The American Disgrace: Manipulation, Lies, and Deceit

[TemplarKormac]

Actually, none of those are important or good points.

In my view, both Trump and Biden are too old to serve. We should probably set an upper age limit of 70 for Federal Office.

The thing about getting old just means that you are less good at hiding your character.

Biden is a well meaning guy who speaks badly.

Trump is a racist twatnoodle who suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Or what we used to call "Megalomania" when I was younger.)

You seriously believe this stuff man?

I mean you've mellowed out a little, but man you're still far out there in left field.

Trump is compos mentis. His constitution is not in question. I wonder if Biden would have survived Trump's campaign schedule during the election?

Biden when he was present, was not a "well meaning guy," he and his son peddled power and bullied people. He was a bad man, but even he didn't deserve the kind of treatment he got. He was used and abused.

Trump is far from racist. He's endorsed a number of black candidates for Gubernatorial, Congressional, and Senate races. He appointed Ben Carson as his HHS Sec in his first term.

But I mean, I won't argue about the narcissism, because he is a narcissist, but it doesn't compromise his performance.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You won't stand for what? And who gives a rat's ass how you were raised or care?

Ah, because I was raised not to be a callous individual. I am a Christian, not a sadist.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump was a failure the first time, he'll be a bigger failure this time. Even Republicans are getting sick of his shit.

Kindly prove that, sir.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Except you really don't have a clue.

For those of us whose lives don't consist of living on someone else's couch not having a job, Biden's era was much better than Trump's.

Oh, you hit me with the couch jab. That's cute. 12 years and you can't come up with anything original.

You haven't had a clue since we met. You and IM2 are two of the most bitter people I have ever met in my life. But anyway, back on topic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Except you really don't have a clue.

I'd love for you to demonstrate that, Joe.

Let's go. Chop chop.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If you ever got a real job and were out here instead of on the couch, you'd realize how bad things are right now.

Actually I manage the finances in my family now, and I can't really see a difference. Things are neither worse nor better. But one thing we are not doing is suffering.

But since the focus is on how badly Biden was manipulated and abused in the White House, I'll keep on topic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How did over 13 million get vaccinated before Trump left office is it wasn’t issued yet, Simp?

THE VACCINE WAS FIRST USED IN DECEMBER 2020 AFTER THE ELECTION, DUMBASS!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I do read, it's how I know how illiterate you are about the law.

You cannot explain how any of that could be prosecuted. What evidence do you have?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You cannot explain how any of that could be prosecuted. What evidence do you have?

I did explain, and you accosted me for it, which tells me you were unable to explain it away. It looks like to me you are downplaying what happened in the Biden White House during his presidency.

First, it violates the constitutional order of succession under the 25th Amendment, and it also violates Article II of the Constitution. The 25th Amendment allows the VP to assume power if the President himself is unable to discharge his duties. But that was never invoked in his term.

It also violates 18 USC 912. By assuming his duties and powers as president, his staffers and advisers took on roles they were not constitutionally authorized to take, which violates federal law regarding impersonating a federal officer (assuming duties or authority of other federal officials outside the scope and bounds of their position).

If the president, under 3 USC 301, did not delegate his authority to his staffers and advisers, and the 25th Amendment was never invoked, and given what we know now about him, it is reasonable to assume they took on duties without proper authorization directly from the president. That violates the Constitution and federal law.

Under 18 USC 912, the offenders can be fined or imprisoned for 3 years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 912 - Officer or employee of the United States

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[toobfreak]

Ah, because I was raised not to be a callous individual.

So everyone else here who might not agree with you IS callous?

I am a Christian, not a sadist.

And obviously a fool who would give someone trying to kill you a second chance, confusing survival and justice with 'sadism.' Guess we know why Christianity is rapidly fading out in numbers around the world.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So everyone else here who might not agree with you IS callous?

If you think he deserves his ailments, then yes, you are. Sorry. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you.

If that's how you feel, don't expect anyone to have any mercy or compassion for anyone you support. You can't demand what you won't give.

And obviously a fool who would give someone trying to kill you a second chance

Mercy is not something you're familiar with, is it?

Furthermore, your analogy doesn't fit the context of this discussion. I've read of cases where families forgave someone who murdered a loved one. Are they condoning the murder of their loved one? Are they saying, "Here, kill this one too!"? No, they are letting go of the pain and the anger.

But it's your right to hold on to that bitter hatred. However, like I said, you can't expect anyone to care if someone thinks someone you support deserves the negative things in their life.

confusing survival and justice with 'sadism.' Guess we know why Christianity is rapidly fading out in numbers around the world.

Enjoying the suffering of others is, by definition, a form of sadism. Hate to say it. If that's what or who you are, so be it. Not my place to judge. But I will define what I see.

Christianity doesn't condone that kind of behavior. The Bible says to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. It doesn't say hate them back. Jesus forgave the whore at the temple by condemning the hypocrisy of the Pharisees who sought to stone her for her adultery. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

It's all in the Bible. Go read it if you don't believe me.

As for justice, God says "Vengeance is mine, I will repay." God will punish Biden for his sin in due time. That isn't your place. I'm sorry if that goes against your mainstream Christianity, but God is not malleable, nor does he follow the will of man.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Don't bother with your response. I'm not going to derail this thread and get into the weeds. Condemn what you want to condemn, hate what you want to hate, enjoy what you wish to enjoy. But know we will all stand before God in judgement one day for it.

 

[toobfreak]

If you think he deserves his ailments, then yes, you are.

What about blaming people who don't eat or live the best lives? Do you blame them when they get sick? If a rabid dog runs out in front of a car and gets hit trying to go for your throat, are you going to feel sorry for it, nurse it back to health so it can try again? Where was Joe's mercy and compassion when he was letting the Chinese and Mexicans to import tons of fentanyl across the border even though it was killing nearly 100,000 people a year?

It was never about bitterness nor hatred, but merely a matter of justice.

The man hid his cancer from the public hoping to get reelected so he could then turn the country over to Harris.

 

[DonGlock26]

 

[CowboyTed]

From what I'm hearing from the Hur tapes, from what we saw of Biden during his campaigns and as president, and now his cancer diagnosis...

I can only surmise that anyone who voted for him the first time ignored any issues he was presenting at the time, and was fully willing to overlook those issues even as they became more prominent on the night of June 27th, 2024 to vote for him again, had he not been removed from the campaign.

I am deeply saddened and angered to know that people would act this way, to allow a group of advisers and handlers, and his garbage wife to parade him about as some competent, healthy leader, when in reality he was a demented, Parkonsonian, cancer-stricken old man who deserved to be treated with better care than he was. This was nothing but abuse. It was a North Korean-style misdirection campaign, for which the left fell for quite easily. It was evil, I saw. For that, I chose to vote for Trump. Well, not for Trump, but against everyone who allowed this to happen.

He was manipulated and steered about, a listless man on his own. I am appalled that people would stoop this low to maintain power over our government and over the American people, and I have lost some, if not all, respect for many people who claim to be people of God, upstanding people, who yet were willing to ignore the American disgrace, the utter atrocity unfolding in the White House.

I have lost all faith in humanity. Not after what I've seen. I will hug my grandmother even more now, knowing that I would have never and never will use her that way.

Have you got anyone on a stand swearing it to be true?

I have no problem with an investigation but seriously, it is a book and they wrote stuff that sells books...

There would have been little sales if they wrote, everything was fine....

So get everyone with their hands on bibles before I believe shit...

I mean this for everything... Too many pundits giving opinions and writing books...

Rudi was saying one thing on TV and going into court saying the exact opposite...

We need things to be decided in court not on TV... Trail by Media is a joke at this stage,,

 

[CowboyTed]

Jessie Watters is the biggest profiteer on News Media...

This is pure protectionism, accuse someone of the exact thing you are doing...

 

[JoeB131]

You seriously believe this stuff man?

I mean you've mellowed out a little, but man you're still far out there in left field.

Trump is compos mentis. His constitution is not in question. I wonder if Biden would have survived Trump's campaign schedule during the election?

Uh, did you see where Trump went on an internet rant about wanting to investigate Bruce Springsteen this weekend? This is a well man by you?

Biden when he was present, was not a "well meaning guy," he and his son peddled power and bullied people. He was a bad man, but even he didn't deserve the kind of treatment he got. He was used and abused.

Sure, he was. He devoted a lifetime to public service. And no, Hunter getting a few million to help Bursima with paperwork was nowhere near Trump taking a 400 Million dollar gift from the Qatari government. (You know, the same government that funds Hamas.)

Trump is far from racist. He's endorsed a number of black candidates for Gubernatorial, Congressional, and Senate races. He appointed Ben Carson as his HHS Sec in his first term.

So he appoints the saddest ass Uncle Tom he could find, or that nutbag in South Carolina who called himself a "Black Nazi". Really?

But I mean, I won't argue about the narcissism, because he is a narcissist, but it doesn't compromise his performance.

Sure, it does. A Narcissist lacks empathy. He only sees the world in how it affects HIM. His handling of Covid is a great example. He called it a hoax. He hated Fauci because Fauci got better polling numbers. He told people to use quack cures, but when he caught it, they rushed through a drug not available to the public to treat him.

Oh, you hit me with the couch jab. That's cute. 12 years and you can't come up with anything original.

Are you still on the couch, or did you get a job?

You haven't had a clue since we met. You and IM2 are two of the most bitter people I have ever met in my life. But anyway, back on topic.

Actually I manage the finances in my family now, and I can't really see a difference. Things are neither worse nor better. But one thing we are not doing is suffering.

Oh, I'm sorry, do you have a job? Punch a clock? Have to get up at 5 AM in the morning to report to a job. Shower on a regular basis?

 

[JoeB131]

What about blaming people who don't eat or live the best lives? Do you blame them when they get sick? If a rabid dog runs out in front of a car and gets hit trying to go for your throat, are you going to feel sorry for it, nurse it back to health so it can try again? Where was Joe's mercy and compassion when he was letting the Chinese and Mexicans to import tons of fentanyl across the border even though it was killing nearly 100,000 people a year?

Most people we've arrested for peddling Fentanyl are Americans, not Mexicans or Chinese.

So let's talk about how big Pharma got millions of people hooked on opioids by handing it out like Halloween candy.

Then you can bitch to me that mostly Americans have filled in the gap producing a substitute in their kitchens.

 

[DonGlock26]

Jessie Watters is the biggest profiteer on News Media...

This is pure protectionism, accuse someone of the exact thing you are doing...

Did you buy Tapper's new book yet?

 

[DonGlock26]

'The View' melts down over latest Biden book, slams CNN for 'hawking' it

"The View" co-hosts clashed over revelations in the latest book on the cover-up of former President Biden's decline in office and some even slammed its co-author, CNN's Jake Tapper.

www.foxnews.com