The Art of the Deal: Trump Says Tarriffs Will Come Off if New NAFTA Deal Signed

[ChesBayJJ]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What does that have to do with tariffs? You think supporting tariffs is pro-American?

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

How are they able to undercut US businesses? The steel and aluminum tariffs seem to be aimed at Canada. How can Canada out compete the US on those metals? If they trade is unfair, sure, deal with it. But I have seen no evidence the Canadians are dumping steel and aluminum. Trump really ought to be going after China and their theft of intellectual property.

 

[Tom Horn]

Ah, Mexico and KKKanada being picked on, cry me a river.

Canuckistan is where the Tories ran, instead of being hanged for treason, to continue worshiping King George. Look at their oil....it's in tar sand....look at their beer....Molsons. They let FRANCE run the eastern half of their dismal prairie...We stole their national pastime by taking over the NHL.....in a word they SUCK, eh? eh?

 

[Thinker101]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What does that have to do with tariffs? You think supporting tariffs is pro-American?

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

How are they able to undercut US businesses? The steel and aluminum tariffs seem to be aimed at Canada. How can Canada out compete the US on those metals? If they trade is unfair, sure, deal with it. But I have seen no evidence the Canadians are dumping steel and aluminum. Trump really ought to be going after China and their theft of intellectual property.

Sounds like your panties may be way too snug. The deal is not done.

 

[ChesBayJJ]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What does that have to do with tariffs? You think supporting tariffs is pro-American?

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

How are they able to undercut US businesses? The steel and aluminum tariffs seem to be aimed at Canada. How can Canada out compete the US on those metals? If they trade is unfair, sure, deal with it. But I have seen no evidence the Canadians are dumping steel and aluminum. Trump really ought to be going after China and their theft of intellectual property.

Sounds like your panties may be way too snug. The deal is not done.

Sounds like you aren't much of a thinker

 

[Coyote]

Do you think that Canada and Mexico will give in or - do you think they'll just say F it and impose their own tariffs on our agricultural products?

Here are the main sticking points:

Here are the main sticking points:

- The sunset clause -

The Trump administration has proposed a NAFTA clause that would allow the treaty to expire after five years, effectively requiring the three governments to reauthorize it.​

Basically - not only Mexico City and Ottowa oppose this but so do the majority of US business, agriculture and many key US lawmakers. They need the certainty that a trade agreement provides in order to plan for the future - one that must be renegotiated and re-ratified every 5 years is pretty much useless for all.

- Automotive content -

NAFTA requires that at least 62.5 percent of the components of a vehicle be made in one of the three member countries, in order that customs duties don't apply.

The Trump administration wants that figure increased to 85 percent, with 50 percent of those components made exclusively in the United States. The US also wants steel, aluminum, copper and plastic used in those components to be made part of the calculation, according to US and Canadian media.​

Yet - the US auto industry opposes this requirement.

- Arbitration under Chapter 19 -

This little-used provision of the agreement allows arbitration by private legal experts to resolve disputes over countervailing duties and dumping.

The Trump administration has branded the provision as unfair to US businesses and workers, since a Chapter 19 process can overrule decisions made by US agencies.

But Canada has successfully used Chapter 19 arbitration to rebut US accusations that Canadian exporters sold lumber at below-cost prices.

"An effective, transparent and enforceable dispute settlement mechanism is essential to NAFTA," Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said Tuesday.

"Just as good fences make good neighbors, good dispute settlement systems make good trading partners."

In July, Mexican lawmakers also called on their government to reject any proposal during NAFTA talks to scrap Chapter 19 arbitration.​

Do you see Canada and Mexico changing their minds on this and submitting to US courts or agencies?

- Canadian 'supply management' -

Dating to the 1970s, this system protects Canada's farmers and consumers from price swings for dairy and poultry goods but also keeps out foreign competition.

The US has reportedly asked for the system to be phased out within a decade, allowing for US exports of milk and poultry to Canada to begin.

Canada argues that American producers also benefit from state subsidies in the sector.​

Now this might arguably be renegotiated - I don't see how US producers benefit from this but then...I don't know what recipricol agreements we might have for our side either.

- Procurement -

Freeland said Washington had proposed limiting its NAFTA partners' access to US government procurement contracts.

"The United States has put forward a proposal that according to our calculations would give Canada and Mexico less access to the US government procurement market than Bahrain currently enjoys," she said.​

Why would they agree to this?

 

[Coyote]

Hilarious watching the left weep and gnash their teeth as Trump keeps on winning.

Their tears are like candy.

The NAFTA renegotiation deal is signed?

2nd grade reading and comprehension. Maybe 1st grade.

I was thinking Kindergarten since you seem to lack an understanding of what "win" means. Either that or you suffer a case of premature verbal ejaculations.

I'm not seeing any winning yet. Are you?

 

[Thinker101]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What does that have to do with tariffs? You think supporting tariffs is pro-American?

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

How are they able to undercut US businesses? The steel and aluminum tariffs seem to be aimed at Canada. How can Canada out compete the US on those metals? If they trade is unfair, sure, deal with it. But I have seen no evidence the Canadians are dumping steel and aluminum. Trump really ought to be going after China and their theft of intellectual property.

Sounds like your panties may be way too snug. The deal is not done.

Sounds like you aren't much of a thinker

Yup, not all of us can be a dumbass like you.

 

[nat4900]

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

Of course we should not be undercut by other countries, BUT the real culprits are our own conglomerates (their CEO, CFO, boards, etc.) whose concern for ever increasing profits makes them look for the CHEAPER labor force overseas.

 

[Thinker101]

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

Of course we should not be undercut by other countries, BUT the real culprits are our own conglomerates (their CEO, CFO, boards, etc.) whose concern for ever increasing profits makes them look for the CHEAPER labor force overseas.

So what is your solution?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Posturing is fine.

Tariffs are stupid.

 

[Dragonlady]

Ah, Mexico and KKKanada being picked on, cry me a river.

Canuckistan is where the Tories ran, instead of being hanged for treason, to continue worshiping King George. Look at their oil....it's in tar sand....look at their beer....Molsons. They let FRANCE run the eastern half of their dismal prairie...We stole their national pastime by taking over the NHL.....in a word they SUCK, eh? eh?

Ah, Mexico and KKKanada being picked on, cry me a river.

Canuckistan is where the Tories ran, instead of being hanged for treason, to continue worshiping King George. Look at their oil....it's in tar sand....look at their beer....Molsons. They let FRANCE run the eastern half of their dismal prairie...We stole their national pastime by taking over the NHL.....in a word they SUCK, eh? eh?

You’re just pissed because we won more medals at the Winter Olympics than you guys and we’re killing it on all the best places to live surveys.

Plus our Prime Minister isn’t a rude stupid asshole. Nor does he pay porn stars to have sex with him.

 

[nat4900]

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

Of course we should not be undercut by other countries, BUT the real culprits are our own conglomerates (their CEO, CFO, boards, etc.) whose concern for ever increasing profits makes them look for the CHEAPER labor force overseas.

So what is your solution?

My "solution" is a bit despotic.........If you want to be an American company and sell your goods and services to Americans, then the company needs to fully reside within the U.S. and as the enjoy the American infrastructure and laws and clientele, pay the tax rate imposed by our congress.

 

[Thinker101]

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

Of course we should not be undercut by other countries, BUT the real culprits are our own conglomerates (their CEO, CFO, boards, etc.) whose concern for ever increasing profits makes them look for the CHEAPER labor force overseas.

So what is your solution?

My "solution" is a bit despotic.........If you want to be an American company and sell your goods and services to Americans, then the company needs to fully reside within the U.S. and as the enjoy the American infrastructure and laws and clientele, pay the tax rate imposed by our congress.

Seems to be pretty isolationistic.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Continuing to allow other countries to undercut U.S. business doesn't sound like a great plan, not even a mediocre plan.

Of course we should not be undercut by other countries, BUT the real culprits are our own conglomerates (their CEO, CFO, boards, etc.) whose concern for ever increasing profits makes them look for the CHEAPER labor force overseas.

So what is your solution?

My "solution" is a bit despotic.........If you want to be an American company and sell your goods and services to Americans, then the company needs to fully reside within the U.S. and as the enjoy the American infrastructure and laws and clientele, pay the tax rate imposed by our congress.

Holy crap, that is even worse than Trump's stupid tariffs.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump says tariffs will come off if new NAFTA deal is signed - CNNPolitics

Well, that's pretty damn interesting.

We'll see how it plays out. If this is the strategy, he can only play this type of card a few times.
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[Aldo Raine]

Carrier was GONE but Trump kept their American presence at least for now....not too smart double-crossing him like they did. He also got into Boeing's shorts on the new AF1 jets and several other deals the commiecrats don't understand. It's a pleasure watching supposed union supporting leftists crying about tariffs while Trump strengthens his grip on the Rust Belt. Face it comrades....he'd be eating your lunch if you weren't eating his dust.

Sure looks like he ate my lunch. And yours and everybody else's lunch. Yet Carrier took his government handout, laughed at him and left. WINNING!

 

[Indeependent]

I’m a smart investor!
I invest in “US” stocks that don’t operate in the US!

 

[Dragonlady]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What a crazy thing to type

He has a real hardon for our country. Seems it is time for him to change his citizenship and get on board the Trump train 100%

He keeps saying that CSIS won’t let him leave. On one hand he said that when he tried to cross the border the US border guards turn him around and tell him to contact CSIS to find out why.

Then he denied he ever said it and that he prefers to stay in Canada to fight the good fight, even though he’s lost his job, and lost his house. Then he denied he lost his house, but said it could happen.

The guy is certifiable in my books. I’ll bet the border guards just laugh and laugh when he tries to cross the border.

 

[Dragonlady]

Carrier was GONE but Trump kept their American presence at least for now....not too smart double-crossing him like they did. He also got into Boeing's shorts on the new AF1 jets and several other deals the commiecrats don't understand. It's a pleasure watching supposed union supporting leftists crying about tariffs while Trump strengthens his grip on the Rust Belt. Face it comrades....he'd be eating your lunch if you weren't eating his dust.

No Carrier was not “gone”. They announced plans to keep their head office jobs in the US. Only their manufacturing was moving to Mexico. After Trump and Pence gave them $7 million dollars to stay, they moved MORE jobs to Mexico than previously announced.

That doesn’t meet my definition of “winning” in any way. That’s my definitition of “Hasta la vista suckers! Thanks for the cash!”

 

[shockedcanadian]

Maybe if you didn't have so many Establishment and anti-American who are bought and sold he could get things done. It's fascinating. Outside of a few limp wristed leaders in Europe, there are no other nations with so many who want to see their own nation fail.

You have liberty and a constitution and some would trade it in for the promise of a hot cup of soup and a monthly check so they can hit the casino.

What a crazy thing to type

He has a real hardon for our country. Seems it is time for him to change his citizenship and get on board the Trump train 100%

He keeps saying that CSIS won’t let him leave. On one hand he said that when he tried to cross the border the US border guards turn him around and tell him to contact CSIS to find out why.

Then he denied he ever said it and that he prefers to stay in Canada to fight the good fight, even though he’s lost his job, and lost his house. Then he denied he lost his house, but said it could happen.

The guy is certifiable in my books. I’ll bet the border guards just laugh and laugh when he tries to cross the border.

You again?

I crossed into America, and have never been denied entry. However, the RCMP and their covert surrogates had me detained with my wife, U.S Border guards have always been polite, friendly and professional and in fact were far nicer than my the Canadian border guards on the way back. They always let me enter, and I put myself in their shoes. When they talk to me, it's clear I am a good guy and would never pose a threat, no matter what fake b.s the Canadians put on the systems we share.

I've said many times, I have never had problems with the US Border, they are doing their job, they are relying on false direction from Canada as they try and silence me. Probably worried I will go meet the FBI or newspaper in person or and give them many names and details. THIS scares the hell out of Canada. I would love to have 5 minutes on Fox news, I would hurt the socialist agenda and also expose Canada as the fraud that we are, as "allies".

Right. We're an ally alright. Just keep sending us your jobs.