THEIR freedom. You don't like it, don't access their platform. Boycott. Start another. Whatever.

But as a conservative, I do not agree with government telling private enterprises they must adhere to the 1st A........it only applies to government.

 

[dblack]

I think of all people Justice Thomas has figured this one out.

Facebook, Twitter and Youtube are so large they ....

Yes, yes... the "virtual" monopoly argument. Statists love that one.

 

[dblack]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

The private sector sensors more speech. They are allowed to. It is THEIR freedom. You don't like it, don't access their platform. Boycott. Start another. Whatever.

But as a conservative, I do not agree with government telling private enterprises they must adhere to the 1st A........it only applies to government.

Trumpsters do not understand "freedom". Nor "conservative". They just want powerl.

 

[dblack]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

As far as the law is concerned the Constitution only protects you from government censorship.

And in reality no private sector person of entity can stop you from saying anything and all they can really do is deny you an audience.

You failed to demonstrate that you read and understood the opening post. You answered a different topic that is not what this thread is about.

It's all related.

The private sector cannot censor you because you are still able to say and write whatever you want.

They can still "censor" you, but just in the context of their platform. It's all the usual equivocation bullshit. No one can argue honestly anymore.

 

[dblack]

It seems to be a misuse of the word in calling private enterprise manipulation of information exchange "censorship".

The left actively pushes the notion that suppressing speech is only called censorship when the government does it, but this is not true. Social media, political forum sites, employers, or any controlling body that has the power to censor speech can engage in censorship.

Censorship is only illegal when the government does it. Some people think of "censorship" as "illegal censorship". You all are just playing word games.

 

[Blues Man]

Censorship is censorship, regardless of if the government does it, or if the private sector does it. Our freedom of speech rights are supposed to protect us from government censorship, but the private sector is allowed to censor. On that note, who censors more speech?

For those who will be derailing this thread, here is the question again: who censors more speech- the government or the private sector? This is what the thread is about.

As far as the law is concerned the Constitution only protects you from government censorship.

And in reality no private sector person of entity can stop you from saying anything and all they can really do is deny you an audience.

You failed to demonstrate that you read and understood the opening post. You answered a different topic that is not what this thread is about.

It's all related.

The private sector cannot censor you because you are still able to say and write whatever you want.

They can still "censor" you, but just in the context of their platform. It's all the usual equivocation bullshit. No one can argue honestly anymore.

Agreed.

 

[dblack]

Government censorship is, appropriately, constrained by the First Amendment - and is something we should rarely tolerate.

But private censorship happens all the time. It's like "discrimination". Every person, every business, does it every day. We censor ourselves every time we speak, or write, or put things on a web page. We make judgement calls on what we want to put out there and what we don't. This is the right, and responsibility, of every person, every business.

I'm actually hearing people make the claim that only government should be able to censor speech, not private entities. Which is, bizarrely, exactly the opposite of what the First Amendment intends.

 

[EvMetro]

The private sector censors more speech.

Excellent! Your reply demonstrates that you read and understood the opening post. The rest of what you posted was meant to defend censorship.

 

[SC Patriot]

The private sector censors more speech.

Excellent! Your reply demonstrates that you read and understood the opening post. The rest of what you posted was meant to defend censorship.

poor comprehension.

I support the free market.

If Costco chooses to NOT sell dunkin donuts coffee, that is not censorship. That is a business decision.

There is no such thing as censorship in a free market environment.....the only one who is not allowed to censor is the federal government.

 

[Blues Man]

The private sector censors more speech.

Excellent! Your reply demonstrates that you read and understood the opening post. The rest of what you posted was meant to defend censorship.

There is no law that prevents the private sector from censoring anyone or anything.

That said you can still say or write anything you want with no censorship whatsoever as long as you provide the means to write or say it so it doesn't matter if a private sector entity censors you on their platforms.