Zone1 The anti-Christ will have a "church" and we can recognize it ("Seek and you will find")

[ding]

Rome has used the power of death consequent to setting aside Divine Law to subjugate the nations ever since 325CE, when the Church unleashed this false substitute Jesus on the world.

False substitute Jesus? What's the real Jesus and how do you know?

 

[sparky]

The plot is the same as usual and along with the End of the World conspiracy is peddled to the Gullibles on a regular basis .

Which is why nothing here could possibly be further from the truth Luiza (but you knew that)....~S~

 

[ding]

That’s not just the Catholics though. Wouldn’t it include all the Abrahsmic religions, at least?

He says of course but the Catholics are the only one he complains about. So there's that.

 

[ding]

Of course!

Not to mention political ideologies which amount to many many more billions. So maybe you have underestimated the historical and continued contemporary influence of the practitioners of the magical arts, sorcery, what is now known as mind control? How else can anyone explain the support of trump, the most despicable and brazen con artist ever to desecrate the White House, by convincing somewhat intelligent God fearing Americans that fascism will save democracy?

So what's the true religion then?

 

[sparky]

So what's the true religion then?

oh , you would go there ding......

~S~

 

[ding]

oh , you would go there ding......
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He really seems to believe he knows what is false. It only goes to reason he ought to at least state what he believes is true. The problem with that is he can't answer that. He's playing a wolf in sheep's clothing persona and he wants to come off as a one religious believer attacking another religious believer. But that's not what he is. He's a secular humanist trying to play a robber bird's game without a home nest to defend. It's a great game strategy but disingenuous as all get out.

 

[surada]

The following was written by Mario Derksen who has studied this issue in depth (baptized Catholic, spent a certain amount of time in the Protestant community, then returned to his Catholic faith...) . I believe he has some kind of degree related to theology, but I am not sure what the exact title of his degree is. He runs Novus Ordo Watch website


The idea that God wills there to be a diversity of religions [which has been taught by the Vatican since the 2nd Vatican Council, 1960s] destroys the very foundations of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It does away with all of Catholicism; even more so, it does away with the very notion of revealed religion in general. It wipes out any religion’s claim to being the objective truth revealed by God, as it grounds all religious belief in the sphere of the subjective and relative. It is a bold declaration of Modernism, which Pope St. Pius X rightly called “the synthesis of all heresies.”5 It is also the fertile ground upon which the one-world religion of the Antichrist can be built, because if God ["]wills all religions ["], then none of them are actually true.. Christ tolerates no indifference (see Mt 12:30; Apoc 3:15-16), and He will not... put His Truth on a par with the fables of diabolical or man-made religions (see 2 Cor 6:14-16; cf. Rom 3:4). He is the Sign of Contradiction (see Lk 2:34) that sets men at variance with one another (see Mt 10:35) [and] that “came not to send peace, but the sword” (Mt 10:34). He is the corner stone rejected by the builders (see Mt 21:42; Acts 4:11), and “on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder” (Mt 21:44). “Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under Heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). So Francis makes Christ into a liar! He destroys the Gospel at its very root and effectively declares every heathen religion under the sun not only to be willed by God but to be the expression of His wisdom!

Surely it is no exaggeration to say that this New Church has ushered in the Great Apostasy foretold by St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 “The apostasy must come first; the champion of wickedness must appear first, destined to inherit perdition” (Mgr. Ronald Knox translation; cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:11).

In fact, if this isn’t the Great Apostasy, it is hard to fathom what would remain for the real Great Apostasy to accomplish. What will be left for the world to apostatize from?

This is a comprehensive list.

Who is the Antichrist? Twenty Signs from Scripture

The Bible predicts an evil dictator will come to power before the end of the world and he will charm his way into power. The Antichrist will be a highly skilled politician and he will be an inspirational speaker, able to exploit demonic magnetism to mesmerise people out of their freedom.

byfaith.org

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The following was written by Mario Derksen who has studied this issue in depth (baptized Catholic, spent a certain amount of time in the Protestant community, then returned to his Catholic faith...) . I believe he has some kind of degree related to theology, but I am not sure what the exact title of his degree is. He runs Novus Ordo Watch website


The idea that God wills there to be a diversity of religions [which has been taught by the Vatican since the 2nd Vatican Council, 1960s] destroys the very foundations of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It does away with all of Catholicism; even more so, it does away with the very notion of revealed religion in general. It wipes out any religion’s claim to being the objective truth revealed by God, as it grounds all religious belief in the sphere of the subjective and relative. It is a bold declaration of Modernism, which Pope St. Pius X rightly called “the synthesis of all heresies.”5 It is also the fertile ground upon which the one-world religion of the Antichrist can be built, because if God ["]wills all religions ["], then none of them are actually true.. Christ tolerates no indifference (see Mt 12:30; Apoc 3:15-16), and He will not... put His Truth on a par with the fables of diabolical or man-made religions (see 2 Cor 6:14-16; cf. Rom 3:4). He is the Sign of Contradiction (see Lk 2:34) that sets men at variance with one another (see Mt 10:35) [and] that “came not to send peace, but the sword” (Mt 10:34). He is the corner stone rejected by the builders (see Mt 21:42; Acts 4:11), and “on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder” (Mt 21:44). “Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under Heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). So Francis makes Christ into a liar! He destroys the Gospel at its very root and effectively declares every heathen religion under the sun not only to be willed by God but to be the expression of His wisdom!

Surely it is no exaggeration to say that this New Church has ushered in the Great Apostasy foretold by St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 “The apostasy must come first; the champion of wickedness must appear first, destined to inherit perdition” (Mgr. Ronald Knox translation; cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:11).

In fact, if this isn’t the Great Apostasy, it is hard to fathom what would remain for the real Great Apostasy to accomplish. What will be left for the world to apostatize from?

The Antichrist has a prophet. He is the pope (papa). "Call no man father for you have one Father who is in heaven.

Why wouldn't God just tell everybody what is the real true church?

He has. The true church are those in whom dwells the Spirit of Christ

 

[ding]

Why wouldn't God just tell everybody what is the real true church?

Because other things matter more and that's not how it works.

He already knows what everybody will do with our free will anyway, right?

Depends on one's perception of God. My perception of God is God is transcendent; incorporeal. God is every extant attribute of reality. God gives reality to the universe, and makes it not merely a hypothetical or possible universe, but an actually existing universe. He does not supply energy, as a match does to an explosive, he supplies reality. God supplies this reality equally to every part of the universe — all events at all times and places. So yeah, God experiences all things at once.

 

[Clyde 154]

This is a comprehensive list.

Who is the Antichrist? Twenty Signs from Scripture

The Bible predicts an evil dictator will come to power before the end of the world and he will charm his way into power. The Antichrist will be a highly skilled politician and he will be an inspirational speaker, able to exploit demonic magnetism to mesmerise people out of their freedom.

byfaith.org

Strange is it not that the link you provided contains self contradictions? 20 signs found in the scriptures predicting the rise of the antichrist......as a single individual. Really? The first passage of scripture presented in this false doctrine of Millennialism (Matthew 24:5)........contradicts the idea that the antichrist is a single individual, "For MANY (more than 1, more than a few...but many) shall come in My name, saying I am the Christ...."

The scriptures are clear as written by the Apostle John. The antichrist is not a single person, the antichrist is not some futuristic evil leader, the antichrist is a doctrine that simply denies the deity of Jesus Christ being the Son of God...i.e, the Messiah of prophecy. The antichrist doctrine has existed since the 1st century.......as the Apostle declares there were antichrists while John was living in the 1st century. Reference (1 John 2:18, 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 7).

An antichrist doctrine is propagated today by churches who teach false doctrines..........Ask any JW if Jesus is equal to God.........ask any Muslim if Jesus is equal to God...etc., these are the quint essential examples of an ANTICHRIST doctrine. Test their doctrines and you will see they must deny the actual content of the Holy Scriptures as being corrupted, with their own Bible being the only real truth. One such Bible written 600 years after the church/kingdom was established ......others written almost 2000 years after the church/kingdom of Jesus Christ was given to Jesus by the Father (Matt. 16, 28-18-20) They will attempt to deny the Apostle Paul as a true Apostle of Christ.....they will declare that Jesus was simply a prophet or an archangel.......or the first born creation of God.........they will deny that Jesus pre-existed the creation of the worlds with Jesus being the actual creator (Col. 1:16-20).....and most certainly they will claim the Gospels are wrong..........Jesus was not with God and was God (John 1)......God did not come to earth to dwell among men in the form of the Son of Man (Phil. 2:6........."

 

[luiza]

Which is why nothing here could possibly be further from the truth Luiza (but you knew that)....~S~

Feel sure you are right and that everything that has ever happened here is not as important as a single photon .
But the bad news is that it also means mini" anti christs"like TurdyTainted , the Sniveller and Alcoholic -- to name just a few --- will not be thrown into the flaming pit for eternal damnation .
They will probably receive a mild wrist slap and told to to stop behaving like those annoying wretches Peter and Paul -- low IQ Gullibles .

 

[luiza]

The Antichrist has a prophet. He is the pope (papa). "Call no man father for you have one Father who is in heaven.


He has. The true church are those in whom dwells the Spirit of Christ

Now I understand why some people are affectionally called , little devils .
Is there a subscription or does membership come free if you tell a certain number of lies every day ?
But fear not . I shall put in a decent word for you and you hopefully will get a suspended sentence -- but by the neck if you do not repent .

 

[sparky]

receive a mild wrist slap

hopefully will get a suspended sentence

gotta admit dante's 7 levels was a genius construct engineered towards the celestial carrot back when the earthy stick offered no parole

~S~

 

[luiza]

gotta admit dante's 7 levels was a genius construct engineered towards the celestial carrot back when the earthy stick offered no parole

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Oh God (!!)
I have had it . Or , rather , soon will .
Never mind, I shall get a transfer . Move abroad .

 

[sparky]

Oh God (!!)
I have had it . Or , rather , soon will .
Never mind, I shall get a transfer . Move abroad .

i blame myself.......

~S~

 

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gotta admit dante's 7 levels was a genius construct engineered towards the celestial carrot back when the earthy stick offered no parole

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Maybe. Or maybe it was him trying to make sense of the origin questions which ultimately asks why are we here, what is our purpose. I like Solzhenitsyn's take on this.

"...If humanism were right in declaring that man is born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to die, his task on earth evidently must be of a more spiritual nature. It cannot be unrestrained enjoyment of everyday life. It cannot be the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then cheerfully get the most of them. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become an experience of moral growth, so that one may leave life a better human being than one started it.... ​

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...Only voluntary, inspired self-restraint can raise man above the world stream of materialism...." Solzhenitsyn​

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Alexandr Solzhenitsyn: Harvard Commencement Address (A World Split Apart)

Complete text audio and video of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Commencement Address

www.americanrhetoric.com

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[hobelim]

False substitute Jesus?

Yes. The Jesus that you worship and the things that you profess to believe about him do not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. There is no such thing as a trinity, an unequalled co-equal mangod who diddled a virgin to father himself so that he could party with sinners, "keep company" with prostitutes, and hang around with all sorts of bad characters, sticking it to the man daily, performing supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality, and abolishing Mosaic law by being a perfect human sacrifice to himself, (because he loved the Roman world so much), derp, so that believers who celebrate his torture crucifixion and death and then worship him and eat him in the form of a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS can sin with impunity and be sanctimonious asses, by pretending to be morally superior to unbelievers, for the rest of their delusional and dysfunctional lives.

No one has to know what the truth is to be absolutely certain that thats a crock of pure shit.

What's the real Jesus

The real Jesus was an uncultured Jewish working man who received a revelation from God like bread from heaven who died trying to teach his people that the words used in the law are figurative, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, and the subjects are hidden, but when found reveal the wisdom of God, and all who comply with the law in the way that Jesus taught to understand and do it receive the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God here and now while still living in this world.

This is what Jesus did. This is what the Jewish messiah was expected to do. "I shall put my words into his mouth and he shall convey (reveal) all of my commands" Deuteronomy 18:18

and how do you know?

How? There has never been and will never be a human being that was God or became God either before, during, or after their human existence. God has no equal, and there is no other God in existence either above or below him which precludes the possibility of a triune god..

Secondly in the Gospel of John there are seven miracles, originally called 'signs', that prove that Jesus was the messiah. In the revelation of John there are exactly seven seals placed on a scroll which prevent everyone from seeing what was written inside (hidden in the Gospels).

Every miracle that contradicts what everyone has known to be absolutely true about reality since they were children is like giant X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was buried and hidden. "the kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again" Matt:13:44

Without adding, subtracting, or changing a single word, find the only way to interpret those miracles, the one and only way that conforms to and is confirmed by reality and the real Jesus will emerge from the clouds that have obscured him from sight for thousands of years.

If you put on your thinking cap and look and look and look and keep on looking you will find it.

If you can't decipher what actually took place when Christ first came, all you have to do is ask.

 

[surada]

Yes. The Jesus that you worship and the things that you profess to believe about him do not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. There is no such thing as a trinity, an unequalled co-equal mangod who diddled a virgin to father himself so that he could party with sinners, "keep company" with prostitutes, and hang around with all sorts of bad characters, sticking it to the man daily, performing supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality, and abolishing Mosaic law by being a perfect human sacrifice to himself, (because he loved the Roman world so much), derp, so that believers who celebrate his torture crucifixion and death and then worship him and eat him in the form of a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS can sin with impunity and be sanctimonious asses, by pretending to be morally superior to unbelievers, for the rest of their delusional and dysfunctional lives.

No one has to know what the truth is to be absolutely certain that thats a crock of pure shit.


The real Jesus was an uncultured Jewish working man who received a revelation from God like bread from heaven who died trying to teach his people that the words used in the law are figurative, not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, and the subjects are hidden, but when found reveal the wisdom of God, and all who comply with the law in the way that Jesus taught to understand and do it receive the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God here and now while still living in this world.

This is what Jesus did. This is what the Jewish messiah was expected to do. "I shall put my words into his mouth and he shall convey (reveal) all of my commands" Deuteronomy 18:18


How? There has never been and will never be a human being that was God or became God either before, during, or after their human existence. God has no equal, and there is no other God in existence either above or below him which precludes the possibility of a triune god..

Secondly in the Gospel of John there are seven miracles, originally called 'signs', that prove that Jesus was the messiah. In the revelation of John there are exactly seven seals placed on a scroll which prevent everyone from seeing what was written inside (hidden in the Gospels).

Every miracle that contradicts what everyone has known to be absolutely true about reality since they were children is like giant X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was buried and hidden. "the kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again" Matt:13:44

Without adding, subtracting, or changing a single word, find the only way to interpret those miracles, the one and only way that conforms to and is confirmed by reality and the real Jesus will emerge from the clouds that have obscured him from sight for thousands of years.

If you put on your thinking cap and look and look and look and keep on looking you will find it.

If you can't decipher what actually took place when Christ first came, all you have to do is ask.

I'm very interested in what you are saying. Can you be a little clearer?

 

[hobelim]

So what's the true religion then?

Sorry dude. No religion is necessary. If you want to be worthy of the life you have been given, temporarily, and worthy of the opportunity to live forever, just speak the truth and be real, walk upright like a creature that reflects the image and likeness of a Holy (separate) God.

Let me dumb it down for you. Just stop being a jackass, however hard that may be.

 

[hobelim]

I'm very interested in what you are saying. Can you be a little clearer?

If that wasn't clear enough for you I suggest its time for you to clean house. Purify your mind and be refined by extirpating every falsehood in your mind, every irrational unsubstantiated assumption, extirpate every idea planted in you that requires you to suspend disbelief and have blind faith. Jesus did not teach blind faith, he gave sight to the blind. Be open and see.

Like a computer with malware your brain has been hacked so that it doesn't function properly

Tend to the earth which is your mind. Make it fertile so that you may bear good fruit in plenty

Think of your consciousness as a vast ocean teeming with every sort of fish, some good to eat, some not, swimming every which way. Then sit on the beach and throw a great net into that ocean which is your mind and drag every fish ashore. Then calmly and methodically put the good fish in a bucket and throw the bad ones away, one by one, little by little, day by day.

There is no magic pill, no magic wand, no words that I can speak. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it think. Do it and both God and Jesus will make themselves known to you.

Then stay awake and stand guard over the sanctity of your own mind for the rest of your life.

Its easy, but I can't do it for you.