The Balfour Declaration

I do not know its accuracy, but one source says that one reason for the Declaration is that the British government wanted the Jewish people in the United States to add their influence in getting the then-neutral United States into World War One.


The source is Alison Weir and she never backed up that claim with any evidence.
Well documented and irrefutable.

Alison Weir - The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel



She lost me in the first 30 seconds when she said something about "the latest massacre". Now, I have no idea when this was filmed or what she thinks the "latest massacre" was -- but anyone who uses that language is not going to have any valid criticisms of Israel.

(On the video click play and then on YOUTUBE, and it will take you directly to the youtube site and the video )

Published on Aug 1, 2014

TalkingStickTV - Alison Weir - The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel
 
You have a habit of announcing your conspiracy theories as "well documented and irrefutable", until they're not.
Of course you will not refute anything she said.

Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:

Why don’t you provide a synopsis of the salient points and provide some commentary.
 
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:
All she does is talk and talk, show slides and that is it.
Nothing she says is proof of anything which would or should delegitimize the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine as the recreation of the sovereign Nation of the Jews.

yacki ti yacki ti yack :)

Did you hear anything which would suggest otherwise from the video, point it out to us. From which minute?
The information is pretty intertwined but if you start about 30:30 you can skip to the relevant part.
How does the saying goes?

If someone tells you that Muslims, Christians and Jews in the late 19th Century in Palestine were :

1) "All Living Together Quite Successfully"

2) "These Populations Had Been Living together without conflict for centuries"

And those are just in the few minutes after 30:30 min which you mentioned.....

What planet do you think that person lived on?


“What planet do you think that person lived on?”

The one with no oxygen to support life as we know it.
 
Well documented and irrefutable.

Alison Weir - The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel



You have a habit of announcing your conspiracy theories as "well documented and irrefutable", until they're not.

Of course you will not refute anything she said.


Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?

You don't understand how a discussion board works.


Usually when people have little to say, they keep spamming with YouTube.
Discussion is when people converse - not videos.

You should try talking like a real person.

You can TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Of course you will not refute anything she said.

Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:

Why don’t you provide a synopsis of the salient points and provide some commentary.
Stop using words you know Not the meaning of,,,,thanks
 
"The reaction in Egypt remained decidedly pro Zionism well into the first half of the 1930’s, the Government reportedly banned the word ‘Palestine’ from Friday prayers, according to the Leila Ahmed.

The Wafed Government shutdown the sole Palestinian publication with the charge of being pro Palestinian propaganda. Zionist newspapers and magazines continued to operate freely well into the late 1940’s, according to Awatef Abdel Rahman."
----
The article goes on to claim that while refugee ships from Europe during the Holocaust were routinely turned back by Western nations, Egypt welcomed them. I have no idea if this is true.

....Yad Vashem, other memorials and Holocaust history in general, offers no special recognition of the role that Egypt and Egyptians played in saving the lives of Jews. A disgusting byproduct of the recent rise of anti-Semitism in Egypt with the wide circulation of books by Holocaust deniers states that few Egyptians are even aware of this important history that Egypt and all Egyptians should be proud of.

This seems incredible. If true, this should all be publicized.

(full article online)

Was Egypt pro-Zionist after Balfour? ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
Apologies 60's I misread the "1930's"...you are probably right on that score BUT everthing changed after 1945 for obvious reasons

Most Arab nations resent the Palestinians (and Jewish people) because the P's and J's are so much smarter than they are......These Countries just LOVE the Status-Quo and are a hinderance to the Palestinians and Jews....steve
1) The reasons are obvious to you, not to anyone else.

2) Arab nations did not resent the Arabs living in Palestine. They used
those Arabs in many ways, and in the worse ways in their attempt to destroy Israel. That goes to the leaders like Arafat, as well.

3) The Hindrance to Peace between Israel and the PA are the PA and other Arab leaders. Read their charters. They won't give the main ideology written in them up.

4) The Arabs in the PA are given more opportunities for jobs and education than the ones in Gaza, which is why so many would rather become Israeli citizens than PA citizens.

Nothing has changed in the Muslim/Arab mentality and ideology about Jews and Christians . The Jews/Israel had to be stronger and remain stronger than all the Arab countries put together to survive what was very clear the Arab Nation intention.

When people come to learn and understand what the Muslim/Arab mentality is about non Muslims, it may help in the peace process.

There is no peace, since 1920, because Muslim mentality will not accept Jews as sovereign of any land ever conquered by Muslims.

Egypt and Jordan wanted peace because they suffered economic hardship because of the wars against Israel.
Unfortunately we have so many Muslim countries like Qatar and Iran, sponsoring Hamas and the PA that it makes it impossible to bring those two groups to want to negotiate for peace as Egypt and Jordan did.

With or without the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish People would eventually have succeeded in declaring sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland.

There is no Muslim resentment over Jews being "smarter" then the Muslims.
Read the Quran, and read all other writings. Al Husseini was not "jealous" of Jews, he felt the usual Muslim superiority to Jews as taught in the Quran since Mohammad.

At what point in the previous 13 centuries, Muslims attacked Jews because they were "jealous" of them for any reason?

And it goes on.....
FCUK ME but what has most of this have to do with my post 60's ...........st
 
Of course you will not refute anything she said.

Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:
All she does is talk and talk, show slides and that is it.
Nothing she says is proof of anything which would or should delegitimize the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine as the recreation of the sovereign Nation of the Jews.

yacki ti yacki ti yack :)

Did you hear anything which would suggest otherwise from the video, point it out to us. From which minute?
Nobody needs to delegitimize the Balfour Declaration. It was a promise by Britain to give away something that was not theirs.

It was illegitimate on its face.
 
Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:
All she does is talk and talk, show slides and that is it.
Nothing she says is proof of anything which would or should delegitimize the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine as the recreation of the sovereign Nation of the Jews.

yacki ti yacki ti yack :)

Did you hear anything which would suggest otherwise from the video, point it out to us. From which minute?
Nobody needs to delegitimize the Balfour Declaration. It was a promise by Britain to give away something that was not theirs.

It was illegitimate on its face.

False premise. That’s why your attempt to rewrite history fails.
 
"The reaction in Egypt remained decidedly pro Zionism well into the first half of the 1930’s, the Government reportedly banned the word ‘Palestine’ from Friday prayers, according to the Leila Ahmed.

The Wafed Government shutdown the sole Palestinian publication with the charge of being pro Palestinian propaganda. Zionist newspapers and magazines continued to operate freely well into the late 1940’s, according to Awatef Abdel Rahman."
----
The article goes on to claim that while refugee ships from Europe during the Holocaust were routinely turned back by Western nations, Egypt welcomed them. I have no idea if this is true.

....Yad Vashem, other memorials and Holocaust history in general, offers no special recognition of the role that Egypt and Egyptians played in saving the lives of Jews. A disgusting byproduct of the recent rise of anti-Semitism in Egypt with the wide circulation of books by Holocaust deniers states that few Egyptians are even aware of this important history that Egypt and all Egyptians should be proud of.

This seems incredible. If true, this should all be publicized.

(full article online)

Was Egypt pro-Zionist after Balfour? ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
Apologies 60's I misread the "1930's"...you are probably right on that score BUT everthing changed after 1945 for obvious reasons

Most Arab nations resent the Palestinians (and Jewish people) because the P's and J's are so much smarter than they are......These Countries just LOVE the Status-Quo and are a hinderance to the Palestinians and Jews....steve
1) The reasons are obvious to you, not to anyone else.

2) Arab nations did not resent the Arabs living in Palestine. They used
those Arabs in many ways, and in the worse ways in their attempt to destroy Israel. That goes to the leaders like Arafat, as well.

3) The Hindrance to Peace between Israel and the PA are the PA and other Arab leaders. Read their charters. They won't give the main ideology written in them up.

4) The Arabs in the PA are given more opportunities for jobs and education than the ones in Gaza, which is why so many would rather become Israeli citizens than PA citizens.

Nothing has changed in the Muslim/Arab mentality and ideology about Jews and Christians . The Jews/Israel had to be stronger and remain stronger than all the Arab countries put together to survive what was very clear the Arab Nation intention.

When people come to learn and understand what the Muslim/Arab mentality is about non Muslims, it may help in the peace process.

There is no peace, since 1920, because Muslim mentality will not accept Jews as sovereign of any land ever conquered by Muslims.

Egypt and Jordan wanted peace because they suffered economic hardship because of the wars against Israel.
Unfortunately we have so many Muslim countries like Qatar and Iran, sponsoring Hamas and the PA that it makes it impossible to bring those two groups to want to negotiate for peace as Egypt and Jordan did.

With or without the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish People would eventually have succeeded in declaring sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland.

There is no Muslim resentment over Jews being "smarter" then the Muslims.
Read the Quran, and read all other writings. Al Husseini was not "jealous" of Jews, he felt the usual Muslim superiority to Jews as taught in the Quran since Mohammad.

At what point in the previous 13 centuries, Muslims attacked Jews because they were "jealous" of them for any reason?

And it goes on.....
FCUK ME but what has most of this have to do with my post 60's ...........st
F YOU indeed :)

Which one of your points did I not address?
 
Am I going to refute your YouTube video? How will your YouTube video respond to my comments?

If I post a YouTube video in response/rebuttal to your YouTube video, how will your YouTube video respond?
You don't understand how a discussion board works.

What has your YouTube video discussed?
You have to watch it first, duh. :eusa_doh:
All she does is talk and talk, show slides and that is it.
Nothing she says is proof of anything which would or should delegitimize the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate for Palestine as the recreation of the sovereign Nation of the Jews.

yacki ti yacki ti yack :)

Did you hear anything which would suggest otherwise from the video, point it out to us. From which minute?
Nobody needs to delegitimize the Balfour Declaration. It was a promise by Britain to give away something that was not theirs.

It was illegitimate on its face.
What you really mean is that, if the land had been promised to Muslims or Christians you would not have had any issues with how it was given, any more than you have shown any problems with Lebanon, Iraq and Syria being given to Arab Muslims and not their Muslim or any other religion indigenous inhabitants of those new countries.

But, thanks for showing one more time how you do not know history, and do not care about it, that you did not criticize one thing, at all, which Alison Weir said in her video.

Thanks for the very interesting discussion about the whole video, which you chose to post here. Which had WHAT to do with the Balfour
Declaration?
 
J-Street has a page dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration, including criticism of the document by this supposedly "pro-Israel" organization.

[T]he Declaration didn’t explicitly mention the rights of the indigenous Palestinian people who had inhabited the land for centuries and, most importantly, failed to recognize the Palestinian right to self-determination in a national home alongside the Jewish state. In many ways, these omissions laid the groundwork for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Jeremy Ben Ami adds:
As we mark 100 years since the Balfour Declaration and even celebrate the first international recognition of the cause of Jewish national independence in the modern era, there seems to me to be good reason to take equal notice of the century of violence and the ongoing conflicts that trace their origins to the mistakes and gamesmanship of the Balfour era.Really? There was no Arab violence against Jews in Palestine before 1917?

Idiot.

But what is more interesting is that this "pro-peace" group did not say a word about the most successful peace event of the past century for Israel - the 40th anniversary of Sadat's visit to Jerusalem, which happened this month.

(full article online)

40th anniversary of Sadat's visit ignored by "pro-peace" groups ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
 
"The reaction in Egypt remained decidedly pro Zionism well into the first half of the 1930’s, the Government reportedly banned the word ‘Palestine’ from Friday prayers, according to the Leila Ahmed.

The Wafed Government shutdown the sole Palestinian publication with the charge of being pro Palestinian propaganda. Zionist newspapers and magazines continued to operate freely well into the late 1940’s, according to Awatef Abdel Rahman."
----
The article goes on to claim that while refugee ships from Europe during the Holocaust were routinely turned back by Western nations, Egypt welcomed them. I have no idea if this is true.

....Yad Vashem, other memorials and Holocaust history in general, offers no special recognition of the role that Egypt and Egyptians played in saving the lives of Jews. A disgusting byproduct of the recent rise of anti-Semitism in Egypt with the wide circulation of books by Holocaust deniers states that few Egyptians are even aware of this important history that Egypt and all Egyptians should be proud of.

This seems incredible. If true, this should all be publicized.

(full article online)

Was Egypt pro-Zionist after Balfour? ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
Apologies 60's I misread the "1930's"...you are probably right on that score BUT everthing changed after 1945 for obvious reasons

Most Arab nations resent the Palestinians (and Jewish people) because the P's and J's are so much smarter than they are......These Countries just LOVE the Status-Quo and are a hinderance to the Palestinians and Jews....steve
1) The reasons are obvious to you, not to anyone else.

2) Arab nations did not resent the Arabs living in Palestine. They used
those Arabs in many ways, and in the worse ways in their attempt to destroy Israel. That goes to the leaders like Arafat, as well.

3) The Hindrance to Peace between Israel and the PA are the PA and other Arab leaders. Read their charters. They won't give the main ideology written in them up.

4) The Arabs in the PA are given more opportunities for jobs and education than the ones in Gaza, which is why so many would rather become Israeli citizens than PA citizens.

Nothing has changed in the Muslim/Arab mentality and ideology about Jews and Christians . The Jews/Israel had to be stronger and remain stronger than all the Arab countries put together to survive what was very clear the Arab Nation intention.

When people come to learn and understand what the Muslim/Arab mentality is about non Muslims, it may help in the peace process.

There is no peace, since 1920, because Muslim mentality will not accept Jews as sovereign of any land ever conquered by Muslims.

Egypt and Jordan wanted peace because they suffered economic hardship because of the wars against Israel.
Unfortunately we have so many Muslim countries like Qatar and Iran, sponsoring Hamas and the PA that it makes it impossible to bring those two groups to want to negotiate for peace as Egypt and Jordan did.

With or without the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish People would eventually have succeeded in declaring sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland.

There is no Muslim resentment over Jews being "smarter" then the Muslims.
Read the Quran, and read all other writings. Al Husseini was not "jealous" of Jews, he felt the usual Muslim superiority to Jews as taught in the Quran since Mohammad.

At what point in the previous 13 centuries, Muslims attacked Jews because they were "jealous" of them for any reason?

And it goes on.....
FCUK ME but what has most of this have to do with my post 60's ...........st
F YOU indeed :)

Which one of your points did I not address?
That didn't sound quite right 60's...st
 
Hamas on Saturday marked the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration by emphasizing its commitment to the liberation of all of “Palestine”.

The 1917 Balfour Declaration, issued by then-British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour, proclaimed Britain’s support for the establishment of a Jewish national home in then-Palestine.

Palestinian Arab organizations have in recent months been waging a campaign aimed at forcing Britain to apologize for the document. The Palestinian Authority cabinet in Ramallah has demanded not just a British apology for the document, but also compensation.

In a statement posted on its website on Saturday, Hamas noted that the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration takes place at a time when Israel and the United States are trying to eliminate the Palestinian problem and completely deny the national and historic rights of the Palestinian people.

Hamas praised the Palestinian people who hold onto the city of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), Gaza, the West Bank, the 1948 territories (Israel) and their resistance to all conspiracies and plots aimed at eliminating the national rights of the Palestinian people. These conspiracies and plots, claimed the terrorist organization, began with the Balfour Declaration and continue with President Donald Trump’s so-called “Deal of the Century”.

Hamas accused Britain of perpetrating a "historic massacre" against the Palestinian people, and demanded that it repent by restoring the rights of the Palestinians, publishing an apology, assisting in the return of the “refugees”, providing compensation for them and supporting their right to freedom and independence.

(full article online)

Hamas: Britain committed 'historic massacre' of Palestinians
 
So where's the contrast, and um, you do realize a condition of war still exists between Israel and much of the Arab population both inside and surrounding Isreal ?

Thats why the Geneva Conventions apply and why there is still martial law in certain areas of Israel.

Since its the 100th anniversary; why don't we ask a few relevant questions. Like, why hasn't the UN segregated combatants and the descendants of combatants as well as those who assist combatants from the legitimate refugee population ????

Now there's a good place to begin the end of this mess

Why don't they do that in Israel? Atrocities have been committed by Israel and are committed nearly every day.
 
Hamas on Saturday marked the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration by emphasizing its commitment to the liberation of all of “Palestine”.

The 1917 Balfour Declaration, issued by then-British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour, proclaimed Britain’s support for the establishment of a Jewish national home in then-Palestine.

Palestinian Arab organizations have in recent months been waging a campaign aimed at forcing Britain to apologize for the document. The Palestinian Authority cabinet in Ramallah has demanded not just a British apology for the document, but also compensation.

In a statement posted on its website on Saturday, Hamas noted that the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration takes place at a time when Israel and the United States are trying to eliminate the Palestinian problem and completely deny the national and historic rights of the Palestinian people.

Hamas praised the Palestinian people who hold onto the city of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), Gaza, the West Bank, the 1948 territories (Israel) and their resistance to all conspiracies and plots aimed at eliminating the national rights of the Palestinian people. These conspiracies and plots, claimed the terrorist organization, began with the Balfour Declaration and continue with President Donald Trump’s so-called “Deal of the Century”.

Hamas accused Britain of perpetrating a "historic massacre" against the Palestinian people, and demanded that it repent by restoring the rights of the Palestinians, publishing an apology, assisting in the return of the “refugees”, providing compensation for them and supporting their right to freedom and independence.

(full article online)

Hamas: Britain committed 'historic massacre' of Palestinians


And this is according to those who failed to murder ALL Jews in the Middle East?? Pardon me sir/ma'am but as far as I'm concerned Hamas and Co can go to hell!!

Greg
 
I make a motion for a State of Judea in historic Palestine.

Judeans should have a true refuge and sanctuary enabled by a State.

I think you meant a State of Judea in historic Judea
 
I make a motion for a State of Judea in historic Palestine.

Judeans should have a true refuge and sanctuary enabled by a State.

I think you meant a State of Judea in historic Judea
Historic Palestine is where Judea was; from my understanding of literature.
The REGION of Palestine is not "historic".

Israel and its 12 Tribes, which includes Judea....are the ones who are Historic.
You will find them in many History books. :)

And once again, you post about which you are extremely obsessed about.
Delegitimizing Israel with your "State of Judea" nonsense.

Do you have anything to say about what this thread is about?
The Balfour Declaration?

No ?????


Then kindly move on. Start your own thread about your obsession. :)
 
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