P F Tinmore
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How many pages of nothing are you people going to post?
The Balfour Declaration
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I think most here understand your revulsion for Jooooos and your denial of history. Your high pitched screeching about historical events you are unable re-write is something you will have to come to terms with.
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"The Balfour Declaration, issued on 2 November 1917, was a short document which changed the course of history. It committed the British government to support the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine, provided nothing was done “to prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”. At that time the Jews constituted ten per cent of the population of Palestine: 60,000 Jews and just over 600,000 Arabs. Yet Britain chose to recognize the right to national self-determination of the tiny minority and to flatly deny it to the undisputed majority. In the words of the Jewish writer Arthur Koestler: here was one nation, promising another nation, the land of a third nation..................the main motive for issuing the declaration was cold calculation of British imperial interests. It was believed, wrongly as it turned out, that Britain's interests would best be served by an alliance with the Zionist movement in Palestine. Palestine controlled the British Empire’s lines of communications to the Far East. France, Britain's main ally in the war against Germany, was also a rival for influence in Palestine...."
The Balfour Declaration: A Study in British Duplicity
The Balfour Declaration: A Study in British Duplicity
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You cut and pasted someone else's opinion. Good for you.
danielpalos
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That region needs another stable State on Israel's border; to have better trade.
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The region of the planet subject Muhammud's politico-religious ideology has seen 1400 years of conflict and war.
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RE: Israel and Palestine
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OH, don't be foolish. They are not even talking about the same kind of entity.
Judgment #5
A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions
See Page 7 (Eng) of the Judgment #5
The Palestine in the Judgment is the same as the Civil Administration of Palestine under the UK. It was the UK that had to pay compensation to Greeks; not the Arab Palestinian. Why, because it was the Allied Powers that determined the boundaries of Palestine. The could make it as big or as small as they desired.
In this case, and every other case, the Government of Palestine = Mandatory Power for Palestine = UK. It has nothing to do with the political environment. It is not talking about the existence of an independent or autonomous established state.
Most Respectfully,
R
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,
OH, don't be foolish. They are not even talking about the same kind of entity.
(COMMENT)Decisions of international and national tribunalsNot really. Your invented “country of Pal’istan” was never designated as a successor state.If the Ottoman Empire died, and to the victors go the spoils, what are you basically making a fuss about?
The Ottomans did not have any more say over the territory. The victorious Allies did. They did what they wanted to do, right or wrong, it worked or not. Iraq, not!
Left the Kurds without a State.
Things will get set the right way, if possible, eventually.
Britain is dying as an Empire? We shall see. During our lifetime, or not.
Not really. The land was ceded to the new successor states. The Mandates did not acquire any land.
You continually lie about this.
The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[16]
State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia
Judgment #5
A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions
See Page 7 (Eng) of the Judgment #5
In this case, and every other case, the Government of Palestine = Mandatory Power for Palestine = UK. It has nothing to do with the political environment. It is not talking about the existence of an independent or autonomous established state.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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As the trustee for Palestine, it was Britain's responsibility to handle their affairs.RE: Israel and Palestine
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,
OH, don't be foolish. They are not even talking about the same kind of entity.
(COMMENT)Decisions of international and national tribunalsNot really. Your invented “country of Pal’istan” was never designated as a successor state.If the Ottoman Empire died, and to the victors go the spoils, what are you basically making a fuss about?
The Ottomans did not have any more say over the territory. The victorious Allies did. They did what they wanted to do, right or wrong, it worked or not. Iraq, not!
Left the Kurds without a State.
Things will get set the right way, if possible, eventually.
Britain is dying as an Empire? We shall see. During our lifetime, or not.
Not really. The land was ceded to the new successor states. The Mandates did not acquire any land.
You continually lie about this.
The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[16]
State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia
Judgment #5
A05 Mavrommatis Jerusalem Concessions
The Palestine in the Judgment is the same as the Civil Administration of Palestine under the UK. It was the UK that had to pay compensation to Greeks; not the Arab Palestinian. Why, because it was the Allied Powers that determined the boundaries of Palestine. The could make it as big or as small as they desired.
In this case, and every other case, the Government of Palestine = Mandatory Power for Palestine = UK. It has nothing to do with the political environment. It is not talking about the existence of an independent or autonomous established state.
Most Respectfully,
R
So, what is your point?
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De facto UN recognition of another State in historic Palestine.
rylah
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Arab Pogroms in Syria-Palestine against Jews:
1517 Sefad and Hebron
1660 Tiberias
1660 Safed
1834 Hebron
1834 Safed
1838 Safed
1840 Damascus affair
Just to name a few, all happened before any Zionist ever shot a bullet.
The condition of Jews in Syria-Palestine was much worse than in any other Arab country.
The later Arab pogroms against the Jews were the continuation of the same story, it's just that this time Jews decided to STOP paying Arabs for "protection", took arms and stood for themselves.
Arabs didn't expect such a response from a weak minority, they've subjugated for 13 centuries..
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Among the lies he spouted came a new one: The Arabs in Palestine did not sell their land to the Jews in the early part of the 20th century, but took the land by force.
He elaborated that it was actually the British who took the land from the Palestinians by force and gave it to the Jews.
His proof?
"It is impossible that the Arabs would flee and leave their land or sell it to the Jews."
(full article online)
Hamas says Jews didn't buy any land in British Mandate Palestine - "they stole it" ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
He elaborated that it was actually the British who took the land from the Palestinians by force and gave it to the Jews.
His proof?
"It is impossible that the Arabs would flee and leave their land or sell it to the Jews."
(full article online)
Hamas says Jews didn't buy any land in British Mandate Palestine - "they stole it" ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
P F Tinmore
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There was a lot of confusion about land. The Ottomans had a land rights system. Britain had a land ownership system. Some land that the Palestinians had the right to did not have "deeds." Land rights could be bought, sold, and inherited.
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How ridiculous,the Palestinians were the Jews greatest Friends...I will stop all the Zionist rantings on here for good...When Zionism was in its seminal stage of development...A delegation of Zionists Leadership came to (PalestineTheir word...to see for themselves)...At the following General Zionist Conference,these very same Zionions STATED THAT "ALTHOUGH THE PRINCESS(PALESTINE) WAS BEAUTIFUL AND FAIR<SHE WAS MARRIED TO ANOTHER MAN (THE PALESTINIANS) and he would not give her up"
At this point the The Zionists changed tack from A PEACEFUL APPROACH TO VIOLENCE,TERRORISM,STEALTH AND GREED FOR THIS LAND....Which through graft and bribery,having Zionists especially recruited into positions within the British Government and System(The Governor of the British Mandate in Palestine was a Zionist as was his Deputy)to forward the Dispossesion of the Land of the Palestinians...The Zionists played a very skilful political hand..in collusion and conjunction with their Murderous Terrorist arm of that Organisation...Flooding Palestine with European Converts to Judiasm all Zionists to enter Palestine,all ILLEGALS OF COURSE...In the end through BRIBERY to some countries in the UN(That Organization that Israelis and Jews today HATE,Ironically)..and others that wanted to see the back end of Jews,their application to statehood was granted...obviously the Palestinians wanted no part in giving part of Palestine they were promised, to anyone,Jews in this instance.....Due to the six-day War and occupation of the West Bank Occupied Territories...Israel intends NEVER TO GIVE THE PALESTINIANS THEIR LAND OR STATE.
The Arrogance of Zionists on here is sickening,you have no right to this area you deserted but you gained it through the attempted extinction of another more genuine original race......Question Who helped the NAZIS EXTERMINATE JEWS ?
ANSWER THE ZIONISTS
rylah
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Q. So how do You explain rape, expulsion and massacre of Palestinian Jews by their Arab neighbors - before Zionism?
Please answer in short, I have no interest in those tirades of Yours.
danielpalos
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A UN Blue Ribbon Commission on Nation Building, for bureaucratic fun and bureaucratic practice.
Should we ask for Chinese participation for city building purposes?
Should we ask for Chinese participation for city building purposes?
thetor
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No Tirades,just ACTUAL FACTS ACTUALLY,that cannot be disputed.......There were skirmishes on both sides but in general Palestinians and Jews got on very well.....FACT...
Forever and Sixties there is nothing funny at all,as shown later by the Zionists deliberate attempt to Exterminate the Palestinians you ignorant Fools
rylah
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More fairytales of Arab kumbayah won't do.
The Arab pogroms in Syria-Palestine were no different than the pogroms in Europe at the time.
Already then it caused a wide international response, like in the Damascus affair - all decades before Zionism.
Written by a Palestinian Jew of Safed about the Arab massacres of 1834:
"Now I have come to announce the large losses and afflictions that have been created in Israel in four countries, ie Jerusalem,and Hebron and the Upper Galilee, namely Safed. And the lower Galilee, namely the city of Tabriya. By the hands of the plunderers and looters that rose in the country. And they come only upon the Jews...
On Sunday, eight days in the month of Sivan, the looters, inhabitants of the villages joined with the inhabitants of the cities. They had weapons of war and shields and fell upon all the Jews and stripped their clothes from men and women. They expelled them naked from the city, and plundered all their property...
The remnants were coerced and raped whether men or women. Tore all the Torah scrolls, and their talit and tefilin and the city was abandoned... This was so for 33 days, so was done in the city of Safed, so was done in other towns."
Periodicals of people of Israel in Eretz Israel - Menachem Mendel ben- Aaaron 1800-1873
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On 2 November 2017 we celebrated the Balfour Declaration centenary. On the 29th November, we celebrate seventy years since UN resolution 181 – the United Nations ‘partition plan’. Looking at much of the discussion over Balfour, there is still clearly misunderstanding over the process that led to the creation of Israel.
The Balfour Declaration was a stepping stone, an important point of recognition. Yet the United Nations went on to divide the land, something Balfour never proposed. So – what changed?
There are twenty-eight days from the start of one anniversary to the end of the other, so here I have listed twenty eight stepping stones, twenty eight events, that took Balfour through to partition, and into the civil war that was to bring about the creation of the State of Israel.
(full article online)
November 2nd to November 29, Twenty-eight stepping stones to partition
The Balfour Declaration was a stepping stone, an important point of recognition. Yet the United Nations went on to divide the land, something Balfour never proposed. So – what changed?
There are twenty-eight days from the start of one anniversary to the end of the other, so here I have listed twenty eight stepping stones, twenty eight events, that took Balfour through to partition, and into the civil war that was to bring about the creation of the State of Israel.
(full article online)
November 2nd to November 29, Twenty-eight stepping stones to partition
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