bitter clinging swiftie
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southern unionists werent non existent either
The American Miracle...They Called Lincoln everything they are calling Trump...
- Thread starter 2aguy
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I love Lincoln.
But the comparison between Obama and Lincoln is so much closer than to Trump and Lincoln that your comparison is just- well your usual ridiculous partisan racism.
This quote about Lincoln could have been 2aguy speaking about President Obama:
His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.
Why does 2aguy feel obligated to insult a great President like Lincoln by comparing Trump to him?
LoneLaugher
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Yeah. Trump is reviled by idiots. Only smart people support him. You nailed it.
Yep- I knew Lincoln- and sir- you are no Lincoln!
I am guessing next week 2aguy is going to be comparing Trump to George Washington, and his reputation for honesty......
trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.
Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......
bitter clinging swiftie
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was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent applicationtrump is an asshole but how is he a racist?Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.
Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......
Really? Democrat historians 'ignore' Lincoln......does 2aguy actually believe anyone would believe this?
Maybe he just thinks his target audience is so illiterate that they have never read a Lincoln biography.
Arguably the most famous Lincoln biographer of all is Doris Kearns Goodwin- she wrote "Team of Rivals"- a fantastic book- and Doris Kearns worked in the LBJ Whitehouse......(by the way her biography on Teddy Roosevelt is great)
George McGovern wrote a biography of Lincoln.
Another famous Lincoln biographer- James M. McPherson
Historian sees lessons, Lincoln parallels for Obama - CNN.com
CNN: Do you see temperamental similarities between Obama and Lincoln? Some people have noted that.
McPherson: I think I do. ... Lincoln occasionally did lose his temper, but he usually managed to maintain his cool. ... This kind of temperament -- keeping your cool, keeping your temper, trying to base your decisions on rational thought rather than emotions or temporary explosions of temper -- I think they're similar in that respect and that was a really important factor in Lincoln's leadership qualities.
CNN: Finally, as a historian, does it give you pleasure that Obama is apparently a reader of history?
McPherson: Well yes, it's almost exhilarating to have a president who reads history, knows history and realizes the value of understanding history. "Pleasure" is the right word.
was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent applicationtrump is an asshole but how is he a racist?Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.
Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......
NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.
The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.
Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.
In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
bitter clinging swiftie
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interestingwas it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent applicationtrump is an asshole but how is he a racist?Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.
Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......
NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.
The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.
Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.
In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?
He was sued personally- as he was at the time the President of the organization.interestingwas it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent applicationtrump is an asshole but how is he a racist?Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.
Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......
NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.
The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.
Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.
In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?
1864 Republican Platform- sounds just like Trump..........
8. Resolved, That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation, –the asylum of the oppressed of all nations, –should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.
8. Resolved, That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation, –the asylum of the oppressed of all nations, –should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.
bitter clinging swiftie
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did he settle out of court?
NYcarbineer
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Secession occurred because the conservatives in the South were terrified of Lincoln and the threat he represented to slavery, whether justifiably or not.
Yep- and he promised to not do it again...
The two sides eventually came to terms. On June 10, 1975, they signed an agreement prohibiting the Trumps from “discriminating against any person in the terms, conditions, or priveleges of sale or rental of a dwelling.” The Trumps were ordered to “thoroughly acquaint themselves personally on a detailed basis” with the Fair Housing Act.
The agreement also required the Trumps to place ads informing minorities they had an equal opportunity to seek housing at their properties.
The decree makes clear the Trumps did not view the agreement as a surrender, saying the settlement was “in no way an admission” of a violation.
The Justice Department claimed victory, calling the decree “one of the most far-reaching ever negotiated.”
Newspaper headlines echoed that view. “Minorities win housing suit,” said the New York Amsterdam News, which told readers that “qualified Blacks and Puerto Ricans now have the opportunity to rent apartments owned by Trump Management.”
Goldweber, the Justice lawyer who originally argued the case, said it was a clear government victory.
The government “had the [racial] coding, they had the testers , and had the testimony of people who worked there,” said Goldweber, now a private practice lawyer in New York. “It was an important, significant step for enforcement of the Fair Housing Act. It was a big deal.”
Other rental agents employed by the Trumps told the FBI that only 1 percent of tenants at the Trump-run Ocean Terrace Apartments were black, and that there were no black tenants at Lincoln Shore Apartments. Both were on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn. However, minorities were steered to a different complex on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn, Patio Gardens, which was 40 percent black, the government said.
One black woman, for example, was turned away at a heavily white complex but told that she should “try to obtain an apartment at Patio Gardens,” where “a black judge had recently become a tenant,” according to government filings.
Phyllis Spiro, a white woman who went undercover in 1973 at a Trump property, told investigators how a building superintendent acknowledged to her “that he followed a racially discriminatory rental policy at the direction of his superiors, and that there were only very few ‘colored’ tenants” at the complex, according to court records.
NYcarbineer
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Jefferson Davis also suspended habeas corpus, and additionally, the Confederacy was the first in American history to use conscription to force citizens into the military.
Indeed. The "South" was bitterly divided between the sides. The counties of northwestern Virginia seceded from Virginia for that reason. And even there it wasn't a united front --- some of the counties seceded not because they wanted to but because they were occupied by Union troops. East Tennessee attempted to do the same thing and was coerced by military force to shut up. In fact its local Senator Johnson was the only Senator to remain in the US Senate despite the state's secession (and then became President upon Lincoln's death).
"Civil" war is an entire subdimension of War. It means not only two sides but anarchy and chaos within a side. There is always a noble contingent within that wants no part of either side but just wants to protect its own turf and peace. The more militant of these in the Civil War were called Bushwhackers, and operated as scouts and snipers against any passing army, whether wearing blue or grey (and that wasn't always clear; sometimes they traveled in disguise). On the other side there were the "Home Guards", locals who operated on behalf of whichever army happened to be in control at the time. This is a whole third dimension, like Star Trek's three-dimensional chess, beyond the binary concept of two-sided war -- this is four sides with two of them frequently changing sides and the other two frequently impersonating the opposite side. When we describe "brother against brother" it's a lot more complex than one brother goes blue and the other goes grey. The War disrupted commerce, railroads, food supplies --- everything.
The Confederacy was by no means at all a united front. It's said that its war "died of states rights" when the Richmond government demanded troops and state governors said no.
>> Greene County [Tennessee] changed hands about forty times during the course of the war. No major battles were fought, but skirmishes and ambushes between the two sides were a regular occurrence. The bands of roving Yankees and Rebels had to live off the land. Consequently, they terrorized the local farm families. << -- The Tree in the Churchyard: A Bicentennial History of Meadow Creek, -pp. 21-22 (emphasis added)
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