The American left wants to replace the love of country with the love of the party

[Smokin' OP]

Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING The Democrats say or do is directly related to the following:

-Shifting power from the individual to the Government
-Dividing the country with Race based "Justice"
-Empowering America's enemies

You forgot Dems gaining power so they can sell out America to line their own pockets.

Right, it's the democrats.

President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 13, 2018

Trump did not mention in that tweet or its follow-ups that on Thursday, the developer of a theme park resort outside of Jakarta had signed a deal to receive as much as $500 million in Chinese government loans, as well as another $500 million from Chinese banks, according to Agence France-Presse. Trump’s family business, the Trump Organization, has a deal to license the Trump name to the resort, which includes a golf course and hotels.

 

[Jets]

The OP premise can apply to either side of the duopoly…

 

[22lcidw]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Franken does not say that they seem to be so much smarter then everybody else. They are intellectuals to the rabble that actually move the country in a positive direction. In the end Frankel and the rest involved get millions killed. Even tens of millions. We are surviving on the whims of the federal reserve and the printing press at this moment.

 

[NoNukes]

That is why they reject the constitution and the American flag. They want the American people to reject traditional America and, instead, embrace the party. They're fascist that way. Everything is about and for the party.

See my signature. That is exactly the position of the Democratic Party and its loyal servants. Why does the party support massive illegal immigration? It serves the interests of the party. Why doesn't the party work to reduce the murder rate in Democratic ghettos? Well, to do so would benefit the people, but it would be counterproductive to the interests of the party. Therefore, they ignore the plight of black America.

Why did the party media stop reporting on issues (real or alleged) at migrant facilities? Why hasn't AOC spoken out? It's simple. Complaining about migrant treatment served the interests of the party when Trump was in office. Obviously, when Biden came into power, complaining would be counterproductive to the interests of the party, regardless of how much suffering and mistreatment taking place.

Love the party and hate the country. That's what it's all about for the American left.

Is that why the right has turned into a cult? You have some nerve.

 

[NoNukes]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

They do not. You are just making things up. People like you mistake jingoism for patriotism.

 

[NoNukes]

The American left wants to replace the love of country with the love of the party

This is a lie.

Lies are about all that they have. They realize how bad they look and try to deflect it onto the left. And they are the only ones who believe it.

 

[initforme]

Whenever one side throws up the love of country bit the thread loses validity. I truly don't believe either party loves the country all that much.

 

[Mac1958]

Whenever one side throws up the love of country bit the thread loses validity. I truly don't believe either party loves the country all that much.

The problem (to me, anyway) is that there is a disconnect between We The People are our elected "representatives".

We operate under entirely different priorities. Theirs is pleasing the base, fundraising and getting re-elected.

That doesn't change unless and until we change the system under which they operate. Not holding my breath on that.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

They don't want to replace it, they already did.
As soon as the older Dems die off... all that is left is the converted

 

[Dragonlady]

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If the only way you can state mostly deeply held beliefs on complex issues is a bad meme, you might be a Republican.

The two things aren't even remotely similar, but I understand that expressing complex ideas is completely beyond you.

 

[HappyJoy]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Franken does not say that they seem to be so much smarter then everybody else. They are intellectuals to the rabble that actually move the country in a positive direction. In the end Frankel and the rest involved get millions killed. Even tens of millions. We are surviving on the whims of the federal reserve and the printing press at this moment.

Right, totally lucid statement.

 

[HappyJoy]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Yea, that's why leftists burn the flag and other leftists remain mute.

You guys don't care about America or even average Americans as evidenced by the staggering murder rates in Democratic communities.

As others have said in the past, the American flag is just a piece of cloth. I'd rather live in a country where it were legal to burn it then not even as I would never do that myself.

States with the highest homicide rates:

1. Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
2. Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
3. Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
4. Maryland (9 per 100,000 people)
5. Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
6. Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
7. Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
8. Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
9. Illinois (7.8 per 100,000 people)
10. South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)

Crime Rate by State 2024

Where is California? Where is New York and Massachusetts?

Now, if you want to talk about cities then you also need to remember that those cities are the economy and without them red states would be even more poor as fuck.

...

But such attacks are devoid of nuance about crime in America. Moreover, they conveniently ignore that Democratic-voting areas fuel a whopping two-thirds of the American economy. Republican-led parts of the United States, on the other hand, are remarkably unproductive.

The economic divergence between red and blue states is staggering — and growing rapidly. While income and education levels are increasing at a swift rate in Democratic areas, they are stagnant or declining in red states, which is a recipe for disaster.

Indeed, studies have linked dire economic conditions in GOP-voting districts to extreme political polarization (See: Trump, election of).

Far worse, an epidemic of opioid and alcohol-fueled suicides is killing Trump’s white, blue-collar base at a staggering rate.

Republicans attacking “Democrat-run cities” also seem to forget that billions of dollars from economically dynamic blue states keep many Republican-voting states afloat. In light of this red state socialism, conservatives may want to reconsider biting the hand that feeds them.

Moreover, even a cursory analysis of crime in America roundly debunks Trump and his allies’ claims that Democratic policies fuel violence.

First and foremost, crime rates dropped at a remarkable rate under President Bill Clinton.

Six years into Barack Obama’s presidency, violent crime reached a two-decade low.

Crime is also highly concentrated. A study of large U.S. cities found that 5 percent of city streets account for a whopping 50 percent of criminal activity.

Democratic voters surely inhabit far more than the small sliver of neighborhoods where an outsize proportion of violent crime occurs, deflating GOP attempts to link crime to Democratic policies.

Indeed, racial, cultural and socioeconomic factors, such as extreme inequality (which Republican policies have super-charged), are far more likely to fuel violent crime than any others.

With crime rates hovering around historic lows, Trump’s vision of violence-wracked “Democrat-run cities” simply does not align with reality.

Moreover, the Department of Homeland Security found that the vast majority of the rioting and looting that followed the police killing of George Floyd was perpetrated by criminal opportunists.

The government’s findings undercut Trump’s relentless attempts to pin the blame on organized left-wing extremist groups. Worse yet, right-wing provocateurs incited the violence at some protests around the country.

To be sure, left-wing rioters and looters mounted a sustained assault on two federal buildings in Portland, Ore. But the corrosive nature of social media and its echo chambers allowed Republicans to paint a few dozen violent extremists and anarchists as a far greater menace to society than they truly are.

Indeed, the president’s own FBI director made clear that “antifa” is more of an ideology than a coherent, organized group.

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I don't got time for your dumbass self.

 

[Dragonlady]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Yea, that's why leftists burn the flag and other leftists remain mute.

You guys don't care about America or even average Americans as evidenced by the staggering murder rates in Democratic communities.

You post like a petulant toddler. I don't read ANY love of country in your post. Just hatred towards other Democrats or anyone who doesn't support your idea of "traditional American values", whatever those might be.

If by "traditional American values", you're talking about suppression of racial minorities, which has been going on since 1619, and the wanton murder or mistreatment of slaves, the genocide and marginalization of Native Americans, the voter suppression of the Jim Crow era, segregation, or the grand Republican tradition of crashing the economy, and impoverishing working Americans every few years?

If by "traditional American values" you mean the misogynistic and paternalistic attitude that the Church or the state, can force a woman to have a baby she cannot afford to care for or raise, and that a woman has some sort of moral obligation to do so, or that women should not be considered to be "equal" to men under the law.

Is having to live up to the "traditional American value" that state:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

How do the current Republican policies which have imprisoned more of its citizens than China and Russia combined, stand up to the notion "establishing Justice", or "ensuring domestic tranquility"? You have a police state that is neither "just" or "tranquil". It has lead to the oppressed racial minorities to take to the streets and disrupt domestic tranquility".

How can you secure the "blessings of Liberty" when the police can pull you over for no reason, and beat you, or even kill you, with impunity?

So tell us please, just what "traditional American values" you cherish so much that Democrats are out to destroy.

 

[Dragonlady]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Franken does not say that they seem to be so much smarter then everybody else. They are intellectuals to the rabble that actually move the country in a positive direction. In the end Frankel and the rest involved get millions killed. Even tens of millions. We are surviving on the whims of the federal reserve and the printing press at this moment.

In the end, the recent Democratic Presidents have started no wars, and have resisting getting involved in foreign wars. The last Democrat to get the USA involved in a foreign war was Truman - in South Korea. Roosevelt was very isolationist and refused to do anything other than act as a supplier to the Europeans fighting Hitler.

6 million died between 1941 and 1945, BECAUSE of Roosevelt's refusal to get involved in WWII until 1944. The Holocaust would have been prevented if Hitler had been stopped before 1941. Truman also participated in all of the post-WWII shenanigans in Iran, and the Middle East that lead to the situation we have today.

Republicans frequently focus on the millions who have died under "violent leftists", but the extremes of authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum, can only maintain power through the violent repression of all opposition. This is equally as true of authoritarians on the right as the left.

The Armenian Genocide is a prime example of right wing authoritarianism and violence against racial or religious minorities so frequent in right wing dictatorships. The systemic suppression of all leftist protest in South America in the 1970's. After Pinochet's overthrow of the democratically elected leftist President, leftist leaders, lawyers, and university professors were rounded up and shot. In Argentina, 30,000 leftist leaders were "disappeared". The same thing happened for 20 years in Brazil where the right wing military dictatorship brutally suppressed all opposition until all of South America rose up to throw out the right wing dictatorships.

American conservatives have all of these talking points about the brutality of leftist dictators, while completely ignoring the equally violent and brutal behaviour of right wing extremists, which also include mass murder, genocide, and the violent suppression of all opposition. The problem with Republicans is that they can tell you about the horrors of left wing extremism, while completely ignoring the horrors of right wing extremism, which are both sides of the same authoritarian belief that the other side must be destroyed.

Instead of spouting hate and right wing talking points about Democrats to provide cover for the dangers that the Republican Party's current aggressive push to overthrown the legal election of President Biden because of the "dangers" of a "socialist agenda", while the Republicans have violently and aggressively attempted to suppress all demonstrations and opposition to the white supremacist Trump agenda, right up to and including and attempted coup to keep the ousted President in power.

Republicans are continuing to take the USA down the same dangerous path they took South America down in the 1970's. The current mess and second world status of what passes for democracy in South America is entirely the result of the USA violent anti-communist campaigns of the 1970's. Democratically elected governments were overthrown by military coups backed by the CIA, and right wing dictators installed.

"Better dead than Red" was the American rallying cry, and right wing dictators around the world took it to heart, violently maintaining power by torture and murder of left wing leaders. The Chilean Soccer field mass murder, the Disappeared in Argentina, the violent right wing dictatorship in Brazil.

Marcos in the Phillipines. Pinochet in Chile, Erdogan in Turkey, the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Khadafi, the Saudi's, Central America. The USA has supported right wing brutality and murder throughout the world, and now they pretend that only the left is violent.

You clowns need to start reading about your history instead of believing the lies Republicans tell you.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

That is why they reject the constitution and the American flag. They want the American people to reject traditional America and, instead, embrace the party. They're fascist that way. Everything is about and for the party.

See my signature. That is exactly the position of the Democratic Party and its loyal servants. Why does the party support massive illegal immigration? It serves the interests of the party. Why doesn't the party work to reduce the murder rate in Democratic ghettos? Well, to do so would benefit the people, but it would be counterproductive to the interests of the party. Therefore, they ignore the plight of black America.

Why did the party media stop reporting on issues (real or alleged) at migrant facilities? Why hasn't AOC spoken out? It's simple. Complaining about migrant treatment served the interests of the party when Trump was in office. Obviously, when Biden came into power, complaining would be counterproductive to the interests of the party, regardless of how much suffering and mistreatment taking place.

Love the party and hate the country. That's what it's all about for the American left.

Man you got that right.well said.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Franken does not say that they seem to be so much smarter then everybody else. They are intellectuals to the rabble that actually move the country in a positive direction. In the end Frankel and the rest involved get millions killed. Even tens of millions. We are surviving on the whims of the federal reserve and the printing press at this moment.

In the end, the recent Democratic Presidents have started no wars, and have resisting getting involved in foreign wars. The last Democrat to get the USA involved in a foreign war was Truman - in South Korea. Roosevelt was very isolationist and refused to do anything other than act as a supplier to the Europeans fighting Hitler.

6 million died between 1941 and 1945, BECAUSE of Roosevelt's refusal to get involved in WWII until 1944. The Holocaust would have been prevented if Hitler had been stopped before 1941. Truman also participated in all of the post-WWII shenanigans in Iran, and the Middle East that lead to the situation we have today.

Republicans frequently focus on the millions who have died under "violent leftists", but the extremes of authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum, can only maintain power through the violent repression of all opposition. This is equally as true of authoritarians on the right as the left.

The Armenian Genocide is a prime example of right wing authoritarianism and violence against racial or religious minorities so frequent in right wing dictatorships. The systemic suppression of all leftist protest in South America in the 1970's. After Pinochet's overthrow of the democratically elected leftist President, leftist leaders, lawyers, and university professors were rounded up and shot. In Argentina, 30,000 leftist leaders were "disappeared". The same thing happened for 20 years in Brazil where the right wing military dictatorship brutally suppressed all opposition until all of South America rose up to throw out the right wing dictatorships.

American conservatives have all of these talking points about the brutality of leftist dictators, while completely ignoring the equally violent and brutal behaviour of right wing extremists, which also include mass murder, genocide, and the violent suppression of all opposition. The problem with Republicans is that they can tell you about the horrors of left wing extremism, while completely ignoring the horrors of right wing extremism, which are both sides of the same authoritarian belief that the other side must be destroyed.

Instead of spouting hate and right wing talking points about Democrats to provide cover for the dangers that the Republican Party's current aggressive push to overthrown the legal election of President Biden because of the "dangers" of a "socialist agenda", while the Republicans have violently and aggressively attempted to suppress all demonstrations and opposition to the white supremacist Trump agenda, right up to and including and attempted coup to keep the ousted President in power.

Republicans are continuing to take the USA down the same dangerous path they took South America down in the 1970's. The current mess and second world status of what passes for democracy in South America is entirely the result of the USA violent anti-communist campaigns of the 1970's. Democratically elected governments were overthrown by military coups backed by the CIA, and right wing dictators installed.

"Better dead than Red" was the American rallying cry, and right wing dictators around the world took it to heart, violently maintaining power by torture and murder of left wing leaders. The Chilean Soccer field mass murder, the Disappeared in Argentina, the violent right wing dictatorship in Brazil.

Marcos in the Phillipines. Pinochet in Chile, Erdogan in Turkey, the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Khadafi, the Saudi's, Central America. The USA has supported right wing brutality and murder throughout the world, and now they pretend that only the left is violent.

You clowns need to start reading about your history instead of believing the lies Republicans tell you.

Oh my the irony,you are the clown Dragonidiot,you are in no position to call anybody a clown or tell anybody they need to start reading about history when you won’t own up to it that both parties are corrupt and one in the same,and won’t own up to it that obama lied to the America people expanding g his policys and lie all the time that he got America back on track troll.

 

[HappyJoy]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Franken does not say that they seem to be so much smarter then everybody else. They are intellectuals to the rabble that actually move the country in a positive direction. In the end Frankel and the rest involved get millions killed. Even tens of millions. We are surviving on the whims of the federal reserve and the printing press at this moment.

In the end, the recent Democratic Presidents have started no wars, and have resisting getting involved in foreign wars. The last Democrat to get the USA involved in a foreign war was Truman - in South Korea. Roosevelt was very isolationist and refused to do anything other than act as a supplier to the Europeans fighting Hitler.

6 million died between 1941 and 1945, BECAUSE of Roosevelt's refusal to get involved in WWII until 1944. The Holocaust would have been prevented if Hitler had been stopped before 1941. Truman also participated in all of the post-WWII shenanigans in Iran, and the Middle East that lead to the situation we have today.

Republicans frequently focus on the millions who have died under "violent leftists", but the extremes of authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum, can only maintain power through the violent repression of all opposition. This is equally as true of authoritarians on the right as the left.

The Armenian Genocide is a prime example of right wing authoritarianism and violence against racial or religious minorities so frequent in right wing dictatorships. The systemic suppression of all leftist protest in South America in the 1970's. After Pinochet's overthrow of the democratically elected leftist President, leftist leaders, lawyers, and university professors were rounded up and shot. In Argentina, 30,000 leftist leaders were "disappeared". The same thing happened for 20 years in Brazil where the right wing military dictatorship brutally suppressed all opposition until all of South America rose up to throw out the right wing dictatorships.

American conservatives have all of these talking points about the brutality of leftist dictators, while completely ignoring the equally violent and brutal behaviour of right wing extremists, which also include mass murder, genocide, and the violent suppression of all opposition. The problem with Republicans is that they can tell you about the horrors of left wing extremism, while completely ignoring the horrors of right wing extremism, which are both sides of the same authoritarian belief that the other side must be destroyed.

Instead of spouting hate and right wing talking points about Democrats to provide cover for the dangers that the Republican Party's current aggressive push to overthrown the legal election of President Biden because of the "dangers" of a "socialist agenda", while the Republicans have violently and aggressively attempted to suppress all demonstrations and opposition to the white supremacist Trump agenda, right up to and including and attempted coup to keep the ousted President in power.

Republicans are continuing to take the USA down the same dangerous path they took South America down in the 1970's. The current mess and second world status of what passes for democracy in South America is entirely the result of the USA violent anti-communist campaigns of the 1970's. Democratically elected governments were overthrown by military coups backed by the CIA, and right wing dictators installed.

"Better dead than Red" was the American rallying cry, and right wing dictators around the world took it to heart, violently maintaining power by torture and murder of left wing leaders. The Chilean Soccer field mass murder, the Disappeared in Argentina, the violent right wing dictatorship in Brazil.

Marcos in the Phillipines. Pinochet in Chile, Erdogan in Turkey, the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Khadafi, the Saudi's, Central America. The USA has supported right wing brutality and murder throughout the world, and now they pretend that only the left is violent.

You clowns need to start reading about your history instead of believing the lies Republicans tell you.

Oh my the irony,you are the clown Dragonidiot,you are in no position to call anybody a clown or tell anybody they need to start reading about history when you won’t own up to it that both parties are corrupt and one in the same,and won’t own up to it that obama lied to the America people expanding g his policys and lie all the time that he got America back on track troll.

ODS.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

So, if there are people on the left who think that what their party does is the best for the country, then they have "love of country".

If the American left loves America, why then do they hate the American flag?

You're going to have to explain the American flag on my truck then. Two of them actually. But those flags aren't proof of anything. Jesus, you are prone to believe any propaganda, just throw some bunting on it and call someone else a fag and you're sold.

Quote from Al Franken
If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America. ... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.
That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

Yea, that's why leftists burn the flag and other leftists remain mute.

You guys don't care about America or even average Americans as evidenced by the staggering murder rates in Democratic communities.

You post like a petulant toddler. I don't read ANY love of country in your post. Just hatred towards other Democrats or anyone who doesn't support your idea of "traditional American values", whatever those might be.

If by "traditional American values", you're talking about suppression of racial minorities, which has been going on since 1619, and the wanton murder or mistreatment of slaves, the genocide and marginalization of Native Americans, the voter suppression of the Jim Crow era, segregation, or the grand Republican tradition of crashing the economy, and impoverishing working Americans every few years?

If by "traditional American values" you mean the misogynistic and paternalistic attitude that the Church or the state, can force a woman to have a baby she cannot afford to care for or raise, and that a woman has some sort of moral obligation to do so, or that women should not be considered to be "equal" to men under the law.

Is having to live up to the "traditional American value" that state:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

How do the current Republican policies which have imprisoned more of its citizens than China and Russia combined, stand up to the notion "establishing Justice", or "ensuring domestic tranquility"? You have a police state that is neither "just" or "tranquil". It has lead to the oppressed racial minorities to take to the streets and disrupt domestic tranquility".

How can you secure the "blessings of Liberty" when the police can pull you over for no reason, and beat you, or even kill you, with impunity?

So tell us please, just what "traditional American values" you cherish so much that Democrats are out to destroy.

You the stupid fuck you are always blatantly ignore that Trump is not part of the corrupt two party system and blatantly ignore the Democrats are as corrupt as the republicans.

oh that is such irony,you missed biased democrat troll is the last person on the planet to tell someone they need to study up on their history when you are such an idiot you won’t own up to it that the majority of the wars in the country were started mostly by Democrats dumbass. What party started World War One,what party started World War Two.what party started the Korean War.what party started the Vietnam war.

I thought so.dont you ever get tired of showing your political bias towards the dems and ending up with shit on your face in embarrassment here everyday troll?

 

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The OP premise can apply to either side of the duopoly…

True but the differe

The OP premise can apply to either side of the duopoly…

For decades that was true indeed jets but what America hating Langley shills like smoking op and Dragonidiot always ignore is that trump is just like our last great president kennedy,not part of the corrupt two party system,those two dumbass lying shills won’t accept reality thst kennedy is rolling over in his grave now as we speak how corrupt his party has become.kennedy made people proud to be a democrat back then.hence why the CIA killed him fir serving the people instead of the bankers and corporations.something every president from Johnson all the way up to Obama has done.those 2 dumbass morons can’t accept that fact.

for decades that has been true thst it could apply to either side but no so much now because the differerence between the two parties now is the thanks to trump,the gop party has some patriots not part of the corrupt two party system that bush,Romney,graham and murkowski are a part of.the dems they have no patriots,just commies who want to destroy America.

 

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OP attacks Democrats for ....


Dems reply, but, what about Republicans?

And not a nickels worth of difference between ya.

Y'all are insane

That’s mostly true,for decades that was the case.you know me,I have always said both parties are corrupt and one in the same.thst there is no differerence in the two,thst proved true when Obama got elected,he was a clone of Bush,other than their skin color there was not a single thing differerent about Obama than there was in Bush.

Like I just got done saying WillHaftawaite tye differerence now in the two however thst has only been evident in the last couple years is while the GOP party indeed still has corrupt politicians thanks to trump,there are some good republicans in there as well.that can’t be said for the Democrats.There was Dennis Kucenich who was not part of the corrupt two party system but he’s no longer in office anymore.as far as I’m aware,there aren’t any good dems left anymore.that’s not the case in the gop and we have trump to thank fir that. Plus thousands of Americans around the country are fleeing the democrat party in droves,that has never happened in mankind history before.

again this is coming from a guy who has always said both parties are corrupt and one in the same saying this.

the patriotic Americans are seeing Trump is not your normal corrupt Gop or democrat president ,that he is differerent and are going over to the gop party because of him.he is not a globalist as bush,Obama,Clinton,Romney,and Biden all are and they see that. He is not part of the round table group of the good old boys.He is much like our last great president kennedy,that’s why the elite hate him and are running scared trying to put him in prison now,

See Trump ran on the Republican ticket ONLY because the independent never gets elected for not being part of the corrupt two party system.had he thought he had any prayer of being elected as an independent he would have run on thst ticket.

Biased idiots like Dragonidiot,cant get past their bias on the democrats to accept that reality,had Trump been a democrat she would have been raving all about what a great president he was. I mean she lies all the time saying unemployment lowered when Obama git in office.,that’s the proof in the pudding she would love him if he was a dem.

the whole world knows he was ten times worse than trump.political chic is just as bad,she is an embarrassment to trump supporters,she ignores the corruption of bush,that he was a clone of Obama.Had trump been a Democrat she would have hated him,I think we both know that. again she is a total embarrassment to trump supporters,she not only evades facts bush was a clone of Obama butignores as well that Bush even hates Trump.